March 24, 201610 yr Rich, care to post the CJ2 error log content? I was hoping Carenado would have address these errors by now given it's been many months since it has been brought to their attention. Cheers, Rob.
March 24, 201610 yr Author Rich, care to post the CJ2 error log content? I was hoping Carenado would have address these errors by now given it's been many months since it has been brought to their attention. Cheers, Rob. Rob deleted it - I choose to ignore it in settings and just fly It was way to long to post here anyway Rich Sennett
March 24, 201610 yr Rich, care to post the CJ2 error log content? I was hoping Carenado would have address these errors by now given it's been many months since it has been brought to their attention. Cheers, Rob. \ Rob, Carenado released the CJ2 8 days ago. Not exactly months. I don't know very many developers that get SPs out in less than 10 days. What exactly is the problem that needs to be fixed? Maybe the community can do a temporary fix for you. Best Regards, Ray When Pigs Fly . Ray Marshall .
March 24, 201610 yr Carenado released the CJ2 8 days ago. Not exactly months. Hey Ray, agree, but the error messages I saw in Rich's log are very similar to the error messages I've seen in prior Carenado products going back several months (just a change in aircraft name). Just a small sample: [error.25] error=Gauge/Script Error Type: Visibility Script Name: Carenado 5252A CJ2 OY-CTB Error: Invalid script (no command is more than 4 characters): "}els{ 0 }" [error.26] error=Gauge/Script Error Type: Visibility Script Name: Carenado 5252A CJ2 OY-CTB Error: Invalid octal value: "0!= and if{ 1 } els{ 0 }" [error.27] error=Gauge/Script Error Type: Visibility Script Name: Carenado 5252A CJ2 OY-CTB Error: Invalid unit specified: "number)". [error.28] error=Gauge/Script Error Type: Visibility Script Name: Carenado 5252A CJ2 OY-CTB Error: Invalid octal value: "0!= and if{ 1 } els{ 0 }" [error.29] error=Gauge/Script Error Type: Visibility Script Name: Carenado 5252A CJ2 OY-CTB Error: Invalid unit specified: "number)". [error.30] error=Gauge/Script Error Type: Animation Script Name: Carenado 5252A CJ2 OY-CTB Error: Undefined Simulation Variable: "Kohlsman setting hg_2". [error.31] error=Gauge/Script Error Type: Animation Script Name: Carenado 5252A CJ2 OY-CTB Error: Invalid variable name: "Kohlsman setting hg_2" I'm not bashing Carenado at all, I like their products (and have many), but I am waiting (perhaps indefinitely) for them to address these errors in this aircraft and similar errors in prior aircraft going back many months. Cheers, Rob.
March 24, 201610 yr How about we all send them the error messages every morning for the next 90 days. A couple of hundred emails to sort through before coffee might get their attention? What do you think? Regards, Ray When Pigs Fly . Ray Marshall .
March 24, 201610 yr A couple of hundred emails to sort through before coffee might get their attention? What do you think? Not stopping you or anyone, but the response will be pretty much the same as it always is with most (not all) 3rd party "turn off error content logging" ... the blind blind eye. Cheers, Rob.
March 24, 201610 yr Still sitting on the fence for this bird. Based on the reviews I read so far, it is still unclear whether it is usable with the default navigation system or not. Is there anything else besides Direct-To that is not working properly or as expected? As Ray and others already know, I am far from being a fan of GTN 750 mods in business jets. One thing that caught my attention is that days after the release there is not one single video for the CJ2 on YouTube yet.
March 24, 201610 yr Still sitting on the fence for this bird. Based on the reviews I read so far, it is still unclear whether it is usable with the default navigation system or not. Is there anything else besides Direct-To that is not working properly or as expected? As Ray and others already know, I am far from being a fan of GTN 750 mods in business jets. One thing that caught my attention is that days after the release there is not one single video for the CJ2 on YouTube yet. Check with Jim Robinson and 300hp.GT here. I think they are using the FMS. I remember that airways was added and apparently works for building flight plans. I seem to think this one looks sharper than the previous ones but I don't have an older one handy to compare. I know there are still a lot of pages missing but, Carenado has never actually said what FMS this one is suppose to emulate. There is some talk here about the altitude value overriding crossing altitudes from SIDS and STARS but I didn't follow it to the end. Regards, Ray When Pigs Fly . Ray Marshall .
March 25, 201610 yr Commercial Member Based on the reviews I read so far, it is still unclear whether it is usable with the default navigation system or not. Is there anything else besides Direct-To that is not working properly or as expected? I guess you have to define "properly", I have about 6 total flights under my belt so by no means have I completely figured everything out. I do have about 70 hours with the C90 GTX though and this is very similar. Here's a typical Carenado Proline 21 flight: I was able to do a flight between KFMN (4-corners) and KAPA (Centennial) using the ZOMBZ1 arrival and GPS Y 35R approach completely under FMS/VNAV control, but the kicker is I (think I) should have been able to select the approach first and then the arrival and transition, however ZOMBZ1 wasn't in the list of available arrivals after selecting the approach. I got it to work by selecting the arrival with no transition at all first and then the GPS Y approach. That's the only way I could get both the arrival and approach into the FMS at the same time. The problem there is the flight plan went straight between KFMN and ZOMBZ where to me it seemed logical one would use the VRAIN transition. I keyed in VRAIN, JIMMR, and JALKA manually assigning them all my cruise altitude of FL270 and also keyed in CABOB with an altitude of 20,000'. The 20,000 was a total guess but it worked out pretty well in this case. The FMS took it from there, all remaining altitudes right down to the runway were loaded into the FMS automatically. After that little software-bluffing exercise it pulled off the arrival and approach nicely. I do have the current navdata incidentally so it's not an issue with an outdated airac. I switched to LOC1 and flew the ILS at the FAF on this particular flight, but I have actually done this approach on VNAV sorta-simulating the LPV with the C90 GTX, it was a little sloppy and there was no glidepath indication but it was acceptable. "Direct to" is indeed "activate leg" but you can actually select some nearby airports from a list to fly direct to. You can also key in a waypoint, VOR, or whatever (after a fashion, keep trying, hopefully carnavigraph.dll won't crash your sim). The problem is apparently that they're using the GPS flightplan here, so just like the FS9 GPS when you go direct to a waypoint it nukes your flight plan. That's speculation on my part, that's what I think is happening anyway and I believe that's the "sim limitation" they keep talking about. Attempting to use "direct to" as "activate leg" I usually find the most logical leg to activate is missing from the list anyway which makes it that much more useless most times. I think VNAV divides leg length by groundspeed to come up with a time value and then calculates a VS that puts you at the selected altitude crossing the next waypoint. If you need to lose 10,000' and your leg is 300nm long it'll put you into a ridiculous -200 FPM descent for 45 minutes instead of hanging at cruise altitude until TOD and then starting down. For VNAV to work correctly you pretty much have to find a published waypoint that you can insert into your plan as TOD and give it a place to start down from, then you'll get reasonable descent rates. That said, VNAV works surprisingly well on published arrivals and approaches because the waypoints and their altitudes are usually set up to give you normal descent rates between them at the speeds you should be crossing them. Does everything work perfectly and exactly like the real world? No, probably not. Is it flyable? Definitely, but you need to learn the tricks and they're not necessarily realism tricks Is it drop-dead gorgeous? Of course, it's Carenado Is it worth the $40 bucks? I dunno, I just buy 'em to get in on the forum discussions :smile: Frankly if they told me I could only have one, either the CJ2 or the C90 GTX, I'd take the King Air. Not really disappointed in the CJ2 though, I like both. Jim
March 25, 201610 yr Author Nice Jim - I find the king air sluggish a bit - CJ2 smoother in performance - me thinks Their jets are bit more optimized due to the spinning props on Their GA - just athought CJ2 hands down for me - watch for a new paint coming this weekend - different from stock liveries - coming along nicely Rich Sennett
March 25, 201610 yr "I got it to work by selecting the arrival with no transition at all first and then the GPS Y approach." The CJ2 Proline manual also mentions it must be done that way. Best Regards, Vaughan Martell PP-ASEL KDTW
March 25, 201610 yr The problem is apparently that they're using the GPS flightplan here, so just like the FS9 GPS when you go direct to a waypoint it nukes your flight plan. "Still sitting on the fence for this bird. Based on the reviews I read so far, it is still unclear whether it is usable with the default navigation system or not. Is there anything else besides Direct-To that is not working properly or as expected?" I did this flight using SID/STAR and V/S for altitudes .. no problems: KPHX rwy 8 departure KPHX IZZZO3.MESSI PKE TNP.SEAVU2 KLAX (ILS25L approach). For DIR TO I did this .. and I observed no strange intercepts or the like to get there ... just went directly there e.g. ATC instructions: I added the direct to waypoint (not part of original plan) to the flight plan (after the current legs waypoint) then selected DIR and clicked on the CDU waypoint name in the flight plan. Went directly to it. I did not lose the flight plan in CDU. Next test: I did DIR using a waypoint in the current CDU plan. Went directly to it. Did not lose the flight plan. DIR is working ok for my usage. Note: I did screenshots of the CDU edits and DIR selections as well as screenshots of FSCommander map .. if they are needed here. Carenado made us a very nice ride in this CJ2. Best Regards, Vaughan Martell PP-ASEL KDTW
March 25, 201610 yr Vaughan, This is really good information for those that are waiting to see how the FMS performs in the CJ2. Would you mind starting a new thread along the lines of Carenado FMS for CJ2 works fine for me or something to attract those that are not interested in the GTN threads or don't have the aircraft yet. Maybe others with good, bad, or indifferent experiences with the FMS will chime in. Maybe have Direct To works great in the title or up front also. Best Regards, Ray When Pigs Fly . Ray Marshall .
March 25, 201610 yr Ray, I was responding to questions in this thread. Which is about problems pilots are seeing ... in general. Basicall , I would think pilots who have not purchased would be looking here also. Best Regards, Vaughan Martell PP-ASEL KDTW
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