Sign in to follow this  
Dillon

Can we stop installing add-ons until they are official

Recommended Posts

I'm reading so many posts of people installing this and that into P3D v2 then bashing it because the add-ons don't work.  This adds fuel to the fire to the skeptics of this platform and unfairly puts a stain on an otherwise great effort.  We all know developers are rushing to get updates to their add-ons to insure proper compatibility is there.  The only benefit to hack installing unmodified FSX add-ons into P3D v2 is we've found out how different P3D v2 is to FSX.  Please let developers like QW, Orbx, PMDG, and others do their work first then if the add-on still doesn't work let LM or the developer know.  I've read many posts on LM's forum where developers are asking the how-to's of developing in P3D so I know our efforts are in vain getting apps to work in something their not designed to work in.  We could end up with allot more problems in P3D v2 forcing things prematurely.  

  • Upvote 3

Share this post


Link to post
Help AVSIM continue to serve you!
Please donate today!

You make some very valid points.

 

It has always been like this though, albeit previously, with a greater show of patience, deliberation, understanding and common courtesy.

 

Sent from my GT-N7100 using Tapatalk

 

 

Share this post


Link to post

Amen to that!

 

It's soooo different than fsx, everybody just wants to throw every addon from fsx and voila. This program is still young, developers are doing there best to provide compatibility. I say if your just going to bash it that the addons don't work, than just enjoy fsx for now. That's what I'm doing for the time being enjoying the lovely 777. With dx10 working now, it looks and performs pretty much the same as P3D v2.

 

2014 will be an exiting year for p3d!

Share this post


Link to post

No, thanks. I like my add-ons and they work fine.

 

If you want to change your suggestion to not pointlessly complaining about P3D when FSX add-ons don't work (which I don't do), that might be more reasonable, but telling me I should not even install them is a little silly.

  • Upvote 2

Share this post


Link to post

RoboRay

 

I don't think Dillon said a word about don't install them.  He was just saying if you do install them don't complain if they don't work.  And I am not saying you are complaining, Dillon is just making a point about those who are complaining.

Share this post


Link to post

Oh god.. Is this another "not helping the cause" statement where people should not be transparent about when P3D isn't displaying Unicorns with rainbows flying out of their bum at 1000000FPS? 

Share this post


Link to post

Well I am inclined to agree with the OP here. It's way too early to completely transition to V2 in my opinion and who knows what side effects non optimized add ons are causing. Patience will have its own rewards.

Share this post


Link to post
 adds fuel to the fire to the skeptics of this platform and unfairly puts a stain on an otherwise great effort

 

 

 

But seriously, who cares what others think? Go fly an airplane..

Share this post


Link to post

Or it depends on the add-ons.  Or on users' expectations.  Or both...

 

While I agree with RoboRay that people can do whatever they want, I'm mostly following Dillon's lead - keeping my add-on installs to a minimum.  Ten days in, it seems increasingly clear that even the add-ons that are officially supported don't necessarily perform well in P3D V2 - there's a difference between having an installer that points to the folder and having a product that's actually tuned and optimized for the new code.  It's great if some of us are experimentally minded and want to install what we've got and see what flies, so to speak, but speaking personally, I'm OK letting the developers do the tweaking, even if that means waiting a while longer.  YMMV.  

Share this post


Link to post

I don't think Dillon said a word about don't install them.

That's exactly what the Subject says.

  • Upvote 1

Share this post


Link to post

Oh god.. Is this another "not helping the cause" statement where people should not be transparent about when P3D isn't displaying Unicorns with rainbows flying out of their bum at 1000000FPS? 

 

.

But seriously, who cares what others think? Go fly an airplane..

 

Bored Bill? Or just plain old rude? I do recall that P3Dv2 did not, (nor is ever likely to), display those Unicorns that come out of your bum at 100000FPS !

  • Upvote 1

Share this post


Link to post

.

 

Bored Bill? Or just plain old rude? I do recall that P3Dv2 did not, (nor is ever likely to), display those Unicorns that come out of your bum at 100000FPS !

 

Not bored, someone posted a screenshot of P3Dv2 showing 18FPS and Dillion  said

 

Your not helping the cause with frame rates like that. 

 

 

"the cause"  :lol:

 

The cheerleading and trying to hide "bad things" about P3Dv2 is nauseating. People need to know the truth.. Brushing it under the rug and acting like things aren't not compatible and bad framerates don't exist is insanity.  

Share this post


Link to post

For once I have to agree with Dillon. Mark that down. :) Prime example is the Majestic Q400. Claim were made it works great. I was having all kinds of CTD's when opening windows, changing liveries. So I check the Majestic forum. Yep, so much for that, all kinds of CTD's. Majestic confirmed it and has an update coming out for P3DV2. Another example is the AS Airbus EX and Twotter. Same thing and their still trying to get it correct. Ive got in the habit of checking the addon people website and asking.

Share this post


Link to post

 

 


The only benefit to hack installing unmodified FSX add-ons into P3D v2 is we've found out how different P3D v2 is to FSX

 

Actually the benefit is I get to use the addons in P3Dv2.

 

You could have titled the thread better. Telling people "don't install this or that" is...bossy?

I also don't see the droves of people complaining that addons aren't working like you're talking about. I see a lot of people complaining about the performance of vanilla P3Dv2 though. Two totally separate things.

I think maybe you should let customers that bought and paid for P3Dv2 use the product how they see fit. If there are loads of threads causing you to make this one telling people what to do, then don't participate in the threads.

Telling people how to act on forums or how to use their products won't do diddly.

Share this post


Link to post

Actually the benefit is I get to use the addons in P3Dv2.

 

You could have titled the thread better. Telling people "don't install this or that" is...bossy?

I also don't see the droves of people complaining that addons aren't working like you're talking about. I see a lot of people complaining about the performance of vanilla P3Dv2 though. Two totally separate things.

I think maybe you should let customers that bought and paid for P3Dv2 use the product how they see fit. If there are loads of threads causing you to make this one telling people what to do, then don't participate in the threads.

Telling people how to act on forums or how to use their products won't do diddly.

You are absolutely correct. It's you life jump off the cliff any time. But, don't complain about performance, CTD's and other errors until a product has been completely tested. Also, don't claim a product is working perfect by one persons observations and without a detailed process of verification.. Read the LM forums, its a total cluster bleep. No wunder beta releases are a mess.

Share this post


Link to post

Although this thread could of been titled better, there is most definitely some validity to ask users not to bash P3D on the basis of the performance of 3rd party addons.  It's pretty clear that in the case of scenery addons, there's a lot of new stuff going on - things are going to need to be optimized for P3D. 

 

It's interesting that no-one displays much negativity when an aircraft add-on isn't 100% compatible; there's no hostility, people simply shrug and accept it, choosing to move from or stick with FSX because their plane(s) of choice are or aren't available.  But I think because P3D looks like FSX, they get quite upset when they can't throw all their scenery enhancements (some of which only play nice together by drawing upon years of trial and error experience by developers) in and get better than FSX performance out of the box.

 

I do agree that this isn't fair.  Not to LM, who are actually trying hard to support their new release (if you haven't read the list of stuff being worked on for 2.1, go read it), nor to the 3rd party developers.

 

So everyone, take a breath - imagine you're switching platforms altogether.  Then when you try and install your FSX stuff in, perhaps you'll be that much more equipped to be both very excited when something does work, and not be so disappointed when it doesn't.

 

My only exception is going to be for developers who are claiming full P3D compatibility because they only change an installer to point to P3Dv2.  Installable does not mean fully compatible.  If I buy an add-on where it's claimed to be P3Dv2 compatible, and if I buy it because it's compatible, then yes, I'm going to be rightfully upset when it proves that it's not 100% the case.

Share this post


Link to post

For once I have to agree with Dillon. Mark that down. :) Prime example is the Majestic Q400. Claim were made it works great. I was having all kinds of CTD's when opening windows, changing liveries. So I check the Majestic forum. Yep, so much for that, all kinds of CTD's. Majestic confirmed it and has an update coming out for P3DV2. Another example is the AS Airbus EX and Twotter. Same thing and their still trying to get it correct. Ive got in the habit of checking the addon people website and asking.

 

You are absolutely correct. It's you life jump off the cliff any time. But, don't complain about performance, CTD's and other errors until a product has been completely tested. Also, don't claim a product is working perfect by one persons observations and without a detailed process of verification.. Read the LM forums, its a total cluster bleep. No wunder beta releases are a mess.

 

But who made those claims that all was great with certain addons only for you to find out that that wasn't the full story?  It certainly wasn't the skeptics, or the people arguing for transparency, or the ones who tried to push back against some of the hype in favor of a more sober assesment (in these last 10 or 11 days since release).  I see why you are agreeing with Dillon, but if you stop to think about it for a sec, I'm not sure you are not actually that far off from Styckx either, who is arguing for people to cool it down a little as far as the promotional stuff is concerned.

Share this post


Link to post

I was a little defensive at criticism the first few days.. It was new and there was definitely a few getting a little overly assuming when not a single person really knew anything yet.. We're over a week in now though and the painting is pretty well drawn and the people who contributed to that painting are a vast group of simmers.

 

You can't hide the facts, and you can't magically make the problems go away just to impress some pipe dream group of 'anti-P3D' critics.. The idea that there is some sort of illuminati group of FSX'ers and X-Plane users with some secret agenda to ruin P3D is ludicrous. 

Share this post


Link to post

But who made those claims that all was great with certain addons only for you to find out that that wasn't the full story?  It certainly wasn't the skeptics, or the people arguing for transparency, or the ones who tried to push back against some of the hype in favor of a more sober assesment (in these last 10 or 11 days since release).  I see why you are agreeing with Dillon, but I don't think you aren't actually that far off from Styckx either, who is arguing for people to cool it down a little as far as the promotional stuff is concerned.

 

J van E posts a thread he's "Back in Hell" and people jump on that like a fly on Sh^T...

 

A guy with a three monitor setup shows 17 frames per second and you use that as an example even though the OP clarified what was going on.

 

Next transparency is fine we now know FSX add-on's don't just work, they have to be compatible.  You have your transparency there.

 

Bottom line is vanilla P3D v2 performs pretty good for most.  Install some Carenado planes in the sim and your fine.  Most other stuff needs compatibility work.

 

All I'm 'asking' people to do is stop complaining if their going to put themselves out there by hack installing add-ons into P3D v2 and using old FSX tweaks that no longer apply then wondering why their 'BACK IN HELL' (sorry J van E but the title to your post applies here, not singling you out)...

Share this post


Link to post

A thread complaining about complainers.

It's never really worked...why would it now?

  • Upvote 1

Share this post


Link to post

I was a little defensive at criticism the first few days.. It was new and there was definitely a few getting a little overly assuming when not a single person really knew anything yet.. We're over a week in now though and the painting is pretty well drawn and the people who contributed to that painting are a vast group of simmers.

 

You can't hide the facts, and you can't magically make the problems go away just to impress some pipe dream group of 'anti-P3D' critics.. The idea that there is some sort of illuminati group of FSX'ers and X-Plane users with some secret agenda to ruin P3D is ludicrous. 

 

 

We all knew there would be growing pains from day one, what new software doesn't have issues initially.  I don't know about you but some were pushing back on the idea of embracing something new.  I said this before that I understand their position because after years of the hard work and patience to get FSX to a stable condition on their machines something like this isn't exactly good news for some.  Their in the position FS9 users were in for the last seven years if this is a success in the coming months. As far as the 'FSX Illuminati', I'll pass on commenting....  :ph34r:

A thread complaining about complainers.

It's never really worked...why would it now?

 

 

With the way things were sounding around here I began to wonder if people didn't realize the obvious.  It's not the sim so much as one wants to max out all the settings and use incompatible add-ons.  When that doesn't work the sim is trash.  I just thought I'd put a little food for thought out there...

Share this post


Link to post

It's pretty understandable when people put so much money into addons, but I do agree that we should be reasonable with our expectations. 

Share this post


Link to post

 

 

A guy with a three monitor setup shows 17 frames per second and you use that as an example even though the OP clarified what was going on.

 

 

I realize that when you used the word "you" you weren't probably talking about "me" in particular, but just for the record, I didn't give a fluff about his 18fps, or make any judgements about P3Dv2 based on his one screenshot, whatsoever.  

Share this post


Link to post

Well, I basically agree with following; bashing whole P3d v2 project (yeah, I think it's more like a project right now rather than a complete product) for compatibility issues of legacy FsX stuff is a bad attitude.

 

However, it's important that people try and see what's working and what's not, or making effort to make them work. Most of the time these complaints convince developers to update their products. I don't think PMDG would've decided so soon to make their products P3d compatible, if there weren't unhappy customers complaining and whining about it.

Share this post


Link to post

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
Sign in to follow this