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First experience with 4K monitor

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ok - got my Samsung 28" HD monitor last night and set it up. Mixed emotions so far.

 

Native res is 3820x2160. First observation is the the picture is fantastic but there are a few issues.

 

I run a multi monitor system and have two GTX780's in SLI - second monitor is a 28" HannsG native at 1920x1200. My first issue is that the men items in P3D are so small at 3820 that with my old eyes it is difficult to see. Changed the DPI scaling to help but then the second monitor text gets huge. SO that will be my first hurdle.

 

Without changing any settings in P3D or NVidia CP I started up P3D and immediately flew into IMC - I'm locked at 22fps but I was having a hard time maintaining that. To be fair to the monitor, I am running some high settings and I have 4SGSS set in NVI.

 

IAC, I'm pretty sure I'll need to adjust my settings as far as AA goes but so far my report card for this experiment is

 

Picture quality a BIG A++

 

Performance a big C

 

but this is straight out of the box with my usual non HD settings.

 

Time will tell( quickly) if I keep I or return it.

 

Vic

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I'd personally dump the HD monitor and get a 32" HD TV screen and run it with an HDMI cable.  I have multiple setup as well and use 17" Acer monitor for second.  Both have separate settings.   Do yourself a favor and get the cataract surgery.  I did.   :lol:  

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....Do yourself a favor and get the cataract surgery.  I did.     

 

 

No way

Do NOT get the eye surgery, then you can turn Off the AA and you will not know the diff

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I'd personally dump the HD monitor and get a 32" HD TV screen 

NO!

 

 

A typical TV for use as a monitor SUCKS. Do NOT bother with TVs with monitors.

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I think a 27" 2560x1440 monitor is the perfect balance of performance/resolution.

4K is a bit overkill for today's hardware combined with FSX

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I use a 40" LCD TV, and I find it too small... Don't know how you guys cope with those tiny screens.  :)

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LOL! I already had the eye surgery. I can see the tiny text but it's a pita. Anyhow it's a moot point, packed it up and returning to Amazon.

 

I got it to work just fine. What surprised me is that I installed the 344.60 drivers and reset the P3D profile and left everything at default - it was fantastic visually!

 

However the big downside for me - I started to get OOM's and I have RARELY had one in either FSX or P3D. Also the multi monitor scaling is troublesome to me.

 

Lot's of plusses for the 4K but, IMHO, not enough to overcome the negatives - at least as far as FSX and/or P3D go.

 

I've got 2 28" and a 22" so I'm not hurting for monitors but this 4K one just didn't do it for me.

 

YMMV,

 

Vic

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NO!

 

 

A typical TV for use as a monitor SUCKS. Do NOT bother with TVs with monitors.

Wow, what a blanket statement. If by typical TV you are referring to a 1984 RCA 19" CRT, then yes, that would suck as a PC monitor.

 

HDTVs are very capable nowadays to serve as a PC monitor. I use a Samsung UN46ES6003 1080P HDTV and it excels at it. Of course I am not sitting 2 feet from the screen, as I would if it were a 27" monitor.

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NO!

 

 

A typical TV for use as a monitor SUCKS. Do NOT bother with TVs with monitors.

 

I don't understand why people keep saying this. I use an HDTV via HDMI at 1920 x 1080 as a monitor and the image quality is excellent. I use this setup for both a development workstation and my simming machine. The quality rivals my other PC monitors. Seems a few people can't get this to work and go around telling everybody else that it doesn't work. Well that's just horse pucks! :lol:

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A 4K is really just a 1080 as far as visual real estate is concerned.

FSX/P3D may adjust for just a wee bit more coverage but it is not 4X

 

It does however have 4 pixels to the one making for finer detail on the same picture square area

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Wow, what a blanket statement. If by typical TV you are referring to a 1984 RCA 19" CRT, then yes, that would suck as a PC monitor.

 

HDTVs are very capable nowadays to serve as a PC monitor. I use a Samsung UN46ES6003 1080P HDTV and it excels at it. Of course I am not sitting 2 feet from the screen, as I would if it were a 27" monitor.

Efrain! Good to see you back.

 

Well the reason I said that was because I used to use a TV as a monitor. I hated the experience. 

 

I don't understand why people keep saying this. I use an HDTV via HDMI at 1920 x 1080 as a monitor and the image quality is excellent. I use this setup for both a development workstation and my simming machine. The quality rivals my other PC monitors. Seems a few people can't get this to work and go around telling everybody else that it doesn't work. Well that's just horse pucks! :lol:

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Efrain! Good to see you back.

 

Well the reason I said that was because I used to use a TV as a monitor. I hated the experience.

 

Nice to see you too,brother!

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Native res is 3820x2160. First observation is the the picture is fantastic but there are a few issues.

 

 

 


To be fair to the monitor, I am running some high settings and I have 4SGSS set in NVI.

 

Vic, you should not need any SGSS with a 4K monitor (in theory).

Try it with just X2 or X4 MSAA.

You should get quite a few frames back.

 

Also Win8 scales 4K menu/desktop text etc much better than Win7, I read.

 

gb

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I use a 58 inch Panasonic TV 4K TV as a display with Display Port, and I LOVE IT.   I use two titans GPUS in SLI to drive it.  There is a monitor mode that removes any and all post processing.

 

Display port is the only format right now that can do 4K at 60fps, HDMI2 can as well, but the titan doesn't support it.  The new 900 series Nvidia cards may be different.

 

I think the OP is using too high an AA setting, more resolutions means you can probably turn down AA quite a bit.

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I was able to customize a res of 3168x1782 which I sometimes use when needed and this increases my fluidity and fps significantly although not by a tremendous amount

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Dell U3011 @ 2560x1600 is still the best FS option imho... 

 

I have to agree.  A "4K" 3840x2160 TV (actually UHD, true 4K is 4096x2160) has just over twice the pixel count of the U3011 at 2560x1600.  I am able to keep my nose comfortably above the water w/r/t frame rates on the U3011...it seems likely that even a strong cutting-edge machine with an overclocked 980 might be struggling to keep frame rates acceptable at double the frame size.  I also like the more vertically-spatious 16:10 AR better than 16:9 for simming, although a 55" UHD TV at normal monitor sitting distance (~3 feet) might change that.

 

I've seen a couple folks recently suggest that AA isn't as important, and can be turned down at the higher res...I don't follow that argument.  A jaggy is still a jaggy--the only way I can imagine higher res reducing the need for AA is if the viewing distance is increased to the point where the eye's resolution can no longer perceive the fine detail, so the smaller jaggies blend in.  But for close-in use, where the increased resolution is used to expand the FOV, AA is still just as important as it has always been, and AA/AF on close to 8 megapixels per frame is a heapin' helpin' of workload for the video card.

 

Regards

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I use a 58 inch Panasonic TV 4K TV as a display with Display Port, and I LOVE IT.   I use two titans GPUS in SLI to drive it.  There is a monitor mode that removes any and all post processing.

 

Display port is the only format right now that can do 4K at 60fps, HDMI2 can as well, but the titan doesn't support it.  The new 900 series Nvidia cards may be different.

 

I think the OP is using too high an AA setting, more resolutions means you can probably turn down AA quite a bit.

I'm thinking of using a 55" Samsung 4K curved TV with a GTX780C 6GB and a second 19" touchscreen.  Are you ONLY using the tv or are you driving another monitor, too?

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I just connected a 4xHD 49'' TV to my simulator, and fly it at the nominal 3850*2160 resolution. Graphics card is Geforce 660 GTX 2Mb.

In one word mind blowing !!

As well the VC's as the 3D world look outstanding, extremely sharp and crispy. Performance in P3D is top class and better than in FSX.

I am totally sold to this setup, I enjoy simflying more than ever!

 

Jan

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I want to clarify one issue about my problem with 4K monitor.

 

The visuals were exceptional! My problem stemmed from the fact that I have two monitors - the 4K at 3860 and another at 1920.

 

The issue was text scaling - even with 20/20 vision the text size on the 4K was very difficult to read but the problem was that when I scaled up the text size on the 4K - Windows 7 automatically scaled it up on the 1920, thus making the second monitor text very large.

 

If I wanted to buy TWO 4K units - the problem wouldn't be there - I also understand that Windows 8.1 and Windows 10 support individual scaling of monitors - however I'm not ready to switch OS yet.

 

SO, to clarify - if you only run 1 monitor - the image quality on a 4K is great. I left all Nvidia settings at default - no AA, etc - not a jaggy in sight. Beautiful.

 

Vic

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