Here's an interesting read about stalling airliners:

 

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/4137546/Pilots-damage-behind-Air-NZ-Airbus-crash

 

http://avherald.com/h?article=410c9cec

 

 

I find it amusing that people become paralyzed when the FMC, LNAV,VNAV, and  autopilot do something other than they are expecting and instead of focusing on flying ( yes you can disconnect the AP and actually fly it believe it or not) they want to figure out how to get the aircraft to fly itself rather than actually fly it themselves.

 

If you're in VMC and aren't on a complicated RNAV arrival then that should be easy enough. If you're up at FL 350 just starting down on some complicated busy RNAV STAR, or even worse, in IMC popping into Queenstown NZQN on the GNSS RNAV/RNP0.3 or something.

 

There is a difference between being in a position to fly a visual approach, ILS on the raw data by hand, and making up an RNAV approach based on nothing but the EGPWS, an incorrectly programmed FMS with magenta lines splattered randomly around the ND, and your wits. Swapping from an RNP approach to a VOR or Visual which is likely to put the aircraft in a totally different place compared to what you were cleared for is time to start talking to ATC about alternatives.

 

(Being briefed and/or aware of what alternatives are best is good practice. "Hi ATC, we lost our RNAV capability, and would like to request the VOR/ILS/Vectors/A visual approach etc"

 

Unless you want someone who has been cleared to do This procedure, suddenly break off and join this one instead without telling you.

 

"Hey loosing the FMC track data isn't a problem, The whole ND has not a single magenta line in site, no worries I'll just disconnect the autopilot and manually fly the plane to the runway on any track I feel like. I have the EGPWS data so I can avoid mountains in this IMC just fine!

 

And for kicks, why not just buzz the field at 50ft inverted at 300kts and do a snap roll in front of the terminal. Safe as houses. during the GFC.

 

There's a time and place for everything. Loosing LNAV/VNAV on a long straight final is a good time to not tell ATC about it, and just land. Loosing LNAV/VNAV early in the RNP0.3 approach to NZQN in IMC is time to pull out other charts, talk to ATC, tune some navigation radios, and maybe, just maybe, stay above MSA while you sort it out.

 

Doing a properly regulated flight test as a test pilot is a good time to do stall warning and recovery testing. Just randomly deciding to 'fit one in' just before you land after ATC didn't clear you for it earlier in your flight, isn't.

 

.. then again this is Flight Sim, you can fly under the Sydney Harbour Bridge and do barrel rolls in your 747 if you want.

 

 

Here's an interesting read about stalling airliners:
 
http://www.stuff.co....NZ-Airbus-crash
 
http://avherald.com/h?article=410c9cec

 

These are stories of pilots doing it wrong.  Terribly wrong, and not intentionally.  But good reads.  I love that second site.  Sometimes I browse that for fun.  Kinda sad, but I do it.  

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I didn't pay thousands of dollars to get taught by youtube how to fly jackass.

 

In that case you need to pay some more since you need to obviously afford some manners.

 

I would be editing that post quick smart if I were you.

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I would be editing that post quick smart if I were you.

 

I'm not going to let someone who doesn't know me walk all over me in a forum like that.  Sorry that you are offended but that is that.  Do what you want with my account.  

 

Cheers,  :Cuppa:

I'm not going to let someone who doesn't know me walk all over me in a forum like that. Sorry that you are offended but that is that. Do what you want with my account.

 

Cheers, :Cuppa:

You can disagree with anyone and anyone can disagree with you, it is a forum.

 

But it is no place for insulting names.

 

 

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But it is no place for insulting names.

 

Agreed, but jackass is something you call a friend when they say something that doesn't sit well with you.  That's how I take it anyway.  He insulted me, I insulted him.  No big deal.  I've seen FAR worse on AVSIM if we're talking about insults.  I like to think I balance out my mean posts with carebears (Kyle's specialty) so I'm not losing any sleep over it.  

Well this stayed on topic LOL.

 

 

Well this stayed on topic LOL.

 

I tried.  I failed.  It's not too late.  

 

YES I will be flying it right away, after 2-3 hours on the ground to fiddle with it.  

You can safely stall a big jumbo jet just like you can safely stall a C152.  Sure Airbus has protections, but you NEED to safely recover a stall for an aircraft to be certified.  So whoever said you never stall a big aircraft is wrong.  

 

If you owned a 777 wouldn't you take it for a nice spin and do some stalls etc?  

 

 

I was talking about the difference of Airbus having that alpha floor safety thingy.  Other than that of course the laws of flight are the same.  They both have wings.  I just found it weird that someone said they never stall large aircraft.  

 

 

DING DING!  Have a cookie my friend.  Finally someone who sees it like me.  The right way  :lol:  kidding.  

 

 

I didn't pay thousands of dollars to get taught by youtube how to fly jackass.

 

Ah ok, Alpha floor safety thingy, yep sorry makes sense now... See I was thinking of that windy tunnel test thingy... Don't get me started

Ah ok, Alpha floor safety thingy, yep sorry makes sense now... See I was thinking of that windy tunnel test thingy... Don't get me started

 

haha I paid thousands to fly an airplane yes, sorry, I should have mentioned it's not an Airbus!  If my video with Bruce was confusing I apologize.  I know they weren't going in to a full stall, but it's not something that is never done as posted by a user a bit back.  It needs to be done for testing and if I owned one I'd be doing it for fun.    

haha I paid thousands to fly an airplane yes, sorry, I should have mentioned it's not an Airbus!  If my video with Bruce was confusing I apologize.  I know they weren't going in to a full stall, but it's not something that is never done as posted by a user a bit back.  It needs to be done for testing and if I owned one I'd be doing it for fun.

 

Well thank god you don't own one my friend

Well thank god you don't own one my friend

 

The order is in, and delivery is next year.  Just a baby bus.  And I know where you live.   :p0128:

... if I owned one I'd be doing it for fun.    

 

So you crave the kind of excitement one would normally only find by sharing a bath with an electric fan heater?

I was talking about the difference of Airbus having that alpha floor safety thingy. Other than that of course the laws of flight are the same. They both have wings. I just found it weird that someone said they never stall large aircraft.

That alpha floor safety thingy is nothing to do with how Airbus pilots recover from a stall. Alpha floor is what the aircraft goes into if the pilot allows speed to decay near to a stall condition. It is also a way for the pilot to pull CLmax in a windshear for example. It is not used by pilots to recover from a stall.

 

The 777 has a similar system if speed gets too low with the A/T armed but not engaged. It will wake up and automatically add thrust to maintain speed, up to GA power if necessary.

 

It's not weird either that large jets are not normally stalled. Pilots are taught to avoid stalling them and to recognize a stall before it happens.

Depending on the day of release if it's not on a Friday then I'll be spending the rest of the week going over the cockpit and reading up and learning things, if i get my hands on it on the Friday then i have an 14 hour delivery flight to do :lol: