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Eaglesoft Citation X or Cessna Mustang 1

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Does anyone know if one of theses 2 plane is working on Win 8.1 and P3D ? I know it's not supported by the developer but I am curious to know if anyone was able to make it work.

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Cm1....nice plane. Aside from 2d panels seems to work fine. Emt.

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Mustang was my favourite plane....   was -  because it doesn't work with Steam or P3Dv2 and I have moved to Steam..

 

I have posted a few times in their Forum asking for 'Flight 1' to update it to make it compatible but they don't seem interested.  This is the only 3rd party developer that I know who is not supporting their product in FSX-SE.

 

Maybe with consumer pressure that could be changed....

 

I've heard that if you can obtain a verion of the Mustang upto 1.05 that will work but you can't update the Airac file for the navigation...

 

Overall it was the best small Bizjet in FSX if you had a good PC setup (a bit heavy on the frames for some because of the large Garmin G1000 screens)

 

Don't understand why they are cutting their sales by not supporting it... 

 

When I bought the Eaglesoft Citation X  I was immediately disappointed by the graphic quality...   I believe it was a kinda port over from FS9.  Also, once I'd done a few flights I found that the FMC was buggy and was crashing the sim a lot...   I've still got it but never fly it and never tried it in Steam or P3D.

 

I have just bought the Carenado C550 Navigraph update but find the FMS is half baked and painful to use...  therefore I installed the ISG Panels pack along with JanekBin's MODS and I have a really good plane with good nav functionality and Navigraph updates..  I have flown it a few times now on Vatsim and it was a treat....

 

This is my Bizjet of choice for the moment.

 

http://forum.avsim.net/topic/460037-s550-with-isg-fms/

 

aerostar

 

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P.S.  I seem to have missed the point..  lol   I have Win 7...

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by your reply I do get the sense that there's isn't much in the bizjet segment that is worth playing right now.

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I operate with Win 8.1.   My favorite jet to fly is the Eaglesoft Citation X 2.0.  I had some issues with win 8.1 blocking the citation from working properly initially, but once you turn off enough of Win 8.1 features, it is awsome to fly.  its neat flying on Vatsim and passing the airliners enroute.

 

the turboprop i fly for more local flights is Areosoft's Twin Otter Extended edition, which also works smoothly with Win 8.1.

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In reply to fogbound turtle's post -

 

 

..correct -  I can't find a good quality Bizjet anywhere with working FMC ...

 

The C550 is good now though with the ISG mods and it is the best option at the moment, I think...

 

I was desperately hoping the Carenado Hawker X850 was going to function well....  but after the C550 release and the way their FMC works I've kinda lost hope..

 

I think it's good that Carenado have started to work on the Nav systems and maybe after a few updates they might get better...

 

I like to fly in Vatsim to try and have a bit of realism that's why I'm looking for working FMC's...

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I am, and always will be partial to the ES 750. You will not go wrong. It is so close to real deal. Give it a go. Read the manuals and follow the set up for the fadec. Once you get the FMC down you will love it. Have fun. Cpt. Out.

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I am, and always will be partial to the ES 750. You will not go wrong. It is so close to real deal. Give it a go. Read the manuals and follow the set up for the fadec. Once you get the FMC down you will love it. Have fun. Cpt. Out.

 

I too have the ES 750 V1 & V2) The autopilot (for me) was & is hard for me. It also is NOT compatable with the GTN 750. Other than that it's a nice ride.

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Eaglesoft Citation X runs horribly under Windows 8.1. You have disable a few things to get it working at all...and even after that it stutters a lot when it loads guages...etc. I'd pass on it if sticking with Windows 8.1 based on my experience.

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Those who run W8.1 will not receive empathy from us as we consider that OS one that folks should pass on. W10 sounds promising but the jury will be out for a bit on that one. B)

The CX750 is not a GPS airplane. It a is an FMS aircraft.

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I have posted a few times in their Forum asking for 'Flight 1' to update it to make it compatible but they don't seem interested.

 

Very disapointed with the Mustang devs. One of the threads which is now locked but readable, they bluntly said they have better things to do than work for free updating steam. I couldn't believe it !! I wont have anything to do with that mob again

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Really.. a "mob". A sometimes disturbing aspect by some in the FS community is petulance.

It runs something like if Dev A doesn't do what I want them to do I'll call them names and go home.

Please guys, let's mature up a little.. :Nerd:

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Your shooting from the hip, you didnt even read the posts..

Its not what they said but how they said it. Treat customers with contempt=mob, in any type of retail sales and after service.  I rest my case!

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Succinct, but hardly a case made for name calling. C'mon you can do better than that.. B)

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As far as not receiving "empathy", nothing new with Eaglesoft. You guys have been consistently rude with customers on your forum for a long time...and were quite rude to me even though I was the only one who was properly diagnosing the issue (which had nothing to do with Win 8, it was because you had a corrupt download that people were using...this of course turned into a multi-week SAGA because your company refused to even entertain the idea that something was wrong on your side). Even some of the most basic questions on your forum are usually addressed with a "your problem not ours" attitude right out of the gate. Customers have almost no chance of having issues looked at.

 

Go ahead and don't support Windows 8. Don't support 10 either...because it's architecture is not substantially different from 8. Be my guest...it will only hurt your company. I've been using FSX-Steam on Windows 8.1 lately, and I have aircraft from PMDG, Aerosoft, Carenado, etc. that all run perfectly on it. You can go ahead and blame Windows 8.1 all you want. That might have been perfectly acceptable for the first year it was out. But at this point it's everywhere. SO ignore it...be my guest. I will sit back and chuckle while watching your sales go slowly down the toilet. Due some research about how well software companies typically do when they ignore OS advancements and tie people into using only the version they support. Customers will simply find alternatives.

 

Bottom line is that security software whether it be AVs or Windows Defender etc...all HATE your .dlls. On top of that you have to install the CitX in safe mode just to get it to lay down. The real issue is why does the upgraded security in Windows 8 hate your dlls so much? I have a feeling that the answer to that would make a lot of your customers pretty uneasy.

 

I tried, and have tried, so many times to have constructive conversations about this both privately and publically on your company's forums and it always comes down to this: You guys are lazy...and don't want to look into actual issues. You have a catch-all clause in you support that gives you the right to ignore ANY problem for ANY reason due to "system incompatibility" issues ALL THE WHILE not ever STATING exactly what your supported platforms are (you couldn't worm your way out of support tickets if you did...I get it). I know of no other company that would dare do this, and you are very lucky that you are in a niche development geographic because it wouldn't fly anywhere else.

 

It won't be long before Windows 7 isn't supported. What will you do then...close up shop? Your competitors have all moved on with the changes. You won't. It's not hard to predict what will happen next. The internet is FULL of stories of what happens to complacent software companies who don't stay up to date and treat their customers with disdain...as if they were nuisances.

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Windows 10 looks promising at this time but we'll all have to evaluate it after it's fully baked.

Whatever OS you run is your business not ours. We refuse to attempt to fix what MS breaks in it's OS or overcome it's security settings for you. We're fine, don't worry for us.

We're too busy to rehash old arguments over OS's and as you know the corrupted file was replaced with our apologies up and down the line to all that were effected including yourself.

Bitterness and expressed hatred will get you no where with us. Good day sir.

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Windows 10 looks promising at this time but we'll all have to evaluate it after it's fully baked.

Whatever OS you run is your business not ours. We refuse to attempt to fix what MS breaks in it's OS or overcome it's security settings for you. We're fine, don't worry for us.

We're too busy to rehash old arguments over OS's and as you know the corrupted file was replaced with our apologies up and down the line to all that were effected including yourself.

Bitterness and expressed hatred will get you no where with us. Good day sir.

 

I have too much going on in my life to harbor hatred or bitterness over something like a Flightsim aircraft. I'm not a hardcore simmer so you can rule that out entirely. I love your aircraft, when it operates correctly  But what you are leaving out is that you forced a customer to perform extensive black box QA on your software before you would even consider it was an issue. That entails wiping out the OS over and over again...performing the same procedures using a scientific method. Had to do all that when you could've just checked the CRC on your wrapper which would have taken 10 seconds. I wouldn't repeat this if it weren't for the fact that you are still on this board and your own message forum being obstinate and rude to your customers. You think you guys would have learned a lesson after that little fiasco...but apparently not. Normally you'd have to fork out at least a few grand to get someone to do your Black Box QA testing...but being stubborn the way I am I did it gratis.

 

MS didn't "break" their OS in how it relates to Eaglesoft's. They have made changes in areas like security and in other ways the OS is architected. This happens with all OSes. WIndows didn't "break"...your COMPATIBILITY with it broke.

 

MS generally only supports their latest 2 OS releases. You know what that means when Windows 10 drops at the end of the summer? I give it another year before it's unsupported. I ask you, not out of "bitterness" but out of sincere curiosity, what is Eaglesoft's plan when that happens? Also, did you guys ever settle on a supported platform?

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Since you asked sincerely. We'll go w/W10 as it may be the only viable OS path forward. For those who hate MS and Windows, there is always Linux.

Understand that we refuse to have W8 on any of our machines simply because it's issues are legend right here in the Avsim W8 forums. B)

 

Now can we let this go please.

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I suppose all add on developers are responsible for Win8.x randomly disconnecting USB mice, yokes and joysticks too. :wacko:

 

In any case, I feel this thread is drifting far off course and headed south.

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Bottom line is that security software whether it be AVs or Windows Defender etc...all HATE your .dlls. On top of that you have to install the CitX in safe mode just to get it to lay down. The real issue is why does the upgraded security in Windows 8 hate your dlls so much? I have a feeling that the answer to that would make a lot of your customers pretty uneasy.

 

Long rants and the AVSIM Terms of Service do not condone inciting, abusive, or trolling type comments.  I think you need to take a deep breath and move on.  In regards to anti-virus security software, I thought it was a well-known fact in the flight simulation communities that you must disable FSX from active scanning during flights and it should never, ever be turned on when you are installing fsx and fsx addons.  You are only asking for problems, now and in the future.  You must also disable your user access controls (UAC) and make sure FSX is running with Admin privileges.  Then you will have a successful installation and you will enjoy fsx and your add-ons a bit more.  When surfing the Internet or downloading software coming from unknown locations (commercial software addons are coming from safe locations), you should turn on your anti-virus program but, when flying, please turn off or disable it for FSX so you can enjoy the game.

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