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What do you think? Will any company ever make a FS that will rival M$FS?WOW. Wouldn't that be neat.JimCYWG

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I vividly recall there was a fellow on this forum who claimed he was going against MSFS with a competitive product. He was gathering his team, asking for general advice. He got ton of advice, folks were wishing him good luck, etc. He sounded 100% committed in delivering a much better flight simulation product in the same price range as MSFS. At least 2 years must have elapsed and we never heard from him again.Michael J.WinXP-Home SP2,AMD64 3500+,Abit AV8,Radeon X800Pro,36GB Raptor,1GB PC3200,Audigy 2, Omega 2.7.90 (4xAA 16xAF)

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"Will any company ever make a FS that will rival M$FS?"Maybe, you never know :-cool Regards,Stratobat

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There is always X-Plane, as far as flight physics go I think it has FS beat.. But, graphically it doesn't really compare. I am happy with MS, they always deliver a fantastic product.. I remember the early days of Fly( was a good product,but had a lot of problems, or the old Sublogic titles for that matter.. Pro Pilot, eeew!In a way I am not looking forward to another MSFS title, Way too many addons for the current and they are always a pain to make work in the new..

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>>In a way I am not looking forward to another MSFS title, Way>too many addons for the current and they are always a pain to>make work in the new..Hehe, you say that now, but wait until the previews come out. ;-) I agree that FS9 is a great sim, and I love the add-ons I have or will have soon. I just know that I thought 2002 was pretty neat, then all this GPS, enhanced weather, and other new things with beautiful pictures had me excited like a kid before Christmas, LOL. I guess it'll depend on what they add to it. 2000 to 2002 didn't seem to offer anything new that I recall (I started with 2002 but had played with 2000). Either way, I'll buy it, but FS9 will be on my computer for a long time no matter what.

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I really hope the successor to FS2004 is a really *new* sim. I say that because in my opinion FS98--->FS2004 has felt like a series of upgrades. Im not dissin the hard work put in by MS but I really wish they had modernized *all* of the sim instead of just a bit of it. For example the sky & clouds in FS2004 look fantastic - but apart from autogen sprouting rectangular blocks and trees the landscape *still* feels and looks like FS2000. And they *still* used the old 737-400. I wouldnt have minded paying more for the sim if they had thrown in some Airbuses or a NG737 with solid panels. We see so many brilliant freeware & payware planes out there from PMDG, Open Sky, MelJet, Project Fokker & Simtech...I hope MS is taking notice and puts airplanes like that in FS2006 or whatever.And I hope they ditch the awful-looking bitmapped paintjobs and use GMAX like I see in all the freeware planes....whoaaaa doesnt the Open Sky A340 look sweeet!Ok Im done http://smilies.jeeptalk.org/contrib/lynx/bluetongue.gif

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>I really hope the successor to FS2004 is a really *new* sim.I don't. Rewriting from scratch has the effect of wiping out all the little tweaks that 'lubricates' any mature program. It'll take many years to make the first version, and then a couple of versions to iron out bugs and add polish - look at Fly!, it would probably have taken a Fly!3 to make it into the product that it was meant to be in the first place. Also old addons will probably not work anymore and addon developers would have to learn a whole new system. -

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The last team that tried it was the TRI Fly! team... they did not survive commercially and their two releases put their users through a roller coaster ride of patches.. but at the same time, they introduced better systems, graphics, ATC, and better scenery. Microsoft certainly paid attention and took many ideas from the Fly! title and included them in their next releases.Every time a new team emerges, they raise the bar, and everyone gains!I personally think that Microsoft has done a great job of taking the original Sublogic package and upgrading it again and again to the level it is at today! It may not be perfect, but with add-on mesh scenery and add-on airplanes it sure is a joy to fly!! I, for one, cannot wait to see what FS10 may have to offer... if the past is a guide, it will be a headache for a while as we sort out which add-ons work, and which ones do not, but after that it will likely replace FS9 on all of our harddrives!

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Well X-plane do in many ways surpass FS 2004 while in others being way behind.But really there is combat flight sims that is much much better than FS 2004 so I think they will instead of just patch their old versions try finding something new to make it better.What they definiatly need is a totally revamped graphics and flight physics engine.

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Well I dont know...with advances in computing power I think the possibilities are limitless.I mean...look at the FPS genre...new titles being cranked out all the time with ever-increasing graphics sophistication and artificial intelligence.I know that the development parameters of an FPS and a flight sim must be very different so you probably coundnt compare them anyway - but Im just noting the fact that Im playing games like Far Cry & Splinter Cell and the mind-blowing landscapes, vehicle animations & AI make me wonder why I dont see that sort of thing in MSFS.I agree with Oyvindhansen when he mentions that a new prog will wipe out all the tweaks but if MSFS decide not to pursue a brand new sim then I really hope they do some sorting out :)Because I dont want to buy FS10 with the same old planes, dodgy bitmapped fuselages, tired terrain & water tiles!The Fly! team did a commendable job...their panels and graphics were wicked.I aint bashing FS2004, I play it for hours and hours on the weekends and I never get bored. But as customers who throw our hard-earned money at giants like Microsoft we should indulge in constructive criticism.:)

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One day maybe there'll be a compeditor to MSFS again. The late 90's and early 00's were a "golden age" for civilian flightsims - we had Pro Pilot, Fly, Flight Unlimited and X-Plane...now we only have X-Plane.I think it was thanks to those sims that MS were forced to do some major upgrades to their sim. I mean, FS2000 was really ages behind Fly or Flight Unlimited which featured better weather, better scenery and real-time AI and ATC. X-Plane is soon comming out in version 8.0 though which is supposed to feature a completely new scenery system.

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I personally would like for FS to take on the way that MS does its OS. Design the sim to allow updates that improve the sim like how they release Service Packs. Then every 4 or 6 years they can release a completely new sim that offers major changes. I'm not saying to provide the updates for free-they would cost normal price, just allow the user to upgrade the sim without starting from new. I would just like to see a root program so that if I buy an addon I will be able to use it for six years or so without having reinstall it or not be able to use it till a patch is released. It could be done its just a matter of taking a new approach to how new release are made.

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I downloaded and tried out the X-Plane trial. Its impressive but the scenery aint hot at all and the panels...well all the jet airliners seem to share a base panel that looks identical so you dont get that "Im in a different airplane" feel that you get with MSFS.What I really liked about it was that you could fly the Space Shuttle re-entry and fly on Mars and all that!But I got bored fast and within 10 miutes of downloading it I uninstalled.For those on here who wanna try the demo be aware it kills the joystick after 6 minutes!

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>I personally would like for FS to take on the way that MS>does its OS. Design the sim to allow updates that improve the>sim like how they release Service Packs. Then every 4 or 6>years they can release a completely new sim that offers major>changes. >Make that 10-15 years. Just take a look how MS OS came to what it is now.16bit MS DOS 198132bit MS NT 1992and we have not seen any thing completely, I mean completely, new from MS ever since.

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>The last team that tried it was the TRI Fly! team... they did>not survive commercially and their two releases put their>users through a roller coaster ride of patches.. but at the>same time, they introduced better systems, graphics, ATC, and>better scenery. Microsoft certainly paid attention and took>many ideas from the Fly! title and included them in their next>releases.>>Every time a new team emerges, they raise the bar, and>everyone gains!>>I personally think that Microsoft has done a great job of>taking the original Sublogic package and upgrading it again>and again to the level it is at today! It may not be perfect,>but with add-on mesh scenery and add-on airplanes it sure is a>joy to fly!! >>I, for one, cannot wait to see what FS10 may have to offer...>if the past is a guide, it will be a headache for a while as>we sort out which add-ons work, and which ones do not, but>after that it will likely replace FS9 on all of our>harddrives!I don't think Fly! was ever known for its "better scenery." To the contrary, while the cockpit modelling was top notch, the Fly! scenery was god-awful. In fact, it was practically non-existent. Outside the 5 "high res" areas, the world looked like it had just been flattened by an atom bomb. The selling point of alternative flight sims has always been the weakness of MS's stock planes. With the advent of top notch realistic addons, this isn't an issue any more. Flight Unlimited tried to sell itself on its realistic weather engine. With the arrival of fsmeteo and activesky, this, too, is not an issue anymore. Fly!Flight UnlimitedSierra Propilot- I owned them all. There was always something in each one of them that made me uninstall them quickly and permanently. ricardo

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>>>> Outside the 5 "high res" areas, the world looked like it had just been flattened by an atom bomb. For that, the high res areas were very good and a model for FS9's San Fransisco and New York... not to mention the fabulous Terrascene add-on that allowed users to construct their own detail scenery... It was not all perfect, I grant you, but I believe MS heard the footsteps and pulled up their socks which is good for all of us!

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Hi, "Look at how these sims render water for example. That is one thing that MS will have no problem whatsoever to achieve in FS 2006 if they have any kind of programming talent :)"Why you did not compare CV sim with CV sim? did you think there is a reason? or only post like this? Did you ever know why all CV sim had problem in the software? FLY tons of bugs and limited scenery graphics, FUIII at the release not flyable at all with full stutter, low fps, with a limited area to fly, x-plane few improvement continue update over update with no dramatic improvement etc.ThanksChris Willis[link:fsw.simflight.com/FSWMenuFsSim.html]Clouds And Addons For MsFs

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Hi, "X-Plane is soon comming out in version 8.0 though which is supposed to feature a completely new scenery system."You can download the beta, it will try to match fs20022004.Fs2006 will have probably better ground scenery and others scenery stuff then fs2004. X-plane will have to improve this again, story continue version over version. ThanksChris Willis[link:fsw.simflight.com/FSWMenuFsSim.html]Clouds And Addons For MsFs

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Hi, "Will any company ever make a FS that will rival M$FS?"To rival with Ms the sim should have, continuous series product released and have 50% better on all area one by one, if the sim will only try to match a product or only some area are better, the product won't have sucess at all with the $million$ cost of the production, it is a big risk to make with the amount of problems will came with it and supports, Extremly and vital important are the commercial and freeware developper that's are working to really have ton's of simer community that's will extend the life of the product the series of the product. It's not like a combat flight simulator with bombs and fire with mission that's user don't care about the rest of the world and don't care about the mesh, landclass, airports data, atc, AI,weather engine, and all the small details that's are important to the CV simmer. Imagine, area with no nav data,no jeppesen data, no airports data, limited stuff such small texture, landlass, mesh, basic few cumulus clouds with no fps hit, this was all the cry users wanted to implement to a CV Sim many years back etc.The 3rd party developper addons and the addon's architecture + $ make the real life for a product, Fly have the most complicated structure to build aircraft addon's, which is a major problems for a sim. See these sim without addons, without easy structure to create addon's and the budjet $ what's will looks; propilot, fly, FUIII, X-plane, Msfs;A good product is for a long terme developpement and not a "right now all in one product" because the sim can sink anytime, get outdated after couple of years and you will have to change your home again and start to 0.Addon's are important to any product, do not think you will see a product perfect without addon's or with addon's. I just came from the EA sport forum Nhl 2005 and the story that's we have seen here is identical, tons tons of complain, some users with statement like this: NHL98 goodNHL99 badnhl2000 goodnhl2001 badnhl2002 goodnhl2003 badnhl2004 goodnhl2005 badI can write many thing like this on others games type from forum statement etc.It remind me similar post attitude that's I have seen here. Nobody use NHL without addon's there is many things that's are not accurate ;) it's the same on many games, forget about the word perfect and bashing or disappointed from any company including Ms without knowing what's are the require of the creationtime and the budjet.ThanksChris Willis[link:fsw.simflight.com/FSWMenuFsSim.html]Clouds And Addons For MsFs

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>Hi,> "But really there is combat flight sims that is much much>better than FS 2004">>>The biggest mistacke comparing combat sim vs cv sim, totally>not the same thing on creation and data.>>>Thanks>Chris Willis>>[link:fsw.simflight.com/FSWMenuFsSim.html]Clouds And Addons>For MsFsNo there is no misstake whatsoever. Look at how much more LOMAC for example renders while still achieving better performance. In term of graphics quality it doesn

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