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VATSIM : Is it that Crowded every Sunday evening?

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Hi All,

Recently i joined VATSIM and i wasn't satisfied with the amount of traffic and online ATC(comparing to IVAO),but tonight(at the moment that i'm typing this new topic),VATSIM is rocking!!! i actually didn't understand that what was the exact reason for this.
Wanted to ask from you pros at PMDG and other,that is every sunday eve this crowded in VATSIM?!

p.s. sorry for posting this topic here,but the last vatsim related topic was inactive and VATSIM part of the avsim comm was sleep.

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Answer is simple - this is weekend :) Both networks (VATSIM and IVAO) are quite crowded, especially afternoons and early nights at Fridays, Saturdays and Sundays. To be honest they should be join to one network, but it is only my dream. Try to imagine 2000 pilots and hundreds of controllers together, not only during annual Crowded Skies events...

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I flew into KORD yesterday and it was pretty busy.  I saw 5 aircraft parked at the C gates, which suprised me.   I also think when the weather isn't that great it draws people.  KORD was getting snow, which did make it fun.

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I also think when the weather isn't that great it draws people.

 

That's definitely true. I've been controlling Washington Center with a hurricane coming up the coast and there are usually more people on.

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That's definitely true. I've been controlling Washington Center with a hurricane coming up the coast and there are usually more people on.

Yeah...during Sandy I was looking out the window of my house watching the rain go sideways and flying into IAD.  I then popped up to JFK.  It was pretty ridiculous but loads of fun.

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Yeah...during Sandy I was looking out the window of my house watching the rain go sideways and flying into IAD.  I then popped up to JFK.  It was pretty ridiculous but loads of fun.

 

I probably talked to you at some point then. I remember being on for Sandy and a few others.

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I was about to start a new topic in Avsim titled "I am having a Ball" but I will just do it here. I have been simming since 2002 and recently joined Avsim. I can't for the life of me figure out why it took so long. I had been getting bored with FSX and this has kicked it ten for. I flew my first couple of flights with my NGX this past weekend using current plans from Flightaware. I need to updated my Nav info and will but it is close. I am also looking into PFPX and TOPCAT. Not sure if I will be getting TOPCAT due to finances. Saturday I flew from my home KCMH to KCVG in my T210 and had controllers from start up to shut down. I did not ever think I would see a controller at KCMH as it is not close to what you would call any type of HUB. I am continually surprised at how realistic this is. I was told by center on my way to KMIA to descend and cross a certain waypoint at and maintain 13,000. That is real world flight. Gave me Goosebumps as tried my best with speed brakes all out and dropping like a rock after I delayed my decent too long and realized that my cruise was too high (But I made it). Too Kool!!

 

My only fear is that the only thing that I will get done is flying lol.    

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Had the opportunity to fly online for the first time in a very long while over the festive season and I did manage to get quite a bit of ATC in some areas.   Was a bit rusty since I don't get to fly online so much these days anymore, but whenever I do, it just lifts the realism another few notches which I always appreciate.

 

I remember that I always use to fly a nice ten or eleven hour long haul flight from say FAOR to EGLL and timed it to descend and land into EGLL at around 19H00 - 20H00 GMT on Saturdays and Sundays and it used to be a high activity time, ATC firing instructions to all the different aircraft, almost like the real airspace in and around EGLL.   What made it even more demanding and more fun, was that EGLL was just one of many airports which would be brimmed with traffic and the centre controllers were having a great time with all the traffic.   Miss that a lot!

 

What I used to really enjoy also were the flights in Concorde from EGLL to KJFK and back.   Man, sometimes KJFK traffic was crazy and the ATC did an excellent job in slowing us down and getting us into patterns for landing.   

 

Okay, okay enough of this - I might just have to go and fire up an online flight right now lol!

 

Kind regards.

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Thank you all for being so much kind and giving me (us) your opinions! would consider these next time when i'm planning to perform an online flight,thanks again;still will be glad to share your experiences and impressions from VATSIM,IVAO and other online flying networks.

Best Regards

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Depends also where you fly, VATSIM is busier with aircraft over North America vs IVAO has more aircraft over Europe.

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Yes, it would be beneficial to everyone if they merged networks!

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Yes, it would be beneficial to everyone if they merged networks!

 

If you read into the history of the two networks that will never happen. Satco was the older and only network until its BOG had several disagreements which resulted in the formation of VATSIM and I

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If you read into the history of the two networks that will never happen. Satco was the older and only network until its BOG had several disagreements which resulted in the formation of VATSIM and I

Yeah :huh:  Welcome on planet Earth... :blush:

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If you read into the history of the two networks that will never happen. Satco was the older and only network until its BOG had several disagreements which resulted in the formation of VATSIM and I

 

That's really two bad- sounds like those people need to get with the program. It's all about accurate and realistic coverage, and bringing traffic levels up. 

 

Although, I have my beefs with VATSIM as well... 

1) no voice unicom. That's... strange.

2) and why do I have to contact NY_APP to get "taxi clearance" from a class D airport, or takeoff clearance. I should get a simple hold for release, or void time-if-not-off-by, just like in the real world if the class D tower was closed.

 

PilotEdge is well worth it! 

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That's really two bad- sounds like those people need to get with the program. It's all about accurate and realistic coverage, and bringing traffic levels up. 

 

Although, I have my beefs with VATSIM as well... 

1) no voice unicom. That's... strange.

2) and why do I have to contact NY_APP to get "taxi clearance" from a class D airport, or takeoff clearance. I should get a simple hold for release, or void time-if-not-off-by, just like in the real world if the class D tower was closed.

 

PilotEdge is well worth it! 

Yes the no voice unicom is slightly strange but I understand the reasoning behind it. Not all pilots are capable of receiving voice coms so if someone is broadcasting all their intentions on voice then there will be some pilots who cannot hear that information.

 

As for your second point I guess it depends on what time it is and the ARTCC SOPs are. I am a controller for the Miami ARTCC and our policy says that whatever the airport's real life hours are is when we will serve the airport. So, for example, Albert Whitted Field (KSPG) in St. Petersburg is a Class D in the Tampa TRACON and the tower is only open from 0700-2100 local time so between 2100-0700 if someone flies out of there they will not have ATC service until they come into the Class B.

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Yes the no voice unicom is slightly strange but I understand the reasoning behind it. Not all pilots are capable of receiving voice coms so if someone is broadcasting all their intentions on voice then there will be some pilots who cannot hear that information.

 

As for your second point I guess it depends on what time it is and the ARTCC SOPs are. I am a controller for the Miami ARTCC and our policy says that whatever the airport's real life hours are is when we will serve the airport. So, for example, Albert Whitted Field (KSPG) in St. Petersburg is a Class D in the Tampa TRACON and the tower is only open from 0700-2100 local time so between 2100-0700 if someone flies out of there they will not have ATC service until they come into the Class B.

Ah that does make sense- accessibility is always a good thing. 

 

Thanks for the tip. I had an interesting situation where I was actually with a student and chose to use VATSIM out of DXR. The standard IFR stuff that happens is a left turn to CMK with an initial climb to 3000ft. We took off and contacted NY inbound to carmel... the controller really got on our case about departing without a clearance, even though we were still in VFR conditions. I mean, got on our case to the point where it was a little theatrical, and it seemed he was "trying to be VERY New York."

 

In other cases- it has been welcome to get services/separation services all the way to an instrument approach to a satellite airport. I'm always amazed at how you guys are able to be familiar with so many places and still keep "the picture." 

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I am also looking into PFPX and TOPCAT. Not sure if I will be getting TOPCAT due to finances.

 

If finances are tight you might consider buying TOPCAT and using Simbrief for flight planning. It's a free online OFP service that does most of what PFPX gives you. You could always get PFPX later if you feel the need. The only important thing Simbrief doesn't do is plan a route. However it will suggest a route if other users have entered that airport pair. If no route is suggested (often several variations come up) then I use routefinder to find one.

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If finances are tight you might consider buying TOPCAT and using Simbrief for flight planning. It's a free online OFP service that does most of what PFPX gives you. You could always get PFPX later if you feel the need. The only important thing Simbrief doesn't do is plan a route. However it will suggest a route if other users have entered that airport pair. If no route is suggested (often several variations come up) then I use routefinder to find one.

Yeah, this is what I use and never needed anything else!    Simbrief is actually an incredible utility and it is free of charge.

 

Kind regards

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Thanks for the tip. I had an interesting situation where I was actually with a student and chose to use VATSIM out of DXR. The standard IFR stuff that happens is a left turn to CMK with an initial climb to 3000ft. We took off and contacted NY inbound to carmel... the controller really got on our case about departing without a clearance, even though we were still in VFR conditions. I mean, got on our case to the point where it was a little theatrical, and it seemed he was "trying to be VERY New York."

 

He was talking about a takeoff clearance. DXR is a towered field. You need a takeoff clearance whether the conditions are terrible, or you can see clear over to Nantucket.

 

It usually depends on the level and experience of controller, though. I used to get pretty upset when people did things without my instruction when it was required and only a tower controller, but over time I stopped caring unless it's my main three (IAD, DCA, BWI).

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He was talking about a takeoff clearance. DXR is a towered field. You need a takeoff clearance whether the conditions are terrible, or you can see clear over to Nantucket.

 

It usually depends on the level and experience of controller, though. I used to get pretty upset when people did things without my instruction when it was required and only a tower controller, but over time I stopped caring unless it's my main three (IAD, DCA, BWI).

Oh yes of course. After his tirade, explaining that I'd get clearance from the tower, and not approach (him)- and thinking this is how it worked in our pretend vatsim world, didn't allay his irritation. Oh well... it was just the timing (and his trying to be "new york"), and I had a student with me paying god knows what for PCATD time. 

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If finances are tight you might consider buying TOPCAT and using Simbrief for flight planning. It's a free online OFP service that does most of what PFPX gives you. You could always get PFPX later if you feel the need. The only important thing Simbrief doesn't do is plan a route. However it will suggest a route if other users have entered that airport pair. If no route is suggested (often several variations come up) then I use routefinder to find one.

 

Kevin: Simbrief is awesome! Thank You. I flew with it a few times yesterday. I do have a question about the Airac cycles. Are they just for use in Simbrief or is there a way to download the free cycle to my FMS? I can not find one and 1303 is two years earlier than what I have. 

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Kevin: Simbrief is awesome! Thank You. I flew with it a few times yesterday. I do have a question about the Airac cycles. Are they just for use in Simbrief or is there a way to download the free cycle to my FMS? I can not find one and 1303 is two years earlier than what I have. 

 

There's no way to download the cycle to the FMS. They're completely different data sets anyway.

 

Simbrief gives you a free cycle for signing up (if I recall correctly, it's super old, but it'll get you started). Updating it is just like updating your FMC data. If you have Navigraph data, click over to manual install on the website, and then scroll down in the list (as if you were updating your FMC data) and look for Simbrief. Download the file (it's just a text file) and in there will be a code to unlock the current AIRAC on Simbrief.

 

I believe the manager tool will be able to do this for you, too, but I don't remember specifically.

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There's no way to download the cycle to the FMS. They're completely different data sets anyway.

 

Simbrief gives you a free cycle for signing up (if I recall correctly, it's super old, but it'll get you started). Updating it is just like updating your FMC data. If you have Navigraph data, click over to manual install on the website, and then scroll down in the list (as if you were updating your FMC data) and look for Simbrief. Download the file (it's just a text file) and in there will be a code to unlock the current AIRAC on Simbrief.

 

I believe the manager tool will be able to do this for you, too, but I don't remember specifically.

Thanks Kyle. That is what I thought. I do not have a Navigraph subscription yet. Should be getting it next week. Just wondering if there was something I was missing (Not that I ever do) in the meantime. 

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Thanks Kyle. That is what I thought. I do not have a Navigraph subscription yet. Should be getting it next week. Just wondering if there was something I was missing (Not that I ever do) in the meantime. 

 

Welcome! It's well worth it, honestly (regardless of providers, though in full disclosure, I use Navigraph).

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Oh yes of course. After his tirade, explaining that I'd get clearance from the tower, and not approach (him)- and thinking this is how it worked in our pretend vatsim world, didn't allay his irritation. Oh well... it was just the timing (and his trying to be "new york"), and I had a student with me paying god knows what for PCATD time. 

 

I didn't see this quite so 'clearly' mentioned, so I just thought I'd point it out - the trick with facilities on VATSIM is to think in terms of 'hierarchy' of control - if NY APP is on, but DXR tower is not and DXR is within NY APP's area of operation - then APP will control all the 'lower' facilities (twr, gnd, del, as appropriate) for airports within its area of operation. This, of course, is up to the controller and their workload for their "primary" position, but that's why the APP controller had a cow (and unfortunately some guys can be a little rough on VATSIM "newbies", which is just to the detriment of the network as a whole!)

 

These days on VATSIM, if I'm not sure whether someone's controlling a facility I'm at I'll just ask. Better clarifying than getting the ol' New York Treatment you were privy to! ;)

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