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How the frigging heck are they going to enforce that?!

 

More nonsense "look we're doing something" laws begging to get abused at will.

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How the frigging heck are they going to enforce that?!

 

More nonsense "look we're doing something" laws begging to get abused at will.

They already do enforce the law quite effectively actually.  Already a number of people have been prosecuted for abuse on Facebook and Twitter. They're just increasing the the prison term. It's even an offence to re-tweet abuse.

If you use either you really have to be careful about what you say nowadays.

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Two years in gaol? That seems harsh, considering that you can mug, burgle and kill people by dangerous/drunk diving and get away with a slapped wrist! <_<

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I'm sure next will be P.U.I. laws. Posting under the influence.

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They already do enforce the law quite effectively actually.  Already a number of people have been prosecuted for abuse on Facebook and Twitter.

 

I'm dubious. They might be able to do that in gated preserves like Facebook, but seriously enforcing that across the web? Good luck! (unless its so egregious as to be spectacularly criminal under other laws anyway!)

 

We have a troll/spam button here. Should Tom call the cops when its used?  :blink:

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I'm dubious. They might be able to do that in gated preserves like Facebook, but seriously enforcing that across the web? Good luck! (unless its so egregious as to be spectacularly criminal under other laws anyway!)

 

We have a troll/spam button here. Should Tom call the cops when its used?  :blink:

Don't be dubious! There have been quite a large number of prosecutions resulting from bad mouthing on Facebook. If someone here bad mouthed to level that attracts prosecution then yes he should!

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Anything that bad is already covered under existing laws.....

 

Anything else....... Well, good luck putting just about every YouTube comment troll on earth in jail. (for starters)

 

Hint: They're going to need more cops!

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There are not aiming to put every Youtube troll in jail, they are trying to reduce the number of highly personal and offensive attacks against individuals. In the UK they have been doing this for a while, a number of people have been prosecuted for hateful comments on Facebook memorial pages.

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I repeat then: a lot of people would be in jail if this was widely enforced. Have you ever been on the public channel of a MMO? Seen your average 200 page flame war? Played a FPS? Pretty much been almost anywhere on the web?

 

I think of things like this as "example legislation"

 

A few people get nabbed here and there as a warning, and pretty much everyone else ignores it. (speed enforcement)

 

Anything rising to the level of a true crime is already covered under other laws! (for instance, harassment laws)

 

Truthfully, I have heard/seen so much stuff that could be covered by this that I could probably single-handedly fill a prison. It would be a full time job!

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Think stalkers on the internet,, not random trolls on forums, Thats what they are going for.

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Think stalkers on the internet,, not random trolls on forums, Thats what they are going for.

 

Already covered. In the USA there is a fairly widespread belief that before writing up new laws, it might be more efficient to try enforcing the existing ones first. Nearly every state has laws that already cover this. Follow-on laws, I personally tend to think of as usually being a legislator (or a group of them) having some knee-jerk reaction to something in the news and coming up with something that's usually sloppy, unnecessary and open to unenforceably broad interpretation to look like they are "doing something"

 

"California stalking laws prohibit harassing or threatening another person to the point where that individual fears for his/her safety or the safety of his/her family.[1] When those threats or harassment are communicated via the Internet, e-mail, text messages, the phone (either cellular or a landline), a fax machine, a video message, or any other electronic device the crime is commonly referred to as "cyberstalking". ... "Cyberstalking" was officially prohibited in 1998 when the California Legislature amended Penal Code 646.9 stalking. The amendment changed the definition of "credible threat (one of the elements of the crime of stalking in California)...to include "electronically communicated" threats.

 

 

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The article is about UK law not US, perhaps you should read the article

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What has happened to people? Where I come from if someone talks bad about you and you take issue with it, you go and settle it like a man not go cry about it.

If someone is a jerk on the internet I just blow it off as its probably some fat guy living in his moms basement with doritos chunks all over his face. And hes just mad because the closest he's got to first base is when his mom used to kiss him goodnight.

I don't understand why on earth words hurt people so much these days, they are just words.

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I get that cyber bullying is a crime (at least here in the US), however thankfully we have the 1st amendment where our legal system is not allowed to arrest us and charge us with a crime if we are speaking our minds, the only way around this is if the person in question was making physical threats to another persons safety. Seems like if someone in the UK does not like what you typed you can go to jail for speaking your mind, or at least this is what I have seen from that article.

For the record I am NOT supportive of cyber bullying at all, however I do agree with my 1st amendment rights, this would make that british law illegal over here, but we are not talking about US law here, so I wish people in the UK all the best with this new law. I do wonder though if the UK is like the US in the fact that if you go to prison and when you are released is it near impossible to get a decent job like it is here in the US? 

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 Seems like if someone in the UK does not like what you typed you can go to jail for speaking your mind, or at least this is what I have seen from that article.

 

 

No its not about speaking your mind. If I say something bad about someone that is true then that's fine. But if I slander and libel someone by any means that against the law. If I continue unabated in such a vein then that is harassment or even stalking. If I unjustifiably foment hatred against someone then that also is against the law.

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The article is about UK law not US, perhaps you should read the article

That would be why I specifically said "In the USA" though even in the UK, your malicious communications act covers much of this already.

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No its not about speaking your mind. If I say something bad about someone that is true then that's fine. But if I slander and libel someone by any means that against the law. If I continue unabated in such a vein then that is harassment or even stalking. If I unjustifiably foment hatred against someone then that also is against the law.

 

Slander in the US is also illegal however proving that what someone said is slanderous can be quite a legal undertaking and its generally not criminal unless warranted by other actions (I am no legal expert/lawyer) this is just what I have learned over the years. I also wonder just how strictly this new punishment will be upheld though (I am not talking about the enforcement of the law, just the sentencing aspect of it).

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Hey Spartan,

 

I am Canadian, but I think Europeans are more sophisticated when it comes to crime and punishment. I think there is a bigger redemption component in their justice system. We're mostly about retribution. Please correct me if I'm off base.

 

This is a very hard subject. On the one hand, we don't want our freedom limited. But what about the families of kids who committed suicide because somebody decided to circulate humiliating material? To me, that's manslaughter. To the justice system, unfortunately it probably isn't. But how do you effectively punish people such as they?

 

 

Graham

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Seems like if someone in the UK does not like what you typed you can go to jail for speaking your mind, or at least this is what I have seen from that article.

 

Its already happened in a way. A teen in the UK was arrested for essentially being the type of  total jerk you can find a thousand examples of without even trying on a daily basis. Which goes back to what I said about broad laws open to interpretation and having to put half the internet in jail. Wheres the definitive line between a obnoxious jerk and a crime?

 

Wherever an individual prosecutor thinks it is? If a person is being specifically targeted in a particularly egregious way, there are already laws, even in the UK.

 

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2012/jul/31/teenager-arrested-tweets-tom-daley

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Yeah well it seems that if the middle class people are abused then they are quick to stamp on it but they make a load excuses or totally ignore nuisance antisocial neighbours making people's life's hell. People in those situation are identified as low class.

I know a number of people going through it with great stress. If they want help they have to amass tons of proof that could take years, then they have to bring it to court in private prosecutions.

 

Always a politician there looking after the middle classes.

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Hey Spartan,

 

I am Canadian, but I think Europeans are more sophisticated when it comes to crime and punishment. I think there is a bigger redemption component in their justice system. We're mostly about retribution. Please correct me if I'm off base.

 

This is a very hard subject. On the one hand, we don't want our freedom limited. But what about the families of kids who committed suicide because somebody decided to circulate humiliating material? To me, that's manslaughter. To the justice system, unfortunately it probably isn't. But how do you effectively punish people such as they?

 

 

Graham

 

I follow what you are saying and quite honestly there is no clear cut answer that will work in our world, it might work on paper but paper is just that. My biggest concern here in the US at least is that once you have a criminal record, getting back on your feet is supposedly harder than taking a Cessna 172 up in the middle of the day during the summer in Phoenix Arizona.

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I follow what you are saying and quite honestly there is no clear cut answer that will work in our world, it might work on paper but paper is just that.

 

It can also be a slippery slope. I don't support bullying obviously, but I also don't support incremental steps that if not considered very carefully can and have (in some countries) eventually inched towards broader and broader government control of speech of all sorts.

 

 

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Anything rising to the level of a true crime is already covered under other laws! (for instance, harassment laws)

 

I lean towards your point of view.

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