I have been considering getting a buisness jet from eaglesoft.One (or maybe two) of these do I have in mind1) Cessna Citation CJ12) Cessna Citation X3) Cessna Citation II SPIt's a little difficult to make a choice.What are the diffrences between them particulary between 1) and 2)?What strong and weak points can be mentioned for each?I have noticed that the DL file size of 2) and 3) is much greaterthan 1). Why is it so? Does this mean that CJ1 is less advanced?Is CJ1 better since it's the latest release?Is 3) more like the real thing because the real II doesn't have a FMCso the fact that no FMC is simulated is more realistic than having only a partly functional FMC like in 1) and 2)?

First, the CJ1 and C-X fill slightly different niches--they have different missions in the business world. I would compare the CJ-1 to the C-IISP. One advantage with the SP (if you still fly FS2002 from time to time) vs. the CJ1 is that it works in FS2002.Comparing the C-X to both the CJ1 and CII, the C-X is much more capable in terms of speed and range, a little less so in terms of getting in and out of smaller fields. And of course the CII has a range advantage over the CJ1.The CJ1 has some nice nifty little eye candy features--you can manipulate the cabin (i.e. recline the seats) by clicking on them. I don't know if this feature is in the C-X and I don't recall it being in the C-II.I guess if I were a first timer, and since you're already aware of the FMC's limitations, I'd go with the CII or the C-X since they can do a wider variety of flights given their extended range.-John

I don't own the CJ1 yet (my rudder pedals decided to quit on me, so I am grounded until I get new ones). I do have every other Eaglesoft plane. Both the Citation II and X are great addons. From an aircraft performance standpoint, I always recommend the Citation X just because it is such a wonderful aircraft. It is the real-world plane which people want! It can cruise well above commercial traffic at speeds of mach .91 It is the kind of bird which real pilots dream of getting to fly. How about NY to LA in around 4 hours? The Citation II is ideal for short hops, as John mentioned. Quality wise they are both good aircraft, just pick the one you wish to fly most. You can't go wrong, as both are great hand flyers.

If I were you I'd get all the Eaglesoft jets... :-jumpy Forget comparing one to the other (although John and Craig have done a great job in the above post). It's really hard to pick one over the other in you like these kinds of aircraft, you'll see what I mean when you get your first and second model...Don't forget the Premier I, Beechjet, and Hawker. All three are great as well... I think I heard there was an update in the works for the Beechjet/Hawker but don't quote me on that...

>I have been considering getting a buisness jet from>eaglesoft.>One (or maybe two) of these do I have in mind>1) Cessna Citation CJ1>2) Cessna Citation X>3) Cessna Citation II SP>It's a little difficult to make a choice.>>What are the diffrences between them particulary between 1)>and 2)?I own all three of the jets mentioned. My favourite is the CX, and if I was only able to buy one, it would be it. My most recent purchase is the CJ1, and I've only flown it 3 or 4 times. Based on that limited experience, there is quite a bit of difference between the CJ1 and the CX (the CJ1 is more like the CII).You can "jump in" the CJ1 and CII and be off the ground more quickly then the CX, assuming you want to use the features offered by the jets. The CX is much more sensitive to fuel payload etc. then the CII (and I believe the CJ1). >>What strong and weak points can be mentioned for each?>I'm not into "eye candy", as I find it dissolves pretty quickly and disappears, so I won't comment on that aspect. The CX is more sophisticated, and it is fast. If you fly shorter flights, pick either the CJ1 or CII; if you want longer flights and are willing to spend a few more minutes before getting off the ground, pick the CX. Depending on your budget, I would look towards selecting the CX, and the CII or CJ1 as a second aircraft, as they do feel different. I haven't picked a favourite between the CII and CJ1, but I have a soft spot for a CII as I've put a lot of hours in a CII as a passenger.>I have noticed that the DL file size of 2) and 3) is much>greater>than 1). Why is it so? Does this mean that CJ1 is less>advanced?As mentioned, the CJ1 and CII seem similiar; the CX is definitely more advanced. Not sure as to why the download size might be different. (eye candy?)>Is CJ1 better since it's the latest release?Not sure what you are asking. I've only seen one release of the CJ1.>Is 3) more like the real thing because the real II doesn't>have a FMC so the fact that no FMC is simulated is more realistic than having only a partly functional FMC like in 1) and 2)?I'd evaluate your selection on these aspects* how fast do you want to get flying* how far do you want to goIf you want to get up fast, pick the CJ1 or CII; if you want to go far, pick the CX. The CX is more sophisticated as well.I do love Eaglesoft BizJets, regardless of model. I don't think you will be disappointed. Hope I have been of assistance.Bruce

I own all three of Eaglesoft's Citation jets. They are very good and fun to fly, with these caveats:1) Panels are very hard to read. 2) Manuals leave a lot to be desired.3) I'm waiting for Eaglesoft to offer a fully functioning FMC as an upgrade. ricardo

I have the Eaglesoft Citation X, it's a wonderful plane. The panels are vast and complicated. The aircraft has an APU and auxillary panels. The exterior and interior models are top notch. I bought the Citation X and it's my favorite. It is the total package. The aircraft has a (limited) FMC, glass cockpit and full VC and passenger cabin. Here's my opinion on the aircraft. Interior: The panels are detailed and almost every single button/switch is clickable. I feel that panels are readable at 1024x768, some people feel they are a little blurry. The interior night lighting is great, including flood lights and panels lights. The VC cockpit works well on my system (AMD 2800+/ATI 9600) but I like to fly using 2D panels. The Citation X by Eaglesoft does have a limited FMC allowing you to find your position, set the initial fuel/pax loading, and fiddle with the autopilot settings, but that's all. Exterior: The exterior textures are nothing short of excellent. The dynamic shine, smooth contours, multiple moving pieces, landing gear, and engine textures are all awesome and expertly detailed. I repainted a few textures and changed the tail number and my Citations look awesome. It's a pretty big plane, as far as bizjets go, and sitting on the tarmac, the aircraft looks pretty bad-####.Flight Model: I've never flown a real Citation X (or any jet for that matter), but comparing it to the default Lear Jet (and any other aircraft, default or payware that I own), it flies excellent. It's a great hand-flyer. The autopilot does most of my flying, but takeoff and landing in this plane is a breeze once you've got it lined up and you are at the right speeds (the FMC can calculate them for you). I like landing and then using the Replay Video in FS2004 to watch my landing from Tower or Spot view.Overall: My framerates with this plane are fine. I do not have any performance problems with this plane, but I have a fairly well-built gaming computer system (AMD 2800+/ATI 9600/512megs DDR Ram/Asus A7N8X NForce2-400U). I am so happy with my purchase of this aircraft. I think others will say the same thing. If you buy only one Eaglesoft Citation, I would get the X. It does everything the other Citations do, only faster and higher. The new CJ1 that was just released looks like a nice plane, but I like the extra complexity that the Citation X has.Good Luck! No matter what plane you choose, Eaglesoft won't do you wrong!

The panels are blurry even at the "recommended" resolution. Turning off anti-aliasing within FS9 improves things slightly, but not by much. The blurry panels become an issue in the Citation II, where you really need to watch the engine operations display during the take-off roll, in order not to exceed the turbine RPM - which is easier said than done since the readouts are, well, hard to read. At the very least, Eaglesoft should offer pop-up gauges. In the Citation II the ESHI gauge can be "popped up," which helps some. Dreamfleet and PMDG are currently setting the standards in panel design; IMHO, Eaglesoft think they "own" the market in bizjets, so they are not in a hurry to develop their designs. Just my opinion (from an otherwise very satisfied user)Ricardo

1) Citation CJ1: It's the newest of the bunch so it has the most bells and whistles. Nice glass cockpit, different from what you'd be used to in a default FS2004 plane or an airliner; all these Cessnas have some quirks to them in the autopilots that take some getting used to. Excellent virtual cabin with clickable overhead floodlighting, clickable folding tray tables, even a clickable galley door. Regular and "lite" versions are included; the lite version has no VC and no cabin, for pilots with slower systems that don't mind flying from the 2D cockpit. The pressurization system is modeled on all three planes. The FMC is half-modeled, it reads flightplans from the FS2004 GPS and lets you load performance data and tracks your progress, but that's about it. Range is around 1200 miles, typical cruise at M.65 or so at FL330. And the exterior modeling is outstanding. There are a couple of tiny bugs in the instrument panel which will be fixed in a service release.2. Citation X: If the CJ1 is the family car of bizjets, the X is the Mercedes 600S. :) Glass cockpit with many similarities to the CJ1, but more complex. The FMC is half-modeled and exactly the same as the CJ1's. The virtual cabin is excellent, and in the "deluxe" version includes an animated female passenger. Four different level-of-detail versions are included. As for performance...try cruising at M.90 and FL490 with power to spare and flying over 3000 miles. But, fully loaded the X needs a fairly big runway (5200 feet) so this plane cannot go to all the smaller strips that the CJ1 and the II/SP can. This thing is a major hot rod but takes some learning to fly well, especially climbing to altitude. The systems modeling on the X is more complicated, including pressurization/bleed air, cabin temp, an APU, and a more complex engine start procedure.3. Citation II/SP: An older plane, so it has no glass in the cockpit except for the EHSI which models a real-world aftermarket add-on and has some nice features. Nice virtual cabin, and normal and "lite" versions (again, "lite" has no VC or cabin). The gauges can be hard to read sometimes but nothing that isn't tolerable. It's an older product, so it doesn't have quite all the polish or fancy things of the X and the CJ1, but it's still an extremely good product IMO, and a great hand-flyer. Its performance is similar to the CJ1 (cruising in the Mach .65 range up to .71, at FL310-350) but it has a little more range, about 1500 miles.The CJ1 is most definitely NOT less advanced than the other two, it's the newest one so it has the most toys, and the avionics are actually fairly similar to the X. The II/SP is the oldest of the three, both in terms of an Eaglesoft product and in the real world, so it has the least sophisticated cockpit.I bought the II/SP and the X last week and wound up buying the CJ1 the second day it was out. I think all three are very good products even with a few flaws (and what doesn't have flaws?). If I was going to get just one, it would depend on what routes I wanted to fly. If I wanted to go long distances fast and didn't mind giving up short-field capability, I'd get the X. If I wanted shorter trips to smaller airports and wanted a fancy glass cockpit, I'd get the CJ1. If I wanted shorter trips and preferred an "old-school" airplane, I'd get the II/SP. You can't go wrong with any of them in my opinion.Lewis "Moose" GregoryColumbia, South Carolina

Citation X is all I have, but have made it my default aircraft. I think you will be thrilled with it. I am sure the other models are equally well done.Do not understand the displeasure in the panel. clear as a good picture to me, but then again I run everything @ 1600x1200x32.Don't forget the free hanger (which you can download for anything that will fit). You can then make your own FBO spotted all over the world. In my dreamworld sim makeup I imagine I have the biggest in the world. (Still waiting for the possible larger hanger which is understandably on hold).Happy flying.RTH

>If I were you I'd get all the Eaglesoft jets... :-jumpy >Why buying several planes that are very similar?>Don't forget the Premier I, Beechjet, and Hawker. All three>are great as well... I think I heard there was an update in>the works for the Beechjet/Hawker but don't quote me on>that...>From some review I have got the impression that the three I listed isbetter than these.

>Not sure what you are asking. I've only seen one release of>the CJ1.>I was thinking about the fact that CJ1 was released after the X and II.

>3. Citation II/SP: An older plane, so it has no glass in the>cockpit except for the EHSI which models a real-world>aftermarket add-on and has some nice features. Nice virtual>cabin, and normal and "lite" versions (again, "lite" has no VC>or cabin). The gauges can be hard to read sometimes but>nothing that isn't tolerable. It's an older product, so itIs this issue with the gauges being hartd to read different compared to the CJ1 and X, i.e is the CJ1 X gauges more distinct and easier to read?

>Do not understand the displeasure in the panel. clear as a>good picture to me, but then again I run everything @>1600x1200x32.>I run at 1024x768x32 on 17" CRT monitor. But after looking at the screenshots I don't notice any significant difference compared to most other products.

>The II/SP is>the oldest of the three, both in terms of an Eaglesoft product>and in the real world, so it has the least sophisticated>cockpit.Thanks Moose, for a fair and balanced presentation of the three members of the Citation "family" we've thus far modeled.Just a minor point really, but the actual release of these three was in this order:Citation XCitation IICitation CJ1Thanks also for the "plug" for my free hanger scenery... :)