I doubt that the only airliner with weather radar is less complex than any other plane and if you plug in the CIVA INS you get a nice complex product.What people sometimes forget is:The looooooong development time;The large beta test group;Paul former experience in these type of planes;That was what made the difference not any less complex simulation.Jos

Indeed, no less work / complex than an FMS airliner!Paul and team, you really made me proud with the 727, and I know you will do the same with your next project! :-)Regards,http://www.dreamfleet2000.com/gfx/images/F...R_FORUM_LOU.jpg

Ditto, wonderfull aircraft. REALLY love it! Great on fps and a ground breaking level of realism / attention to detail!SUPER ADD-ON , and great value for money, add to that the great support service, you just can't go wrong.cheers,Anthony

>>What they don't know is that I'll put a great big bug in the>update just to get people talking about it :-)>>http://www.dreamfleet2000.com/gfx/images/F...BANNER_PAUL.jpgStop teasing us and release the update!! :)You guys were so mean a few weeks ago talking about how it would be ready by the end of the week! I really want to fly winglets, different variants, and more cargo paints!!

Aw, now you guys have gone and done it. I have been sniffing around this airplane for a couple months. I have talked myself out of it twice. But now I have to have it because: I love realism. I love "the old days" of no fmc. I love Dreamfleet products. This tread has taken over the edge.Thanks!Bill Worth:-)

you'll enjoy it! see you in the blue sky

I would like to have tried it, but (because I am a bit dense) I only recently worked out that time is short but MSFS is huge. So I stick with aircraft that have meant something to me in the real world.This means that (for airliners) I only use the 747-400 and Concorde. The former gives me the avionics - but with as much freedom to fly by hand and with old-style radio navigation as I want - and the latter gives me the whole, classic experience plus. Shame that the 727 means nothing to me in real life, because the Flight One version does appear to have a lot going for it by all accounts. (Shame too that they didn't do something like the 707 or 747 Classic instead?)Best wishes.Michael

Michael,Just for information, the 727 was the old workhorse of the airline industry for years, and I'd go so far as to say that at least half of them are still flying. The 727 in all its versions was just about the greatest aircraft I've ever flown, as it just did everything right. On the subject of the DF version, well, all I can say is 'it is the best of the best of the 727's offered for FS' and they don't come or fly much more real considering FS's limitations.The effort put forth by the guys at DF was outstanding, and in it's first beta, (there were many versions before release), it was better than most offerings final release. If you like big iron, and get into payware, well, its just pretty darned hard to beat.Best to all, Clay http://www.dreamfleet2000.com/gfx/images/F...ers/Dopke01.jpgClayton T. Dopke (Clay)Major, USAF (retired)"Drac"

I will throw my hat into the ring. I own lots of payware and I have to say of all the planes I own nothing beats flying the departure, climb, descent, and approach by hand with the DF727. The flight model is fantastic (so stable and smooth in flight) and I feel an incredible since of accomplishment when I step away from the FMS systems out there and get my hands dirty. I bought the DF727 before I started the road to becoming a pilot. I use to just fly with the autopilot on for almost the entire flight, but the Dreamfleet bird required me to actually learn IFR procedures, and in general try to become a better pilot. I just got my instrument rating monday and I really feel that my training was accelerated because I learned so much trying to fly this plane correctly. Great airplane keep up the great work Dreamfleet!David

Ignore Randy. He has an agenda, as I'm sure that you know.

Hi David, Congratulations on becoming an instrument pilot! The first time you use it on your own for a cross-country, you'll be surprized just how much your priority (even in a C172) increases with the FAA. Of course, it's a two-way street, they expect the same attention to detail in return :)Bruce.

Thanks Bruce,Tomorrow I am doing my first cross country since I received the rating. I'm going up to Tallahassee, Florida and hopefully this weekend I'm going to Key West. I have been wondering about how this changes my status with the FAA. Since it's now my name on the flight plan I feel that I want the to appear as low key to the FAA as possible. :( David

Nice to hear that, David, congratulations, and you'll be just fine. I got my IFR ticket 29 years ago, and have had my name on many an IFR flight plan. The FAA ain't so bad, and at least you can say you've had your name on a real flight plan. Just sweat the details and you will be fine. I love IFR, especially in IMC. Just sock me in, and I'm happy.Now, how you can fly an IFR flight without a FMC to do it for you will be our little secret. Don't tell anyone! ;-)Enjoy, and best wishes! :-)Regards,http://www.dreamfleet2000.com/gfx/images/F...R_FORUM_LOU.jpg

Funny to see this topic just now...yesterday I took the B-722 for a flight from EDDL to LJLJ (my home airport with terrific weather these days: rain, fog, low overcast)All went well until I was on the downwind leg to LJLJ when suddenly the warning bell went off: fire on #1! I declared an emergency and RC3 cleared the way for us. Quickly now, shut off No.1, check that the fire is out, check all engine instruments, capture the localizer, glideslope... we were high, flying blind in Ljubljana valley. There are unforgiving mountains to the east, don't want to get too low there! It didn't work, we went missed in the soup, requested vectors. Gear up, flaps to 5, climb, climb! The 727 never faltered and the two remaining engines were happily purring along at max EPR. We managed to get to 10000' and top the highest peaks. Finally I could catch my breath a little. Ok, time for another try... The RC3 ATC vectored us back towards the airport, but I guess the controller was too anxious to get us down because of the trouble we were in and the base leg was too tight. I overshot the localizer and things once more started to get hectic. I was about to go missed again when I finally glimpsed the runway lights. Landing was a bit rough at -400fpm, but we were down and in one piece. What can I say? I have and fly the latest "FMC planes" but the 727 always gives me something special. The deep background droning sound while flying high up there into the sunset... the 727 will never let you down, it won't wrestle with her pilot and those two needles WILL get centered and stay there... the satisfaction you get when the wheels kiss the tarmac after a tough flight and the reassuring roar of the engines in full reverse cut through the evening calm... Thank you, Paul and the Dreamfleet team! :)Regards,Jure

The only single problem with the 727 is that it was released the same week as the Level-D 767 if I'm right.And because its release was more discreet, guys on forums didn't speak enough about it IMHO.I am very happy that this post brings a "second youth" to this marvellous airplane as it deserves.The attention and love that was used to create this aircraft is awesome. I remember the pics with the OVHD panel during the production, where every smallest detail was hand painted with talent to bring this "antique touch".The external model with fantastic textures is probably the best-acomplished model existing for FS.She flies wonderfully, the sounds are terrific and I can perfectly understand Lou's proudness and gratitude for Paul's skills and devotion in this project.Thank you Paul for your work, it's a masterpiece :-)David in Jerusalem