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Hi there everyone,

 

I'm mostly a virtual GA pilot, usually flying single-engine aircraft and the occasional twin. However, every once in a while I get the urge to fly something bigger - not a 747, but rather a small airliner. However, I've been browsing for hours and am simply overwhelmed by all the possibilites.

 

So I'm looking for something that has a realistic flight model and not over-complicated systems that require hours to start up. I'm open to any suggestions, freeware or payware, as long as it's priced within reason. Not looking for hyper-realistic systems simulations, so I'd prefer not to pay PMDG level prices if there are other good choices around.

 

I should add that, since I also like classic aircraft, I've recently bought the Captain Sim 737 based on positive reviews and the reasonable price. It looks nice. Now I'm no pilot, but a moderate understanding of physics and common sense tells me that the flight model is completely off. It feels like the thing is strapped to a Saturn V, completely overpowered; and otherwise flies like  a glider with a broken rudder. I could be wrong of course, but it just doesn't feel realistic at all.

 

Cheers!

Steve

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I'd prefer jet/turbofan, but not ruling out turboprops in general. I already have the Aerosoft Twotter though, so it should be a step up in size from that.

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If you want a small airliner, check out the PMDG 737NGX. It's fantastic and it does flights as short as 30 minutes in the real world but is also capable of hauls 6+ hours in length.

 

I'm not sure if this is the size you were looking at, or more like a regional jet, let me know!

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I also recommend the PMDG NGX even though you say you don't want realistic overly complicated. It really isn't that complicated once you know the bird. 

 

Another option might be to check out the QualityWings Bae 146/Avro RJ. I don't have it, but they say it is very good - and not so complicated. 

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I agree with Vargveum on Quality Wings, and also you should really give the PMDG NGX a go. I guarantee you'll get your moneys worth out of it. Also the PMDG JS41 even though quite complicated is a great little regional turboprop.

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Another vote for the PMDG NGX. It's arguably the best aircraft addon ever produced.

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Another option might be to check out the QualityWings Bae 146/Avro RJ.

 

That one looks interesting, thanks! As for the PMDG 737, I have no doubt that it's one of the very best out there, but it's rather expensive and while a realistic flight model is important to me, I don't really need the FMC to be 100% like the real thing.

 

Thanks for all the suggestions so far! :lol:

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You can take a look at offerings from CLS/Just Flight, Quality Wings, and Overland.  They all have the simplified systems you're looking for.

Just keep in mind that the sound on some of the CLS planes don't seem to work properly in FSX.  They tried to fix this with service packs, but the end result is still not good.  After trying it out, it seems like they just removed the particular sound files that was causing issues.  So it sounds like something is missing. 

I replaced all the sounds with payware Turbine Sound Studios sound packs.

 

Just a heads up in case you decide to try out CLS.

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I'd love to have a 340.....but that VC looks like "pre-FSX".  If ONLY we could have a Saab 340 that has a realistic cockpit, my wallet would be wide open.

 

Stan

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I'm surprised nobody has recommended the Aerosoft Airbus X Extended. It would seem to fall into line with what you're looking for (more simplified, you can use the built-in checklists to even have the plane run through things on its own, etc.).

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Coolsky DC-9 (so under-rated...). A classic aeroplane. VOR/NDB navigation.

QW BAe-146/RJ. This covers a good range of technical advancement in navigation and FD/AP operation in one model.

Majestic DH8D. Almost jet performance. Start up is simple. Landing... not so much.

PMDG J41, but probably furthest from your requirements.

CLS MD-80 with a soundset added is not too shabby, especially if you grab it on sale. Least complicated of this lot, but I enjoyed it before the DC-9 came out.

 

Mike

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Aerosoft's Twin Otter might suit you. A nicely detailed little airliner that can go anywhere, and beautifully modeled too.

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Gotta mention the JS4100 again. It's the most rewarding to fly successfully, but admittedly can frustrate the most due to its quirks. Faster to pre-flight than the NGX yet more hands on. When you fly it correctly you feel like a true aviator, not a systems manager.

 

NGX is a classic though. I can't imagine FSX without it and probably fly it more than any other commercial plane I have... including the j41, unfortunately.

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The Twin Otter is fun to fly, and hand-flying it is realistic! 

 

Another one that might suit you is the Carenado B1900. It will configure it's auto-pilot right from FSX flight plans, so that part of the set-up is very easy.

 

If you like hand flying the plane, the PMDG NGX is not for you. It is set up to realistically simulate the modern, auto-pilot flown reality.

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One more vote for the QW RJ/146...sounds exactly what you are looking for, and you get 6 planes to choose from for the price of one, plus all the available repaints

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While you are casting your net widely, here's a few more small jets that haven't been mentioned:

Eaglesoft Citation X (bit small for an 'airliner' but then so is a Twotter!)

FeelThere Embraer Regional Jets (135/145)

FeelThere E-Jets 2 (175/195)

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There is a crj200 being developed, so far looks amazing. and there is a crj700/900 being developed. they are all work in progress

http://en.shop.aerosoft.com/eshop.php?action=article_detail&s_supplier_aid=10195&s_design=DEFAULT&shopfilter_category=flight%20simulation&s_language=english

 

 

https://www.facebook.com/CRJ2XX

 

EDIT: If you want to view photos of the crj900/700, then search in google images aerosoft crj900/700

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Though it might be a little pricier than you want to pay, consider the Milviz 737-200.

 

It's great for 'old school' flying and has excellent handling and dynamics.  It's also pretty easy on frame rates and it's my go-to aircraft for night flying as the instrument and panel lighting takes advantage of DX11 (provided you have a compatible card) and is superb.  They just released SP5 which fixes some lingering issues with the autopilot and autothrottle.  Some people are turned off by the well-worn look of the cockpit, but don't let that scare you.  It's a great flyer.

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Thanks again for all the responses! You guys are great.

 

I think I will narrow it down to the QW 146/Avro and the Airbus Extended (and possibly the Milviz 737). Althouwgh the Airbus is apparently a very complex aircraft, if it has the same checklist system as the Twotter that should make learning new systems much easier...

Overall I'm leaning toward the QW offering as it also offers multiple VC options, including an "all-analogue" one - I like that.

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