I have to say, I am beyond impressed. For some reason or another, I had not had the chance to try it out. I am in the process of learning and I can definitely say, of all the payware add-ons I have, this is the most complete and hence to me the best. Not to say there are more add-ons like these out as I've heard PMDG and others have some awesome products themselces, but I don't own any of them yet. Trully a gem! Congrats to the development team at DreamFleet! I Sure hope DF makes the 737-200, althogh I heard that project is no more for you guys, what a shame, but anyway, I'll enjoy the 727 as it is way,way,way more than I expected! :)regards,Macs.

It's a great plane isn't it? Too bad not many people have an appreciation of older types without FMS and autoland. I can't wait for the service pack to be released. Hopefully soon..

>It's a great plane isn't it? Too bad not many people have an>appreciation of older types without FMS and autoland. I can't>wait for the service pack to be released. Hopefully soon.. Well I think it's because RL airlines other than some third world countries do not use such old technology or aircraft and perhaps the some contain retrofits for added features... That's not to say that DF do not make awesome aircraft but I do think it's a #### of a lot easier to produce without such complex systems as a full FMS etc..[h4]Randy J. Smith[/h4]AMD 64 4000+|ASUS K8V DELUXE|SAPPHIRE ATI X800XT PE|MUNCHKIN 3200|80 gig SATA|DELL 1905FP 19" LCD|TRACKir PRO|PFC JEPPESEN MOONY YOKE|

Randy,It was only a few years ago ( about 6 I think )that I flew American Airlines 727's back and forth Miami - Grand Caymen.So although you are correct, we aren't exactly talking decades here.Paul

There's also still DC-9's in service with NWA that don't have FMS's if I'm not mistaken...

I tend to agree with you Randy.This is an historic aircraft and just is not around anymore really. I think a few cargo guys use it. It is similar to what is happening to the MD80 series, pretty much on the way out.I tend to fly what I see around me and what I fly on, the last 727 I was on was over 12 years ago. I dont even think I seen one in 5 years.I had a similar feeling about the ATR, great I am sure but has no relation to anything in my neck of the woods. Never been on one and have never seen one (maybe in Dallas in '95). Although new, just not in my part of the world (now, if it was a Dash product).

Thanks Macs, we're all pleased to read stuff like this. For some reason, people mostly post in forums about the things that are not working on a product, so I'll blame the beta team for the lack of discussion on the 727.What they don't know is that I'll put a great big bug in the update just to get people talking about it :-)http://www.dreamfleet2000.com/gfx/images/F...BANNER_PAUL.jpg

>>What they don't know is that I'll put a great big bug in the update just to get people talking about it :-):-xxrotflmaocheersJP.

There's lots of 727's in service. Do a search on airliners.net for 727 and there are cargo ones of course but also airliners, including a Pan Am Clipper landing at KGRB last week on a charter flight from Florida. And yes, it's a great plane, taking about 90% of my flying time the last few months. billg

Paul I might as well chime in also with a comment of praise seeing I'm always flying your 727 on Fedex runs. Even though it's been awhile since the 727's release I still am amazed by the detail. It's every bit as fun and challenging to fly today as it was the first time I took it up. It doesn't get any better than that unless one is flying the real thing.Speaking of the real thing, anyone have any pics of a 727 Level-D simulator??? After seeing the more modern jetliner sims I would love to see what a Level-D sim modeling a 727 looks like. I remember being on the flight deck of a Fedex 727 (which is actually very small) and noticing how much of an old bird it is. The real plane actually looks about as old as a 707 so I'm trying to imagine a multi-million dollar sim trying to capture that look and feel...Anyway thanks Paul and the rest of the gang for properly bringing my favorite airliner to the Flight Simulator world... :-)

>>It's a great plane isn't it? Too bad not many people have>an>>appreciation of older types without FMS and autoland. I>can't>>wait for the service pack to be released. Hopefully soon..>> Well I think it's because RL airlines other than some third>world countries do not use such old technology or aircraft and>perhaps the some contain retrofits for added features...>> That's not to say that DF do not make awesome aircraft but I>do think it's a #### of a lot easier to produce without such>complex systems as a full FMS etc..>FWIW, Delta retired their last 727s in April, 2003 (and they might've hung around even longer were it not for 9/11). They were hush-kitted, but I don't think any of them had EFIS upgrades. They might've had some sort of FMC, or they might've still been using INS, I haven't seen any cockpit shots to be sure. Other than that, they were still the same JT8D-fitted, smoke-belching, steam-gauged beauties they were when they came off the line 20+ years earlier.I really do get annoyed with the "if it ain't got glass screens it ain't ****" crowd sometimes. I have the PMDG 737 and the LDS 767 and love them both, and appreciate the incredible complexity that went into making them, in all aspects--visual model, textures, cockpits, panels, systems, avionics, all of it. Except for the modern avionics, the DF 727 is their equal (if not superior) in every other respect. Especially in the flight model, which is outstanding (and I spend a lot more time hand-flying the 727 than the 737 or 767, simply because I have to).No, it doesn't have the whiz-bang gadgetry. But sometimes there's something incredibly satisfying about actually having to *fly* the airplane instead of hitting VNAV at 400' AGL and LNAV at 1000', then taking a nap. :)Paul, thanks to you and the Dreamfleet crew for a masterful product.

Randy Smith? Hey man, I went to your school a few moons ago, learning well control :). (Sorry, I could not resist! :) ). Anyway, I myself am not part of the FMS demanding folk, as I like to fly the plane, not the plane fly me :). I'll eventually get an FMS and learn the system, but I'd rather fly the way it used to be... :) I really see no point in too much automation on the sim, as the exciting part is the diffculty of flying manually ( in my view). There is no feeling like hand-flying a Departure procedure or an arrival or approach properly! I guess some people aren't capable or willing to fly the plane (no matter how stable and easy it is), so the FMS makes everything so much easier and makes them feel good at how precise the fligth went, I assume. I have no problem with this, but it is just not my cup of tea. If I were to start ace-ing every flight, then I may just give up the sim and try another hobby... ;-)You might find it strange, but this is how Ilike my simming :)regards,Macs

>>That's not to say that DF do not make awesome aircraft but I do >>think it's a #### of a lot easier to produce without such complex >>systems as a full FMS etc..It might be a little "easier" to produce (I doubt it), but it sure don't make it easier(due to lack of "complex systems") to shoot an instrument approach in 2 mile visibility, hence the appeal of it for me. I *like* developing the skill to hand fly an approach in the 727. I too appreciate the complexity in the modern planes - I have the LDS 767 and the PMDG 737 line. But even in those planes I only use the LNAV feature for enroute, never the approaches.and FMS - yeah let HAL fly the plane , that's challenging, especially if you cheat and use autoland.And yeah, the DF 727 is a gem! I held off too long on it myself..

Yeah, I forgot about that too. No bugs found yet! Pretty amazing to me from experience! :) See Paul, you do not have to be able to model every "nut and bolt" as the "other" company's argument goes; but if you can't or don't, you let the customer know (in the manual for example), as you guys have done so elegantly ( I got to say that manual is itslef worth the cost of the add-on :) )! This is perfectly acceptable and does not bother me a bit. What bothers me is when I buy a product, and blatant flase claimns are made, and you get these false hopes, and when you try to get an explanation, you are treated like a child, and get excuses that don't make any sense. Anyway, sorry for the ranting, and congrats again for a great company and product. :)regards,Macs

Yes, a real gem.I use it a LOT and I do mean a LOT. Great fun to fly and you need to know something about flying.