I run at .80 Zoom and as Kyle said, you don't need to look at everything once you are all set up on your final at final app speed with one hand on the throttles and the other on the yoke. The one advantage the RW pilot has over us though, is that PM with another set of eyes.

 

Regards,

 

Edit: Of course the other answer is TIR!

I want to run FSX on this screen!

 

http://www.ancsports.com/public/userfiles/images/News%20Stories/dallas.jpg

This is what you get when you have 3 24 inch Monitors running 2 evga 580 SLI AT 5760 by 1080 at 80 zoom.          

This is getting to be something that I tend to address weekly, and I'm beginning to think that it's one of the main issues of why people take issue with the VC.

 

I was hoping you would see this post - I  know your position on this.  I still disagree with you on what you need to see. On final approach, in several millisecond you can look down at your instrument and see you descent rate, speed then look up at the runway.  You indeed need the top 1/2 of the main panel and the runway at the same time.  This is ONLY accomplished at 50% zoom or lower.   I want to have it all, realistic panel size and look out and see the runway at 100% zoom.

So my question is, will a 55" monitor do the trick, or would the resolution basically suck?

 

Yes, you could have 100% zoom and pop up the instruments, but that is lame.

I was hoping you would see this post - I  know your position on this.  I still disagree with you on what you need to see. On final approach, in several millisecond you can look down at your instrument and see you descent rate, speed then look up at the runway.  You indeed need the top 1/2 of the main panel and the runway at the same time.  This is ONLY accomplished at 50% zoom or lower.   I want to have it all, realistic panel size and look out and see the runway at 100% zoom.

So my question is, will a 55" monitor do the trick, or would the resolution basically suck?

 

Yes, you could have 100% zoom and pop up the instruments, but that is lame.

So I just tried what you want to do. On my 46" TV at zoom 100% I can have both the PFD/ND/EICAS and the windscreen with the rwy and everything is a descend size too.

Instruments are readable and sharp. The only thing I did have to do is move my eyepoint back a bit, otherwise while looking out the window the PDF would be cut at the bottom by 1/3 or so. (this has nothing to do with the size of the TV but with pixel count. you get the same view on a 24" 1920x1080 monitor as on my TV, just smaller)

 

You can try this with your current monitor too ofcourse.

Set zoom at 100%

Move eyepoint back untill you see all you need.(ctrl + backspace I think it was)

Now just imagine things being about twice the size on my 46" TV and even bigger on a 55"

 

So it is not so bad even without the two additional monitors I usually use (but I still prefere that).

 

About TV vs Monitor:

I do feel there is difference in quality between the monitor and the TV.

Colours are a bit different.....I also think the TV looks a bit....I dont know pixely?

But not enough to desturb me. I realy like my TV!

I dont know why it looks a bit different, but I dont think it is due to the size...I mean HD movies are beautifull and are also 1920x1080.

 

I was told that some TVs dont play nice with 1/2Vsync.

Mine does just fine though.

 

You might want to load FSX on a laptop and go to your local electronic store to test it.

This is what you get when you have 3 24 inch Monitors running 2 evga 580 SLI AT 5760 by 1080 at 80 zoom.

 

You picture shows exactly the reason why my Tripplehead2go has been unused for years.

See those streched knobs on the far right....I cant stand that :-(

 

I am going to say some things here that I am not sure are correct.

So dont hang me for it....just correct me if I am wrong.

 

Lately I have been comparing Nvidia against ATI (or is it AMD?) eyefinity on youtube and it seems that eyefinity users do not have this streched view.

 

And I think the simple reason is that maybe eyefinity can produce way more pixels than eyefinity?

 

My EVGA GTX680 can produce 2560x1600 pixels max I think.

So I say: no wonder a view of 3x1920x1200 (or 1080) gets streched!

I mean where are those pixels supposed to come from if the GPU can not produce them?

 

The new EVGA GTX780 can produce 4096x2160 (=8.847.360 pixels)

So maybe it can do an unstreched 3x1920x1200 view. (that is 5760x1200 = 6.912.000 pixels)

I am not sure if Nvidia can produce this pixel count when 3 monitors are connected.

Maybe it can only do that with one 4K TV when connected to the HDMI port?

Man, I'd love a screen shot of that 46" TV set up. I have a feeling it'll cost me some $$ if I like what I see.

You know, I just tried the CNTL ENTER and moved way back , then zoomed to 80% and I the instrument panel while having the runway at 80% zoom.

 

That seems like a perfect balance.  Let's see if I can stick the 777 into KBOS now.

Man, I'd love a screen shot of that 46" TV set up. I have a feeling it'll cost me some $$ if I like what I see.

You know, I just tried the CNTL ENTER and moved way back , then zoomed to 80% and I the instrument panel while having the runway at 80% zoom.

 

That seems like a perfect balance. Let's see if I can stick the 777 into KBOS now.

The thing is, with a screen shot you are not going to see the effect of my TVs size.

The resolution is still 1920x1080 pixels and a screen shot from my 1920x1080 46" TV is going to look exactly the same as your 1920x1080 24" monitor.

Both the size of the screenshot and resolution will be identical.

 

I would have to take a photo (with a photo camera) of my TV and monitor to show the difference.

Maybe I can do that tomorrow.

 

Good luck in KBOS :-)

You picture shows exactly the reason why my Tripplehead2go has been unused for years.

See those streched knobs on the far right....I cant stand that :-(

 

I am going to say some things here that I am not sure are correct.

So dont hang me for it....just correct me if I am wrong.

 

Lately I have been comparing Nvidia against ATI (or is it AMD?) eyefinity on youtube and it seems that eyefinity users do not have this streched view.

 

And I think the simple reason is that maybe eyefinity can produce way more pixels than eyefinity?

 

My EVGA GTX680 can produce 2560x1600 pixels max I think.

So I say: no wonder a view of 3x1920x1200 (or 1080) gets streched!

I mean where are those pixels supposed to come from if the GPU can not produce them?

 

The new EVGA GTX780 can produce 4096x2160 (=8.847.360 pixels)

So maybe it can do an unstreched 3x1920x1200 view. (that is 5760x1200 = 6.912.000 pixels)

I am not sure if Nvidia can produce this pixel count when 3 monitors are connected.

Maybe it can only do that with one 4K TV when connected to the HDMI port?

I understand where your coming from I don't like it ether but 2 things 1, I have the right monitor curved towards me on a 45 degree angle I will try to stretch it out level with my

middle monitor and see what I get if you know what I mean, and 2 this the 777 you should see my realair duke aircraft it's a whole different story I'll try these adjustments and send some more pic's.

 

ALB

gIANCARLO

Ii seems I need 40-50% zoom level to see the instruments and the runway at the same time.  I have Track IR but don't like it.  I want the main instruments and the full view out the left side of the cockpit window.

I have a 27" monitors, but even with that my main instrument panel is only 4" wide - way too small compared to real life view.  In order to fly at 100% zoom, I think I'll need a 55" monitor!!

 

Now remember I am not a computer guy, but can you hook up a 55" TV to a decent computer?  If yes, Would it be too grainy?  kill FPS?  I was even thinking of a Proxima and shining it on the wall.  Am I nuts, or can it be done?

 

I am wondering what some you  "crazy" people have for a monitor set up.

This video is very good at explaining the views: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjbCFNSofpk.

Also, I fly with wideviewaspect=1 and a zoom of 1.0 (explained in the video), and I move my eyepoint backwards which allows me to see all the necessary displays (PFD, ND, EICAS) but doesn't cause distortion.

On the 55" screen verses a 24" screen (55/24) each pixel will 2.3 times wider per pixel on the 55". Take a crop of a screenshot and increase it's size by 2.3 in an imaging app that does upscaling, and you can sort of see how blurred it might look. Upscaling algorithms differ from panel to panel and may sway your descision on close inspection. Obviously choose and use them with native resolution for best results, but big pixels can look ugly close up.

...as a matter of interest I noticed Windows 8.1 can set a different scale desktop per screen, could be handy with FSX windowed mode.

I understand where your coming from I don't like it ether but 2 things 1, I have the right monitor curved towards me on a 45 degree angle I will try to stretch it out level with my

middle monitor and see what I get if you know what I mean, and 2 this the 777 you should see my realair duke aircraft it's a whole different story I'll try these adjustments and send some more pic's.

 

ALB

gIANCARLO

Would appriciate pics verry much. I get that streching distortion on every aircraft I use with the tripplehead2go.

Upscaling algorithms differ from panel to panel and may sway your descision on close inspection. Obviously choose and use them with native resolution for best results, but big pixels can look ugly close up

Yes that is a good point ofcourse. I am 3 feet....no more like 5 feet away from my TV and at that point the pixels are small enough that I find the VC including PFD etc sharp enough. But absolutely....if I move to within 1 feet or 2 feet of the TV then yes things are not so sharp anymore. Like I said before, I mainly use the TV for outside view through the fwd windscreen. Which is why it is ok for me to have the TV 5 feet away from me and behind my other monitors.

 

As to that pixely/grainy quality of the TV....that is actually a thing I dont see inside the VC but something I see outside! It almost seems as if AA or some setting like that does not work on the TV like it does on a monitor.

Or is this effect too just because the pixels are larger on the TV?

 

 

Why do you need to see the instruments and runway at the same time? The only two things you really need to see when landing are airspeed and the runway. You can reasonably accommodate this at a zoom level of about 80% (0.80 as displayed on screen), with the airspeed right at the bottom of the screen.

 

Totally agree....having all instruments and runway in sight and focused at the same time is highly unrealistic for the simple fact that in real life you can't focus simultaneously objects positioned at different distances from your eyes...actually in real life you continuously scan between instruments and external view, and you also use peripheral vision, which is obviously impossible to achieve on a sim, so you have to find the right trade off.

My zoom is set at 0.7 and that works fine for me....the default view I have set using Opus in VC on the T7 and the NGX (I never use 2D panels) is such that it includes the entire PFD and ND on Cpt side and just a little less than half engine display panel....but during landing and take off, my point of view is primarily aimed at what is right in front of me, outside of the aircraft, with only the upper part of the displays visible and I use the hat button on the yoke to quickly take a glance at the displays. 

I believe this is the best compromise I can achieve

Most likely Track IR should be the best option, but I don't use it, so I can' t tell for sure...

 

Regards

"having all instruments and runway in sight and focused at the same time is highly unrealistic" Jackson. It's a great point! Perhaps future simulators will move the panel out of focus when we look up at the runway, and put the runway out of focus when we look down at the instruments :}