This is the truth.  If you'd like to go into more detail about why, you are welcome to browse the forums as the others have suggested.  This topic has been discussed at length, more than a few times, rather passionately.  Beyond that, the attempts to justify your stance (visual models are not fully realistic and they've made those, so a radar of compromised realism should also be okay) have also been discussed, at length, in those threads.

 

If you'd like to see the future of your thread here, you should go look at the others.

 

 

 

 

Firstly, it's the 747-8 (no zeroes).

 

Secondly, it was very clearly stated that it would be a visual model update only.  The ability to create a known aircraft model from known data is much easier than trying to create a weather radar from data that doesn't exist.  They felt like adding an extra model and sound set for the people who wanted it because they apparently had the resources to do so.  Their goal really wasn't realism in that case.  If you'd like an unrealistic radar, there are already several products out there that have standalone weather radar applications.

 

 

 

 

Really?  You honestly believe that they just have a whole bunch of "Not Possible to Implement" cards in their pockets for use and time they feel like it?

 

I can't really recall many times where they've used it as an excuse.  Heck, even the radar issue isn't so much an excuse, as much as it's the reality.

 

 

 

 

haha - I almost didn't respond because I figured it was just a question about whether or not radar would be in the sim.  I then read the initial post and figured I'd jump in (yet attempt to be tame).

@Kyle yea Randazzo mentioned that it was technically feasible but like any modern addon for fsx it requires alot of external processes that inject data into fsx. Anyway, in a post in May/June Capt Rob Randazzo said the method required for a real WXR would take too much time (and divert effort from their main development chains), not conform to PMDG's style (they make aicrafts mostly- i said style because Im trying to avoid discussing their business strategies as much as possible) and would  not be econoomically viable and would require reworking the way fsx reads weather data

 

One can still use Captain sim and Reality Xp to gain some 'immersion' even though the data isnt fully accurate

 

 

 

@Darren they did mention the ER models as addons (200ER, 300ER) and said the 200/300 (non ER) would depend on if there is sufficient demand. This stuff takes time you know; years in fact. You should show more respect to the guys pushing desktop simulation to greater heights... I have half a mind to call you a fool... (ooh wait I just did)

 

 

@Kyle yea Randazzo mentioned that it was technically feasible but like any modern addon for fsx it requires alot of external processes that inject data into fsx. Anyway, in a post in May/June Capt Rob Randazzo said the method required for a real WXR would take too much time (and divert effort from their main development chains), not conform to PMDG's style (they make aicrafts mostly- i said style because Im trying to avoid discussing their business strategies as much as possible) and would  not be econoomically viable and would require reworking the way fsx reads weather data

 

Mind linking to that post, because I have a hard time believing that...?

Just have to say that's a rude comment, not to mention that you are yelling by using all caps.  What's worse is that your post has been voted up 8 times.

 

Well ya know...your comment only has 2 upvotes and the one you are bashing has 8.  

Yes! If that is true then it is a much more acceptable reason given than the reasons always given. "Not possible to accurately implement in FlightSim or something along those lines". If you cannot be bothered to work on it then just give us the true reason. No one is asking for a fancy reason why. I guess those who ask for a weather radar will accept a more truthful answer rather than the standard merry go round reply. Then calling names is acceptable in avsim? Foolish fool?

 

Regards,

Darren

@Kyle yea Randazzo mentioned that it was technically feasible but like any modern addon for fsx it requires alot of external processes that inject data into fsx. Anyway, in a post in May/June Capt Rob Randazzo said the method required for a real WXR would take too much time (and divert effort from their main development chains), not conform to PMDG's style (they make aicrafts mostly- i said style because Im trying to avoid discussing their business strategies as much as possible) and would  not be econoomically viable and would require reworking the way fsx reads weather data

One can still use Captain sim and Reality Xp to gain some 'immersion' even though the data isnt fully accurate



@Darren they did mention the ER models as addons (200ER, 300ER) and said the 200/300 (non ER) would depend on if there is sufficient demand. This stuff takes time you know; years in fact. You should show more respect to the guys pushing desktop simulation to greater heights... I have half a mind to call you a fool... (ooh wait I just did)

Mind linking to that post, because I have a hard time believing that...?

I cant seem to find it I gave it to alex ridge (aceridgy) weeks ago ill keep lookin

Mind linking to that post, because I have a hard time believing that...?

 

 

I cant seem to find it I gave it to alex ridge (aceridgy) weeks ago ill keep lookin

Here you guys go: http://forum.avsim.net/topic/412156-24jun13-pmdg-777-virtual-cockpit-preview/page-15#entry2704155

 

"I have not said that it cannot be done.  What I have said (in many and various ways..) is that it cannot be done realistically, without creating a method to put precipitation and thermal activity into known places within the simulator that also mesh with the simulator's weather engine seamlessly and then working that information backward onto the cockpit display.

 

So yes- it CAN be done....

 

But it cannot be done as an effective use of PMDG's development talent in such a way that it makes it economically viable or worthwhile to do so..."

Hi all. Was just wondering how come PMDG is selective on what they want to model as "realistic" and what they do not want. Back to the much talked about weather radar. Saw many postings by potential PMDG B777 buyers asking about this and the answer is always "not possible to model that accurately in flight sim". I recall that they had a so called PAYWARE B747-800 extension to the B747 queen of the sky using the B747-400 cockpit. How accurate was that? Also no official response from PMDG on the taxi camera for the B777-300s. Heck not even if there is ever going to be a B777-200ER or B777-200 or B777-300. "Work still goes on huh?".Next thing we are going to hear from PMDG may be something like "not possible to accurately model the taxi camera due to the constraints of flight sim".......

 

 

Regards,

Darren Liew

^{are we allowed follow me cars on vatsim yet?}

Step 1: Buy FSDT's GSX

Step 2: Install GSX

Step 3: Fly somewhere on vatsim

Step 4: Vacate the runway

Step 5: Press Ctrl+F12 and select the gate the _GND Controller told you to go to (or pick one at random)

Step 6: Select "Follow me car"

 

 

Here you guys go: http://forum.avsim.net/topic/412156-24jun13-pmdg-777-virtual-cockpit-preview/page-15#entry2704155

 

"I have not said that it cannot be done.  What I have said (in many and various ways..) is that it cannot be done realistically, without creating a method to put precipitation and thermal activity into known places within the simulator that also mesh with the simulator's weather engine seamlessly and then working that information backward onto the cockpit display.

 

So yes- it CAN be done....

 

But it cannot be done as an effective use of PMDG's development talent in such a way that it makes it economically viable or worthwhile to do so..."

Thanks

Step 1: Buy FSDT's GSX

Step 2: Install GSX

Step 3: Fly somewhere on vatsim

Step 4: Vacate the runway

Step 5: Press Ctrl+F12 and select the gate the _GND Controller told you to go to (or pick one at random)

Step 6: Select "Follow me car"

 

 

Yeah I know, but it was one of them "beating a dead horse" question's that was always brought up on vatsim's website.

Step 1: Buy FSDT's GSX

Step 2: Install GSX

Step 3: Fly somewhere on vatsim

Step 4: Vacate the runway

Step 5: Press Ctrl+F12 and select the gate the _GND Controller told you to go to (or pick one at random)

Step 6: Select "Follow me car"

 

 

What if the VATSIM controller gives you the taxi instructions to your gate? You can't use FollowMe because it takes you a different route.

What if the VATSIM controller gives you the taxi instructions to your gate? You can't use FollowMe because it takes you a different route.

 

Well,  why can't you just INFORM  the Vatsim Ground controller,  that there is a follow car ahead of you, expecting you to follow him, and ask the controller  if you can follow the Follow car instead, to the gate he assigned you.

 

If he says YES,  great  -- go ahead.

 

If he says NO, and you still want to use your "Follow Car" , disconnect from Vatsim,  and proceed as you wish.

 

Simple as that !

Iam not sure if this would work. But from many discussions with developers it seems the only real solution is to completely redevelop the weather engine system. However it is a huge undertaking that would require a large amount of time and resources with one of the only benefits being a working WXR. 

 

I am sure when people are designing new/improved simulators they will make accurate weather depiction possible, but in the case with a 7 year old piece of software which was left riddled with problems by the team that had to abandon it I think this is highly unlikely to happen.

there is P3D. Unfortunately it wont be pmdg's main platform

Well, why can't you just INFORM the Vatsim Ground controller, that there is a follow car ahead of you, expecting you to follow him, and ask the controller if you can follow the Follow car instead, to the gate he assigned you.

 

If he says YES, great -- go ahead.

 

If he says NO, and you still want to use your "Follow Car" , disconnect from Vatsim, and proceed as you wish.

 

Simple as that !

How am I supposed to know if the controller knows about follow me cars or not??

Ask him?