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GA Aircraft - Carenado IMO does not have any competition

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Hi, I was looking through quite a bit of payware GA Aircraft and there is no comparison. I looked at 8-10 different companies and they don't come close to Carenado.

This is not true as you know with FSX/P3D.  My primary goal was to compare the VC's, not the exterior model, or any implied flight dynamics.

 

Am I missing something?

 

Bob

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As far as looks not really

 

Goran of Leading Edge Simulations did a lovely Beech Duchess and Sundowner - should be over at X Aviation. There's a decent MU-2 as well.

 

Aerobask has a decent Lancair FG

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Have you looked at RealAir?  Also, Milviz and A2A are stepping in with beautiful planes and deep systems.  While A2A doesn't have the breadth of GA, their quality on what they do have and are doing is substantially superior.  These aren't skins on default functionality.  These are airplanes that have serious depth.  From all indications Milviz's King Air will be far, far superior to Carenado's.

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Have you looked at RealAir?  Also, Milviz and A2A are stepping in with beautiful planes and deep systems.  While A2A doesn't have the breadth of GA, their quality on what they do have and are doing is substantially superior.  These aren't skins on default functionality.  These are airplanes that have serious depth.  From all indications Milviz's King Air will be far, far superior to Carenado's.

 

Someone didn't spot this was a X-Plane thread!  :lol:   ...just kidding Gregg, I didn't at first either.

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Someone didn't spot this was a X-Plane thread! :lol: ...just kidding Gregg, I didn't at first either.

 

There's no :facepalm: so I'll have to settle for :Doh: !

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Hi, thanks Ryan I will check out these other 3rd party dev's which were not mentioned on the site I was on. thanks.

As far as RealAir, A2A and Milviz, then of course,  if they had something for x-plane but nothing yet. I am well aware of the big guys with FSX and their reputation will move right in with x-plane. I wish they would.

 

Bob 

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I have all of Carenado/Alabeo's X-Plane products, my favourites being the caravan and the C172RG. The quality has recently improved a lot and the V3 versions are fantastic, and IMO, beat the FSX versions. I religiously collect all of their stuff and I'm never disappointed.

 

If you are only checking the store at x-plane.org, you will be missing out on some other great planes. Look at the Saab over at x-aviation.com, etc.. Additionally, if you like helicopters, Dreamfoil's stuff is absolutely fantastic and (IMO) hasn't yet been beaten. The Bell 407 is beautifully modelled, and the sounds are fantastic.

 

I also wish RealAir and A2A would start making stuff for X-Plane, but IMO, I think they're missing out and others have and will step up to take their place. Maybe once PMDG is out on X-Plane, some other FSX big players will follow over. 

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Hey Tony, thanks for the input. I really like Carenado, but love RealAir and A2A. It's all about the numbers and return on investment. Not sure if the numbers will ever get there for RealAir or A2A to feel comfortable, but it would be nice for sure.

 

bob

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Well, I think the vFlyteAir planes are quite nice as well.

I looked at their planes and although they look pretty good, the VC has some areas that are just not convincing enough.

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I looked at their planes and although they look pretty good, the VC has some areas that are just not convincing enough.

Well, in the graphics and sound department they can not quite keep up with Carenado, but they compensate it with their flight behaviour.

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Flight Dynamics are important I agree. I guess what I am saying is that I am already pretending I am flying, so it is critical that what I am seeing looks as real as it can be. 

So for me, I'm out with these guys, unless they can improve the reality of the cockpit.

 

Bob

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Well, in the graphics and sound department they can not quite keep up with Carenado, but they compensate it with their flight behaviour.

 

Do they implement some kind of countermeasure against the exaggerated torque effects in X-Plane? All new releases and all the update v3 versions of Carenado aircraft come with special scripts to fix this long-standing X-Plane bug. As soon as I try a plane from some other developer, I feel like i'm riding a unicycle because I constantly have to compensate with aileron trim and controller input.

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Do they implement some kind of countermeasure against the exaggerated torque effects in X-Plane? All new releases and all the update v3 versions of Carenado aircraft come with special scripts to fix this long-standing X-Plane bug. As soon as I try a plane from some other developer, I feel like i'm riding a unicycle because I constantly have to compensate with aileron trim and controller input.

 

Well, my F33 v3 still has exaggerated torque effect it seems to me, but not what I experienced with the previous version of the same plane. Geez, I thought it had something to do with how the joy and pedals were being managed my XPX. Nice to know it is a bug. You would think that they would have allowed some form of temp adjustment even it it was in the controller/equipment page within the simulator until they were able to get it fixed for good. 

 

Bob

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Do they implement some kind of countermeasure against the exaggerated torque effects in X-Plane? All new releases and all the update v3 versions of Carenado aircraft come with special scripts to fix this long-standing

Well, the Grumman Traveler has, when you start, a much stronger torque effect than the C172 v3, but this was one of several reasons why the traveler never had the remarkable success that the C-172 had It reacts much faster than the C-172 but it had some nasty surprises during start and landing for newbies. So flight schools tended to buy more C-172 while the trainer might have favored the Traveler. In cruise flight the traveler has no torque issues. The Piper Archer III is IMHO one of the planes with the best handling under X-Plane (including v3 Carenados!). A real Piper Archer pilot claimed that this plane now handles exactly like his real plane.

 Nice to know it is a bug. You would think that they would have allowed some form of temp adjustment even

Nope, it isn't recognized as a bug, but X-Plane now has tools that allow developers to fine tune their aircrafts with overrides directly..

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Well, the Grumman Traveler has, when you start, a much stronger torque effect than the C172 v3, but this was one of several reasons why the traveler never had the remarkable success that the C-172 had It reacts much faster than the C-172 but it had some nasty surprises during start and landing for newbies. So flight schools tended to buy more C-172 while the trainer might have favored the Traveler. In cruise flight the traveler has no torque issues. The Piper Archer III is IMHO one of the planes with the best handling under X-Plane (including v3 Carenados!). A real Piper Archer pilot claimed that this plane now handles exactly like his real plane.

 

I agree, the Archer is a joy to fly!  I just wish it had a GPS.  Is there any way to use a GPS with it in X-plane. maybe via a pull down menu or something?

 

Rob

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Nope, it isn't recognized as a bug, but X-Plane now has tools that allow developers to fine tune their aircrafts with overrides directly..

 

Basically, X-Plane recreates torque (rolling motion) realistically. It just doesn't simulate all of the forces which over ride the roll tendency to the left in flight, or by the time you lift off the runway. Carenado airplanes reduce the torque effects to start with, as a measure to correct, until the sim is corrected itself.  In the meantime there are those scripts as mentioned, which were released last year.

 

I have the F33, but need to reinstall, as I only briefly used it with my previous computer setup. Geoff Applegate, who use to be on these forums as a regular, said the Carenado F33 for X-Plane was one of the best X-Planes he owned, with some preference over the FSX version. He owned a real life single engine Beech for quite a while, as well as a twin Baron.

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Hey Larry,

 

What happened to Geoff? I always liked reading his insites into Flight sim stuff. Especially when you and he would get into debating flight sim physics and how its represented in Flight sims. Always very interesting and educational. I remenber you both from the Sieirra Pro Pilot days on Compuserve.  I haven seen anything from him in a long time.

I hope hes doing well. 

 

Rob

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Hey Larry,

 

What happened to Geoff? I always liked reading his insites into Flight sim stuff. Especially when you and he would get into debating flight sim physics and how its represented in Flight sims. Always very interesting and educational. I remenber you both from the Sieirra Pro Pilot days on Compuserve.  I haven seen anything from him in a long time.

I hope hes doing well. 

 

Rob

Said he was leaving one day, and did. Last I've heard from him.

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Said he was leaving one day, and did. Last I've heard from him.

Hope he is OK. He was a huge contributor.

 

Bob

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If we're just talking about the 3D cockpit quality, then I think some of the planes over at X-Aviation (from various authors) have cockpits that rival what Carenado is doing. It's just that their GA stuff is a bit more off the beaten path, like the MU-2.

 

I have the Mitsubishi MU-2 and LES DC-3, and I'll probably pick up the Beech Mentor T34 at some point. 

 

If you're into helicopters, there are several with great cockpits. I've been flying the BK117 for a while, and I just got the Bell 412 and starting to come to grips with it.

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Yes, the MU-2 is one of my favorites.  It's good that some of these authors provide us with a wide range of different aircraft.  One can only fly so many minor variations of Cessnas and Pipers.

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I have been eyeing that Saab 340 from LES for a while now...the price tag has been the only reason I haven't pulled the trigger.

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I have been eyeing that Saab 340 from LES for a while now...the price tag has been the only reason I haven't pulled the trigger.

 

We've had a couple of sales, the most recent one on Black Friday, where the Saab was about 30% off.  Keep an eye out for those.

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