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I built a 4770K Haswell / GTX 770 system for a friend yesterday

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Just wanted to post my initial impressions of the new stuff.

 

Friend is not a flight simmer but he's gonna let me come back over with FSX and our NGX and 777 this weekend to try it.

 

Specs of the machine we built:

 

Case: CoolerMaster HAF 922

Motherboard: Asus Z87-A

CPU: Intel Core i7 4770K Haswell

CPU Cooler - CoolerMaster Hyper 212 Evo

RAM: 16GB G.Skill Ripjaws X DDR3-1600 (2 x 8GB)

GPU: EVGA GTX 770 2GB

SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB

Mass Storage HDD: Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB SATA

Optical drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST SATA

WiFi card: Asus PCE-N15

OS: Windows 7 Pro x64

Total cost in parts was around $1600 from Newegg.

 

- Physical build went well - bit of advice if you get this mobo: attach the SATA cables to the mobo *before* installing the GPU - they sit right below it and it's a pain to do it once the card is in. Watch the gold heatsinks over the MOSFETs surrounding the CPU socket too - they're very easy to knock loose.

 

- This was my first experience with the new graphical UEFI BIOS thing and it took me a bit to understand it and become comfortable with it compared to the older DOS-like BIOS interfaces. I inadvertently set it to automatically OC the CPU at first and that resulted in some BSODs while trying to install Windows 7 from a USB stick. Figured it out and got it down to stock speeds and everything was solid after that. I suspec the CPU voltage was too low for the speeds it was trying to auto OC to. We didn't attempt any manual overclocking yet - I wanted to read up a bit more on how people are doing this on this platform and what's most successful first before really attempting it.

 

- The GTX 770 is a beast of a GPU. We ran some high end benchmark stuff like Uniengine Valley on it and it was scoring in the high 40 FPS range at 1080p even on the totally maxed out "Extreme HD" setting with the super high AA levels and stuff. Bringing AA down to a reasonable level easily had it over 60 FPS and basically looking just as good. My friend is primarily a strategy gamer and the card completely tore through stuff like the new SimCity game (which looks very cool and unique graphically by the way), StarCraft II Heart of the Swarm and Civilzation V. This is probably going to be my next GPU later this summer.

 

- The Samsung 840 Pro is a great SSD - extremely fast on a board like this that has the native SATA III 6.0 Gbps controller. The system boots in less than 5 seconds from the time the Windows splash animation starts following the POST.

I'll post back with my FSX findings once I get a chance to run it over there. (I'm planning to duplicate my own configuration as far as addons etc so that it's a valid comparison to my current machine) I also want to run a few of the CPU benchmarks that sites like HardOCP and Anand run - I'm very curious to see how this scores compared to a higher clocked Sandy Bridge or Ivy Bridge. That'll give us a pretty good idea of which route is best for FSX right now. I'm kinda suspecting the Sandy Bridge or Ivy Bridge pushed into the 4.8 GHz range probably beats it even if you can get it up to 4.5 or so.

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C'mon, Ryan, that's torture:

 

Just wanted to post my initial impressions of the new stuff.

 

Friend is not a flight simmer but he's gonna let me come back over with FSX and our NGX and 777 this weekend to try it.

 

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Just wanted to post my initial impressions of the new stuff.

 

Thanks for doing this Ryan... (obviously) many here will like to hear your assessment of how well FSX runs and oc-ability.

 

I have a pair of 830s (840s hadn't been released)... aren't they great?  Just amazing how quick for Windows install.  And the reboot... a restart and I am back in Windows before my older system (skulltrail) even starts to POST.

 

That price is fantastic too... same same for just one cpu for that skulltrail (QX9775).   :fool:

 

I really like how you can update the bios with just a usb key and the push of a button.

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My PC boots up from a cold and dark state to Windows in less than 20 seconds. Would never go back to a spinner drive. thanks for posting your initial impressions. I'll be very interested in the overclockability of that chip. Please share in future posts. Regards.

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Looking forward to hearing your results. I have been holding off on a PC upgrade waiting for the Haswell chip. I would also like to hear reports from others before I make the leap. I have a very good system now but would like to make the move plus get a larger SSD. Hope all is well Ryan.

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Unfortunately I didn't get the chance to go back over there to run FSX yet.

 

I did do a bunch of reading though and I found a guy who's been running identical CPU benchmarks at one of the overclocking forums using SB, IB, and Haswell at different overclocks.

 

His conclusion is basically this:

 

4770K @ 4.5 = 3770K @ 4.8 = 2700K @ 5.0

He got nearly identical scores in standard CPU benchmarks the review sites use like Cinebench when testing with those CPUs at those frequencies. Combine that with the HardOCP review that says approximately 70% of the 4770Ks can hit 4.5 stable out of the box with good cooling (ie no deliding) and it sort of seems like Haswell might be ok here for FSX. I still would like to see actual results though from FSX.

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I think I've been reading up on that same guys benchmarks Ryan.

 

Quite a few others indicating the same things too. I think with this Haswell gen it's more the Motherboard features generating sales, i.e. more native Sata 6GB's ports. That's what I'm after for my build.

 

Ideally I'd like to run Ram at 2400Mhz though. From what I'm reading that may be difficult when overclocking.

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Very nice. I'm at 4.3 GHz currently with my i7 4770K, but I will try for higher later. 4.3 GHz was completely effortless - just bump the voltage to 1.2V, set the multiplier and you're good to go. I've just run Aida64 stress test overnight and it was stable - temps were jumping between 60 and 65C.

 

With a Carenado plane, at OrbX Anacortes with all options checked and Autogen at Extremely Dense, I'm getting 21-25 FPS, vs ~8 FPS on my old Phenom II X4 @ 3.7 GHz. Even if I don't overclock further, I'm very happy with those results. An additional 200 MHz would only give me about 1 FPS anyway.

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Wow yeah, going to a 4770K from a Phenom II is going to be ridiculous. Congrats on the new machine!

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My PC boots up from a cold and dark state to Windows in less than 20 seconds. Would never go back to a spinner drive. thanks for posting your initial impressions. I'll be very interested in the overclockability of that chip. Please share in future posts. Regards.

 

I have a gigabyte GA-Z77X-UD3H LGA 1155 Intel Z77

 

It has some intel IRT tech on it that will use a SSD drive ( up to 60GB ) as a cache for your spinning drive.

 

Power on to fully booted in 42 seconds ( win 7 64 bit on 1TB WD Black 7200RPM )

not too shabby for a spinner ...

 

at any rate it was a pretty cheap way to increase performance without the $$$ for a large SSD drive.

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With a Carenado plane, at OrbX Anacortes with all options checked and Autogen at Extremely Dense, I'm getting 21-25 FPS

 

Only 21-25 fps. My expectation from the newest most powerful CPUs were higher. And a Carenado plane isn't hard on fps. Did you have everything maxed out in FSX ? I had hoped for demanding planes like PMDG NGX 737 to stay stable 30 fps.

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I did do a bunch of reading though and I found a guy who's been running identical CPU benchmarks at one of the overclocking forums using SB, IB, and Haswell at different overclocks.

 

 

Ryan, I would like to read through this, will you post a link to this guy's thread.

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I always use the most severe scenario I can think of when assessing hardware performance in FSX. I'll fly an approach into KJFK using the PMDG NGX with Aerosoft Manhattan scenery and REX weather tweaked up for good measure. My rig will dip into the high teens for a bit but usually stays around 22-25 FPS in that scenario, still perfectly flyable. Properly tweaking the config file and the NVIDIA graphics settings is the key IMO. Going from the native 3.9 GHZ to 4.5 was a sizable improvement during my testing. A 4-5 FPS gain may not sound like much to many people but in the above scenario it makes the difference between a smooth sim and stutters.

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jfri, on 10 Jun 2013 - 4:48 PM, said:

Only 21-25 fps. My expectation from the newest most powerful CPUs were higher. And a Carenado plane isn't hard on fps. Did you have everything maxed out in FSX ? I had hoped for demanding planes like PMDG NGX 737 to stay stable 30 fps.

Yeah, everything maxed - every box checked in the OrbX control panel, Autogen and Scenery Complexity at Extremely Dense, AI traffic at 100% (with the FTX NA AI package). I also have all the other OrbX airports for the region installed and maxed out and also REX installed with 4096 textures.

 

Keep in mind that my old Phenom II @ 3.7 GHz was getting ~8 - 10 FPS, with quite a few settings turned down (but still relatively high settings). So it's an improvement of about 3X, with the Intel CPU. OrbX Anacortes is one of the absolute worst for me with regards to FPS. Mostly everywhere else, it's a constant 30 FPS (locked). I was expecting a doubling of the FPS or similar, so I'm very impressed.

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Ryan,

 

You get a chance to do any comparisons yet?

 

Sorry, I haven't yet unfortunately. Maybe next week.

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I have a feeling that come the fall I am going to build a delided 3770K subzero based system over the same with the 4770k but I would like to see more results first.

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I have a friend who built a GTX660/4770K system last week. 

 

He overclocked his CPU to 4.6GHZ and screen shared with FSX for me. Overall, seems to be about 20-30% better performance than my current SB system clock for clock. 

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I have a feeling that come the fall I am going to build a delided 3770K subzero based system over the same with the 4770k but I would like to see more results first.

Delidded subzero 3770k is what i run today, done the first tests with haswell 4770k on

air its much more tricky to tune this beast not as easy to gverclock like SandyB.

After i tuned the mems and learned the system its time for the SS.

Its seems Very promising think this gone give me the 10% gain over My 3770k delidded

That a want.

 

It was the same discussion last year SB vs IB , now its time for SB and IB vs Haswell,

The guys that ar most loud of how bad the haswell or IB performs ( overclock ) have

Not try them only read on differnt forums how bad they OC .

I have a friend who built a GTX660/4770K system last week. 

 

He overclocked his CPU to 4.6GHZ and screen shared with FSX for me. Overall, seems to be about 20-30% better performance than my current SB system clock for clock.

 

+1

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Not try them only read on differnt forums how bad they OC .

 

+1

 

Way too much (as if any is ok) of that goes on here at AVSIM... people regurgitate what they see on another forum or site and use that as if they are speaking from some position of experience or authority.

 

Hasse... I think I can safely say many of us sincerely appreciate you sharing your experience and findings (results) with us.  Thanks.

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The guys that ar most loud of how bad the haswell or IB performs ( overclock ) have
Not try them only read on differnt forums how bad they OC .

 

+1

 

From what I saw from my friend, Haswell seems to overclock fairly well.

 

If you want to go above 4.3-4.5, it is recommended to find a decent closed loop watercooler. There is now a plethora of available ones so finding a fairly priced option shouldn't be too difficult. 

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Just got myself a new system as well, with an i5 4670K... First couple of days ran stock, today I simply tried the Auto OC function of the motherboard and voila.... 4,4GHz without me doing much of anything. Seems stable so far as well, temps max out at 70C on a Corsair H100i (in Quiet Mode) and I've yet to tune the voltage... can probably be a bit lower. No direct comparisons for me, since I previously only used an IB 3720QM in an Alienware laptop and I don't have my full FSX set up yet.

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If you want to go above 4.3-4.5, it is recommended to find a decent closed loop watercooler. There is now a plethora of available ones so finding a fairly priced option shouldn't be too difficult.

 

I have put my old H100 , not the chiller .

Begin tune the system @4.6 low vcore  the trick is the memspeed and that you have a good mobo.

have done one FSMark full pass @4.6 mem 2600 10 12 12 27 1T it blow the pants of the 3770K @4.8 .and my 2700K @+5.2

 

AVG 53.2 fps  only the beginning the run was with my spare 680 and the best Mobo for Bucks Gigabyte Z87X-OC

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I have until black Friday and cyber Monday to decide. You guys might be being a bit hard on those who are skeptical because of the negative reviews of the Haswell. We are not all OC guru's and there is usually no smoke without fire. Having said that, it seem there is enthusiasm here for 4770k and it would be great if you guys on the bleeding edge would let your finding trickle down. I for one am well over due a new build and I am looking to kill FSX once and for all with the next one. I live in a freezer for the 4 to 5 months of the year that FSX is front and center and will take advantage of that to cool my PC. I have had my i7 920 at 4.8 ghz in my garage at -15 degrees and FSX in the NGX over ORBX and under REX was great. The question for me is doing the same with 3rd or 4th gen Intel will be great either way. I am sure I will get 5 GHz plus with a 3770k. And I can do that with all used parts form eBay etc. My concern with the 4770k is that I have to buy new and I might have memory timing problems with the later! It's a question of opportunity cost.

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