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Hello!

I would like to kindly ask if somebody knows an ATC addon (pay or free) that can be installed and controlled from a networked client.

I have Radar Contact and ATCPRO-X, but they both shows on the main FSX pc and can be controlled only from the main FSX pc.

I just would like to read and answer/control the ATC from the client pc.

 

Thanks a lot!

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PROATC-X can be used in a network configuration. It connects through the SimConnect client. Do you already use a network configuration for something like Active Sky?

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yes and the connection with ASN works.

i meant PROATC-X, sorry, i mistyped.

well, as i was saying i have it and it is not controlled from the client, nor you can read the atc from there.

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Profight Emulator (PFE) can be networked, in fact some of it's features like remote text, can't be used unless you have it networked. It's an older program though so it does it with Peter Dowson's WideFS not Simconnect. I'm not 100% sure, but I think Radar Contact as well as VOXATC also support Networked client installations. (Someone correct me if I'm wrong)

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again, yes, RC and VOXATC do network connection, but, they can be controlled only from main fsx pc.

 

thank you very much i will look into PFE.

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Sorry Alberto, I misread what you are actually trying to achieve!

 

I used PFE a long long time ago, haven't used it in a while but if I remember rightly it is controlled and the voice does come out on the networked pc. I could be totally wrong on this thought because, as I said, it has been a while since I used it.

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I'm going to check it out, and i will report.

 

bytheway, if you think about it, what i would like to achieve is very very simple! :) a little program running on a networked pc, that controls the ATC, even the default atc...

i've spent 2 days looking for something like this... nothing!

i think i will do better if i program it myself, i will ask Pete if WideFS and FSUIPC can interact with the atc somehow.

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I don't want to get into this or that argument. ProATC is being actively developed again. It is pretty well thought out as far as flight simulator software goes. The moderators on the forum are very good when it comes to helping users with their issues. I've tried all of them. They all have their strengths and weaknesses. I just found that PATC has more of the former and fewer of the latter. Too bad Peter Dowson is semi-retired. If he built one, it wouldn't win any design awards, but it would be rock solid.

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When you say control ATC, are you talking about substituting the verbal commands or actually controlling the AI? If you mean the latter, the only ATC program out there now that does this is VOXATC, it generates and controls it's own AI. All the others, only interact with the AI, not control it.

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no no never talked about AI.

I would like to read and control the ATC from another PC.

That is all.

 

btw i tried proflight emulator, and it has to be controlled by the main pc, as every other atc i've tried :(

 

i think i will never get this. giving up.

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btw i tried proflight emulator, and it has to be controlled by the main pc, as every other atc i've tried

 

Shame, I though that would have been the solution for you.

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thanks anyway jaime!!

 

 

peter, i am still not skilled enough for close-to-real procedures :(

maybe one day..

 

tom, from voxATC website: 

Can VoxATC X be run on a 2nd PC via WideFS?
No, The current version must run on the same machine as MSFS so that the prompt window can be updated. Future versions will work remotely.

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btw i tried proflight emulator, and it has to be controlled by the main pc, as every other atc i've tried

 

 

Both Radar Contact and PFE run very well on a networked PC,

I do not understand why you insist they don't.

 

All you need is Peter Dowsons WideFS http://secure.simmarket.com/pete-dowson-widefs7.phtml

And for the Radar Contact display on the networked PC you need Showtext (freeware) available from Peters site, http://forum.simflight.com/topic/66136-useful-additional-programs/

PFE ships with its own app to display on the client called  Remotetext.

Then all that is required to send the audio from your client Pc to your Sim Pc is a 3.5mm to 3.5mm audio lead.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/3-5mm-Male-Stereo-Audio-Cable-A/dp/B000Q6LT26/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1423840799&sr=8-2&keywords=3.5mm+to+3.5mm+audio+lead

I have been running both of these (mainly Radar Contact) on a network for years, both in fact run better this way.

 

If you also want to control either PFE or Radar Contact by voice rather than by keypress I can recommend VAC http://www.dwvac.com/

Once you have creatd a profile it works really well

 

 

ProATC is being actively developed again. It is pretty well thought out as far as flight simulator software goes.

 

As ATC software it is certainly not very well thought out, the procedures are about as far from real world as it is possible to get. it does not seem to use FAA or ICAO atc rules or anything close to them.

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peter, i am still not skilled enough for close-to-real procedures :(

maybe one day..

Well, there's a big difference between real life and Vatsim: nobody dies when you make a mistake. And if you start in an area with not a lot of traffic then ATC is all game to help you figure it out.

 

Another way to get ready is to join a virtual airline that is also a Vatsim training organization. There are many people out there who would be most happy to help anyone who is interested in online flying.

 

Cheers,

Peter

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I will try to be more clear and simple.

Glynn, as i said on post number 5, THE WORKS VERY WELL in network config, i know it.

BUT

BUT

BUT

You have to control them via main fsx pc.

I want something that control the ATC ON THE CLIENT PC, with the other keyboard, ANOTHER PC.

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OK I think I understand what you are trying to do.

You want to send keypresses to Radar Contact (which is running on your FSX machine) from a keyboard attached to your Client PC ?

 

You can use WideFS's Buttonkeys facility to send the keypresses to Radar Contact.

You can use Showtext.exe to display the output from Radar Contact on your client machines screen.

 

Does this sound like what you want to do ?

 

ButtonKeys: making use of FSUIPC’s virtual buttons facilities
FSUIPC offers facilities not only for programming real buttons and switches, but also up to 288 “virtual buttons”, represented by
bits in part of its array of offsets. These 288 buttons are regarded, like real buttons, as being 32 buttons, numbered 0 to 31, on
each “joystick”, with nine such “virtual joysticks” numbered 64 to 72.
WideClient provides facilities, using the built-in Windows “hot key” facilities, to convert trapped key presses into changes in
FSUIPCs range of virtual button offsets. The effectively allows any controls, keypresses or other actions supported by FSUIPC
on the Server PC to be instigated by key presses from the clients.

This obviously has major attractions for those using keyboard encoders in their cockpits and wishing to attach these to
Networked PCs. Because the key presses are trapped using the standard Windows hot key facilities, their use is independent of
the current keyboard focus. The only restrictions are on the range of such keypress combinations which are valid, and the fact
that each such hot key is only validly claimed by one application, and once in that too.
To use these facilities, add the section [buttonKeys] to the WideClient.ini file. Then, for each virtual button you want to operate,
add a line in the format:
Tn=<keycode>,<shifts>

 

WideFS documentation:

http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCEQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fexpotec.de%2Fdb_dat%2FWideFS.pdf&ei=PCreVOuXLuXW7Ab90IHYCw&usg=AFQjCNEwoontUVmjyA05o3GmjhjminL29g&bvm=bv.85970519,d.ZGU

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Not exactly, but thanks anyway, looks like WideFS programming could be the way.

Not so easy, but one can try.

 

 

I'll try to be more specific and simple about what I would like to do.

 

I have a client pc, running some stuff thru WideClient and other stuff thru SimConnect.

WideClient sends data to FSUIPC in the server pc, the one running FSX. Everything works perfectly. Also ASN thru SimConnect.

As a casual simmer with FSX, I feel confortable with the default FSX ATC.

Now, I hate having to read and control the ATC on the main screen where I fly.

I would like to read the ATC on the networked client, and control it from there.

 

Hope I was clearer.

 

There is no ATC addon that can do this.

 

Now the answer could be: put a second monitor on the main FSX pc and drag the ATC there.

This is a waste of resources 'couse I want to get most from the network config.

Running FSX with two monitors drops the framerate and in DX10 got a lot of other issues.

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Alberto,

Radar contact and PFE will certainly display their output on your Client PC, thats the easy bit

Harder is getting your keypresses from the client to the server, I would think WideFS/Wideclient can do this, Check with Peter Dowson in his forum as he runs multiple PC's and Radar Contact.

If anyone knows how to do this it will be Peter.

 

I got round this by running Radar Contact and it's Showtext display on my client and running the audio output back to the Server through line out/line in and operating Radar Contact by voice.

I have ASN, Radar Contact and FSCommander on the client, VAC on the Server handling the voice.

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Both Radar Contact and PFE run very well on a networked PC,

I do not understand why you insist they don't.

 

All you need is Peter Dowsons WideFS http://secure.simmarket.com/pete-dowson-widefs7.phtml

And for the Radar Contact display on the networked PC you need Showtext (freeware) available from Peters site, http://forum.simflight.com/topic/66136-useful-additional-programs/

PFE ships with its own app to display on the client called  Remotetext.

Then all that is required to send the audio from your client Pc to your Sim Pc is a 3.5mm to 3.5mm audio lead.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/3-5mm-Male-Stereo-Audio-Cable-A/dp/B000Q6LT26/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1423840799&sr=8-2&keywords=3.5mm+to+3.5mm+audio+lead

I have been running both of these (mainly Radar Contact) on a network for years, both in fact run better this way.

 

If you also want to control either PFE or Radar Contact by voice rather than by keypress I can recommend VAC http://www.dwvac.com/

Once you have creatd a profile it works really well

 

 

 

As ATC software it is certainly not very well thought out, the procedures are about as far from real world as it is possible to get. it does not seem to use FAA or ICAO atc rules or anything close to them.

 

Well thanks for that. I have never flown in real life. My comment was based on the construction of the software. I have PFE and RC. I didn't like using either one. Now that is subjective. I don't expect anyone to agree with my comment.

 

Alberto, I think Glynn may be close to the mark with WideFS. I also use the button screen and if there are FSUIPC variables to control default ATC, you will be able to create a button screen, assign the controls in FSUIPC on your main machine, and there you go. When I get my simulator fired up, I'll try to assign some ATC activity and let you know.

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This is an interesting, if little confusing thread.  I finally understood what the OP was after, BUT.... to be honest, can't understand the WHY you would want or need to?

 

I have PFE (and all the others) running on my networked laptop.  I also get completely separate, and separately controlled voice commands from the client, through a set of headphones.

 

I can appreciate that also getting the screen output on the client might be more helpful, but why would you want separate control?  Surely, that would mean another keyboard and or mouse to control?  I NEVER have to physically toutch my client machine, apart from the 'on' switch;-)

 

As a slight, but related aside, I also use a BRILLIANT and TINY piece of software called 'Synergy', meaning I don't need ANY kind of KVM switch or controller to use just ONE mouse & keyboard to FULLY control BOTH mackines;-)

 

Phew!

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This is an interesting, if little confusing thread.  I finally understood what the OP was after, BUT.... to be honest, can't understand the WHY you would want or need to?

 

I have PFE (and all the others) running on my networked laptop.  I also get completely separate, and separately controlled voice commands from the client, through a set of headphones.

 

I can appreciate that also getting the screen output on the client might be more helpful, but why would you want separate control?  Surely, that would mean another keyboard and or mouse to control?  I NEVER have to physically toutch my client machine, apart from the 'on' switch;-)

 

As a slight, but related aside, I also use a BRILLIANT and TINY piece of software called 'Synergy', meaning I don't need ANY kind of KVM switch or controller to use just ONE mouse & keyboard to FULLY control BOTH mackines;-)

 

Phew!

 

+1 on Synergy. I use Multiplicity from Stardock...same idea. Best kept secret around.

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yep i also  use "mouse without borders" app from microsoft itself and it is great, i know.

the point here was completely different.

 

thanks for your kind help and thoughts btw.

 

i'm giving up on this.

maybe one day someone will develop a program that shows and controls the default ATC on a networked client.

 

have a nice flight!!!

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If you get a complete solution, let us know.

 

FYI, you can use the WideFS button screen to control ATC from your client. I set up a couple of buttons on my WideFS button screen and was able to select options from the ATC window.

 

Take a look at this link. It is a program that allows you to share your screen, a rectangle or a window, with another computer on your network. This may address your other requirement:

 

http://www.screenleap.com/desktop-screen-share

 

Best of luck.

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Thanks Graham!

I dont figure out how to set keystrokes in wideFS. When i open wideclient.exe on the client pc i only see an empty window.

Do you have any suggestion?

 

Thanks again!

 

PS: screenleap is nice, but i would have to have the atc open on the main fsx anyway. Need a way to show atc on the client via another way, maybe showtext.exe but i dont have ideas right now.

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