Good day

 

Just a Fast Question , If i wanted to Land the MD-11 on a runway that is 6000ft + first of all can the md-11 do it ? and here is where i should use flap 50 ?

 

I know i have landed the MD-11 on a 8800ft runway and it was a little scary stopping at the end of the runway with MAX auto-brakes  But maybe because i was a Little to heavy

 

I would Like to know what Flap setting i should use for Landing and Departing on small runways

 

Thank you

A 8800 ft runway should be long enough for a MD-11 easily. With autobrakes on medium you should be able to stop well within the given distance.

6000 ft is a little bit short, but with flaps 50, max autobrake and a good landing technique you should be able to get a full (~210 to 220 tons) MD-11 down.

Of course this all depends on weather, runway condition...

Exactly, also the question is can you get the aircraft out again, your take off weight will be extremely limited.

If your approach speed is spot on and your not overloaded you should be able to pull it off.

You will have to take off light and refuel at a larger airport.

If your approach speed is spot on and your not overloaded you should be able to pull it off.

You will have to take off light and refuel at a larger airport.

 

That's also the way KLM land's on TNCM. I think they're using Flap 50 with high autobrake values. For the flight back, they take off light and refuel somewhere else I didn't remind.

 

Also as I said TNCM: every plane takes off with full thrust - no derate and no flex. That's because of the obstacles.

Thanks to all I did manage , It was 6800 ft but i did it with 35 flaps , i was very very Light

 

Just wondering   You are saying that TNCM takes off full thrust with no flex ,, so this means if i leave the flex as 0 this will give me full power on take off ??

 

I would Like to know because i always pretty much use 30 for flex

 

thank you

al

 

yes leave it blank and you get full thrut

 

Get yourself TOPCAT and it will give you the correct flex/flap/packs setting for your runway.

 

Peter

If you enter 0 you have the thrust like when temp is 0 degree. Leave it blank instead!

 

Althrough TOPCAT can calculate flex thrust for TNCM in reality it is not used (I know it from KLM) because of the dangerous procedure turn right after liftoff and obstacles (trees) down Rnw10. Not sure what's if they takeoff at 28 or if this Rnw is used for taking off at all. Here's a pretty nice video. Note what the captain is saying  

If you enter 0 you have the thrust like when temp is 0 degree. Leave it blank instead!

 

Althrough TOPCAT can calculate flex thrust for TNCM in reality it is not used (I know it from KLM) because of the dangerous procedure turn right after liftoff and obstacles (trees) down Rnw10. Not sure what's if they takeoff at 28 or if this Rnw is used for taking off at all. Here's a pretty nice video. Note what the captain is saying  

Very nice video you found. "Enjoy the Ferrari view" - the Captain was right as his MD11 was not carrying much fuel for its 15 min flight over to Bonaire. Does anyone of you know if there are carriers existing that fly out from TNCM directly to Europe? Whatever that clip made me once more want to go to St. Maarten... :rolleyes:

 

Alex

By the way is there a checklist existing wich tells me when using Autobrake min, med, or max?

 

Till now I was always ok with minimum, also at Landing weight that was over the maximum Landing weight my FMC calculated. On the handbook of the iFly 737 I read that med is used on wet runways and max is very rarely in use - what about the MD-11? The shortest rwy I landed was about 8600 feet - I had stopped just at the end of the rwy using Autobrake min.

TOPCAT will give you everything you need to plan your stopping distance

I think it depends... If you have high autobrake option you could use med or even min. If you haven't this option you should use high/max (doesn't remember correct reading on MD11 right now). Also you should note, TNCM is a very busy airport and you have to clear the runway ASAP. So it may be that you use max braking just to get the last taxiway out without rolling to end of runway. If I may recommend another great video (he's flying tncm but with the 737) where some procedures are explained clearly:

(you can watch from 0:45:00 onwards so you get the app).

 

He's using Flap40 and Autobrake 3 (1 setting before max). On 737 I think (not sure about that) max autobrake setting is MAX brake force (like when you manually stay on the pedals and try press them through the nose) where the MD11 max setting does not mean max braking force but max autobrake setting (so on MD11 you can get more braking action when manual braking).

Thank you for the Video this guy is good

 

But i must say that the 737 will stop faster then the MD-11 i have both  but for now i am only flying the MD-11

 

and i did manage to land on the 6800ft rwy  i figured if i get there with almost empty tanks and no cargo  it should work  ,,,    and it did

 

thank you happy Landing

Yes you can get the MD11 down and up from 6000 feet of runway, only thing is, your flaps and weight will be key factors.

For the fun of it, I did plant the MD-11 on a 3000 feet runway with pretty much minimum fuel load and just a container in the front to have a workable CG.

But to do that, it was flap 50, insane floating tendencies, even with the engines at idle and planting the wheels at the beginning of the runway rather than the touchdown zone.

Getting out of there is another story though and kinda forces you to improvize with landing flaps for takeoff and very minimalistic fuel load, so it can be done.