DF by a country mile and then some.Darren

Well, I don't have the DF plane, but I do have the CS version, and I hate to say this because it is a very visually pleasing package, but I don't ever fly the thing. I find it very, very difficult to fly - no where near the fun and smoothness you get hand flying the PMDG 737, which felt like a good representation of what I felt when i got to drive the UAL 777 simulator in Denver. I love my other DF products so I will likely take the plunge here in a day or two.

Not to cheerlead DreamFleet but they have done a great job. You will find yourself starting flight sim to simply be in awe of this plane. Hell I don't even care for 727s but when a sim represents something so well you cannot help but explore all it's goodies. Did I mention the SOUND package? lol really all should be this good.Best Wishes,[h4]Randy J. Smith[/h4]http://www.rawbw.com/~bdoolin/shinault/southparkcartmad.gif[h3]PMDG 747![/h3]Caution! Not a real pilot, but do play one on TV ;-)ASUS KV8 DLX | AMD 3200 64 | 1 GIG PC 3200 DDR | GIGABYTE 5700 ULTRA | ViewSonic VP192b 19" |

DF hands down. You can *actually* land the DF.

I have a PFC Jetliner yoke with a throttle quad as well and the DF 727 is a pure joy to hand fly. The AP is neat and works well. If you are the type to get to cruise alt and go watch the football game downstairs...forget. The 727 is like a woman...she needs constant attention!

Thanks for all the kind remarks. :-)In reference to a remark above about the 737-300 etc.The 727, with gauges and systems programmed by our Nick Jacobs, is the perfect platform for our in-development 737-200, which Nick is also programming (you'd be surprised of them many similarities between it and the 727). After the -200 comes the 737-300/-400/and -500. By the time those are done, the market will be ready for yet another 737 we have plans to do.Yes, the 727 is definitely a plane for pilots, not programmers. One can really understand what flying a plane is all about when flying her. Anyone can fly a virtual plane using automation and an FMC. You just need to know what buttons to push. The 727 is a different breed; one for those who really CAN fly / navigate an airplane, whether real or virtual.My suggestion: Hand fly her up to cruise, set the AP, then hand fly her down to landing. You'll love it, and will become a better pilot for it.Regards,http://www.dreamfleet2000.com/gfx/images/F...R_FORUM_LOU.jpg

I have both. DF 727 gets my unqualified vote. I've just uninstalled the CaptainSim add-on and chalked that entire ordeal up to experience.Ron Freimuth and the DF team have finally demonstrated what I tried to tell Captain Sim long ago...that the Captain Sim flight dynamics are simply awful. At long last there's a benchmark that unmistakeably proves that point. Everything from climb performance, to fuel burns, to flight characteristics is heads-and-shoulders above the poor CS FDEs. A simple side-by-side comparison of the two sims' performance with real world tech data proves the point.DF727---every panel is readable and useable. With the CS panel you need tool tips and possibly a scanning electron microscope to tell you what many of the gauges and switches are. The labels on the gauges and switches may just as well be written in braille. The DF panel has no utterly unuseable sideways-aspect views of panels that render nearly everything unreadable as in the CS add-on.EPR gauges in DF727 actually work, definitively refuting the CS claim (lame excuse) that correct EPR indications are not possible in MSFS.Fuel flow gauges in DF accurately indicate the fuel flow. Not so in CS 727.Sound is very good in DF version...captures the low-freq growl of a low-bypass turbojet quite well.DF727 is far easier on frame rates than CS model.DF has never tried to repackage their 727 panel as a 707 panel...complete with a 3-engine overhead panel.DF hasn't closed down their support forum. CaptainSim has.I rest my case.Bob ScottATP IMEL Gulfstream II-III-IV-V L-300Washington, DC

Have to chime in on that level. I decided to take her up on vatsim tonight for the first time. I have to say she performed flawlessly. I hand-flew the DP under controlled conditions with alt holds and vectors all the way up to cruise at 33,000. Once I got up there, I activated the RXP-530 and alt-hold and took a breath. I got to thinking how nice it is to have everything I want. I want to be challenged to hand-fly a jet with vor-nav, but I also want to be able to tell Center that I am going to be stepping away for a couple minutes (the local flight attendant here makes sure the No Smoking Light is always on) and go smoke a cig knowing that I have the flightplan under control. Then come back and flip back to vor-nav for a bit, or just sit back, pull up a wingview and watch the simworld fly by. I'm not three people and I don't always have charts at hand so it is really nice to have some sort of nav manager to take some of the load off at times.Aside from the first flight, everything but cruise flight has been hand-fly right down to the deck. This bird screams for it. A good instrument scan and smooth control movements are definitely rewarded. In fact, to go along with the ever-present "want more" feelings, I really really want one of those expensive yokes now.

Hey thanks sooo much for the SHIFT 9 position ;-) already hard at work on a "crvm" style landing panel with larger gauges and crisp original panel textures to match... Now if I can get a install program that only installs to purchased 727s..Best Wishes,[h4]Randy J. Smith[/h4]http://www.rawbw.com/~bdoolin/shinault/southparkcartmad.gif[h3]PMDG 747![/h3]Caution! Not a real pilot, but do play one on TV ;-)ASUS KV8 DLX | AMD 3200 64 | 1 GIG PC 3200 DDR | GIGABYTE 5700 ULTRA | ViewSonic VP192b 19" |

Ya Bob, I have a couple paywares out there that I spent good money on and had them uninstalled within days. I am glad that the DF727 was not disappointing at all..she'll be on the HD for a long time. Now if someone would do the old Delta livery I would be happy.

Hi,I have both and DF is definately my choise, no doubt about it

I own both and the DF one $hits all over the CS727 + the CS bird is now 2 years old :(

But a big thanks to DreamFleet for providing an AuxNav function that allows the ATP washouts among us to still sneak off and go watch that football game during cruise. ;-)Just make sure you check in every now and then to manage the airspeed.Well, I just wanted to add my favorite experience. When I loaded the plane up for the first time, I spent some great quality time just flicking switches and looking at the gauges and lights. To an electrical engineer, it doesn't get much more fun than that. To whomever designed the electrical systems to the nth degree, I applaud you. I am your target audience.Yet DF sensibly provided an option to bypass all the switch flicking, so anyone reading who likes getting airborne ASAP, don't be dissuaded.

The sounds are fantastic. I've been upmixing MSFS to my 7.1 speaker setup for about a year now and no plane has ever sounded like this one. Interesting example of the detail that went into the sounds: when the essential bus is supplied with power, a system starts shaking the avionics instuments at low amplitudes to prevent locking. You'll hear this in the background cockpit sound.

Darren you sure have some nice Dash 8 pictures!