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GTN 650 or 750?

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So yeah, I'm not the most educated GPS expert out there but I recently read that A2A are going to make it possible to fit the new GTN's in their Piper Cherokee 180 and Cessna 172 with the next update. I was getting pretty tired of using the archaic default FSX GPS so I thought it might be time to get some real hardware for my favourite GA aircraft. Now, I know, after reading up on the subject, about the major differences between the 650 an 750. Screen size being the most obvious difference of course but the 750 is also superior to the 650 in almost every single way. My question is then, since I won't be paying for both of them and they're priced the same: is there ANY reason to get the 650 over the 750? I don't really need all the extra functions that the 750 offers. I use my GPS to get from A to B basically but getting all that extra screen space at the same price as the 650 seems like a no-brainer, why WOULD you buy the 650 over the 750 really? if it was cheaper sure!

 

Also, there seems to be quite a bit of extra work to set these things up, training software, buying DVD's etc. How does it work? Explain it to me as if I was a 4-year old (little Denzel Washington reference for you there) :)

 

Any feedback/advice is much appreciated.

 

Cheers!/Andreas

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Hi Andreas,

 

I would only recommend the 650 over the 750 if available space on your panel is limited. Like you said, the larger screen and therefor ease of use makes it more appealing. Especially since there is no price difference.

 

Flight1 updated the package two day ago and now you have World wide terrain coverage. So there is no need to buy any DVD anymore. Since the program uses the actual Garmin training software (download link to trainer included in installation process) almost every option is available. It is very easy and logical in use, but if you want, the actual Garmin manual will provide all the information needed. There are also tons of instruction videos on YouTube.

 

The only "issue" is that the nav database is also linked to the Garmin trainer. Therefor, there is no option to use navigraph updates.

 

Cheers, Jeroen

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IMHO you're going to want to purchase whatever integrates into the panel and the only one I know of that integrates the 650 is the Turbine Duke v2 (which integrates both). I suspect if A2A integrated the 650 into the Skyhawk as opposed to the 750 the uproar would be deafening so I highly doubt that would happen. You should probably check with A2A to be sure. The 650 doesn't have charts if you weren't aware of that and the ICAO key-in is a PITA compared to the 750. I have both and the 650 almost always just rides along. I wouldn't purchase the 650 if I had it to do over again but I admit it looks nice on the Duke panel right below the 750. :smile:

 

I'd recommend downloading the v5 trainer and playing with it outside the sim, you can compare the 650 to the 750 without spending a dime and when you decide which one you want you can just skip the trainer step in the installation process because you'll already have it installed.

 

http://www8.garmin.com/support/download_details.jsp?id=5379

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I went for the larger screen too. You can use the pop up if necessary. The Trainer software is free and downloadable as mentioned above. No buying DVD's necessary since it includes the whole world now, and the Product utilizes the trainer software.

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Thanks for the useful feedback guys, I found the following thread over at A2A: http://www.a2asimulations.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=46234

 

It's a preview of the upcoming accu-sim updates with integrated GTN support and it looks great! I doesn't say if the 172 or 182 will support a single GTN 650 setup, there is a screenshot showing the Cherokee having a single GTN 650 however. I'll have to ponder on this some more though, good news -at least for new customers- that worldwide terrain map coverage is now supplied with the package.

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You'll love it.. I use the 750 in the Piper all the time as a pop up (would be very cool if they could integrate - I really want the 182 now because of this). but the interface is just so cool.. changing frequencies, squawk codes, a breeze.. Make up flight plans on the fly very quickly.. User Waypoints.. it really brings the sim to a new level. For me the Bigger Screen is a big plus.

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You'll love it.. I use the 750 in the Piper all the time as a pop up (would be very cool if they could integrate - I really want the 182 now because of this). but the interface is just so cool.. changing frequencies, squawk codes, a breeze.. Make up flight plans on the fly very quickly.. User Waypoints.. it really brings the sim to a new level. For me the Bigger Screen is a big plus.

 

Sounds good to me! I actually have the 182 but to be honest, I still like the Cherokee best...sshhhh! don't tell lady Skylane.

 

P.S Have a look at that snug fitting 650 in the Cherokee. Looking forward to that accu-sim update.C180%20F1%20650.png

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I love the Cherokee but it's so slowwwwww.. but still love it.. my co-worker has a Warrior II, which is kind of similiar.

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GTN 750 without question

 

I saw a FB pic from a2a with a 750 in the cherokee so we should be able to expect that as an option

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I'd recommend downloading the v5 trainer and playing with it outside the sim, you can compare the 650 to the 750 without spending a dime and when you decide which one you want you can just skip the trainer step in the installation process because you'll already have it installed.

 

http://www8.garmin.com/support/download_details.jsp?id=5379

Jim I see this V5 is dated April 2014.

Is this really the latest?

 

gb.

A bit off topic but is anyone using an iPad to view these GTNs?

Just wondering what to use to get them across?

 

gb.

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That's it. The V5 trainer has been out for a while. F1 just released the updated gauge to work with it.

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That's it. The V5 trainer has been out for a while. F1 just released the updated gauge to work with it.

Ok, thanks.

 

gb.

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If you like big moving map displays and magenta lines, get the 750.  

 

If you are an old school pilot who prefers to use the primary flight and nav instruments, get the 650, it is much less obtrusive.  A GTN 750 in a 1960s Cherokee is like putting a modern automobile gps, backup camera, bluetooth/wifi interface in a 1960s car  Not only does it spoil the look of the vintage VC, but if you are into realism, it would be very unlikely to see a brand new $25K USD piece of avionics in a 50 year old airplane worth about $30K-40K USD   Even the 650 is pushing it but at least it is smaller and much less obtrusive.  Yes it requires a few more clicks to get the same info, but at 110kts you have plenty of time to press buttons.  

 

Whats next? A G1000 in a DC-3? LOL

 

I have both, and find the 650 perfect for typical GA cockpits.  The 750 is ideal for extreme high performance aircraft like the Turbine Duke, in which things happen very quickly and you need info promptly, but for a much slower 182, Cherokee, 172, the 650 is plenty.  

 

Another point in favor of the 650, being the smaller unit, it will likely see more addon compatibility because it will require less panel redesign from the developers.  Tandem/Single seat aircraft with fighter type cockpits will likely only have room for the 650 as well. 

 

Cheers

TJ

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Getting past the fact that we're just simulating flight, I certainly believe in bigger screens as better, when it comes to GPS. In real life, I left that "old school navigation" many years ago. Actually starting in 1993, when the first Garmin moving map portables became available. At that time, portables could do far more than panel mounts. As GPS progressed, the Garmin 295 portable had much more power, and a much better screen than the Garmin 430/530 panel mounts.  I always upgraded to the latest Garmin portables, for my experimental class kit plane. I quit flying just as the newest large screen portables became available. I would now consider the 295 as ancient, and wouldn't even consider a KLN90 for simulation.

 

 

As to the DC-3,  as well as Connies, the B-29 Fifi, and many other vintage planes, you'll usually always find a portable GPS on board, if it isn't mounted to the panel.  Why a larger screen?  I always used Satellite weather.  I liked seeing what was around for hundreds of miles in all directions, instead of being limited by a small screen. I used all of that small stuff once. Just didn't care for it anymore, once I went with the larger screens. 

 

Ba humbug to old school. A long time hobby of mine, involved airplane accidents, in which the airplane unexpectedly met rising terrain.  I'd always incorporate an accident site into my flight plan, for comparison sakes with modern GPS.  Thanks to terrain mapping GPS, the accident rate due to clobbering mountains,  has dropped significantly.  A pilot no longer has to spend a large percentage of their time, navigating. They'll always know where they are within three feet. They'll know what the weather ahead and behind is. They'll have constant altimeter setting updates. They'll know how much fuel is left, within a half a gallon. They'll know all of those exact boundaries for airport and military airspace. That's something, that pilots of the old, didn't have to contend with, near as much. These days, there is restricted airspace all over the place. If everything goes to crap, IMC wise, the GPS terrain altitude will be the one you want to use, to avoid rocks. An altimeter can easily be several hundred feet off, if the setting wasn't recently updated.  Another great option of GPS, is more direct routing. I'd have to hopscotch all over, when flying in mountain areas with the VOR system. VOR is line of sight. I'd often be flying below mountain peaks, and out of VOR range, just as so many pilots do in Alaska.

 

Note:  I always pre-planned long distance mountain flights with a sectional map, before loading the plan into the GPS database. I then followed progress, with the sectional. One usually doesn't just blindly follow a magenta line. But............at least with a modern moving map, they'll be warned far in advance, of terrain, boundaries, etc. In the old days of point A to B GPS with no advanced features, many pilots and passengers met their doom, just as they did with radio navigation, that didn't always work, or the pilots became disoriented. Happened frequently.

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Oh yes, modern technology in cars has made the roads sooo much safer, allowing drivers to do things other than driving....like texting, yaking on cell phones, conducting office meeting conference calls, sorting through their MP3s, staring at their GPS instead of the road....etc.  

 

You notice the GTNs have instant message capability now.....yay...pilots can text while flying...that should make things exciting LOL.   That should go well with the new G1000s that have web browsing ability....you know, gotta watch youtube vids and check facebook likes while the autopilot flies the plane... :lol:

 

I know I am being a little sarcastic ^_^ ....GPSs are great, being able to fly GPS approaches into airports that don't have any traditional navaids is wonderful, the safety features are great, the magenta line can be helpful when it is an appropriate time to use it.  There are also appropriate times to focus on good ol stick n rudder flying and 'old school' navigation to keep basic flying instincts sharp.  Besides its good exercise for the ol 'grey matter' in one's head as an exercise in concentration.  

 

You can get a lot more out of a GPS if you understand the old school stuff....like that OBS function, you can turn any fix into a navaid, very handy for finding airstrips not in the GPS database by setting up radials from a fix, then fly the GPS like a VOR and find your arrival point.

 

Cheers

TJ

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If I can't play a round of Angry Birds while taking off, I'll (rage) quit flying! hmpff!!

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I fly both the Carenado Phenom 300 and TBM 50 most of the time. Has anyone successfully integrated the 750 with these planes.

Many thanks

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I fly both the Carenado Phenom 300 and TBM 50 most of the time. Has anyone successfully integrated the 750 with these planes.

Many thanks

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4 hours ago, jprism said:

I fly both the Carenado Phenom 300 and TBM 50 most of the time. Has anyone successfully integrated the 750 with these planes.

Many thanks

For the Phenom 300 go to the Carenado support forum here at AVSIM to obtain the mod.

 

 

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On 5/13/2017 at 11:26 AM, tjrush said:

For the Phenom 300 go to the Carenado support forum here at AVSIM to obtain the mod.

 

 

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I think most of the Carenado models have F1 GTN mods available.

Once you fly with the GTN-750, no GPS/MFD will ever be the same.

 

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