>I'm not a reviewer, just an old retired USAF and GE aircraft>engine maintainer but from a person that loves flight sim &>727s, this baby is a dream.Thanks for the kind words Erv (and others in this thread), they really do mean a lot to all of us that developed this product and it's especially nice to see a continued interest in the 727.Sadly, for those that only buy after seeing a good review, it seems they'll never get this 727 as a result of an Avsim review. Why? Would you beleive that not one Avsim reviewer wants to review it! Seriously, I was told that last night by Avsim themselves.Still, I know what to do next time, fill it with bugs, knacker the flight dynamics, use some crap sounds and write a 3 page manual to explain what all the fake switches are really supposed to do.Like I said, posts like yours are really very, very much appreciated.......thanks.http://www.dreamfleet2000.com/gfx/images/F...BANNER_PAUL.jpg

I wrote some of the early Forum posts (reviews) and I praised it. I thought for sure that AVSIM would recognize this Plane more than it did. I read a great review of it in PC Pilot. I bought the plane the day it came out because of DF's past performance with the GA737, which at the time was ground breaking. Also, I had not seen anything out of Paul Golding that did not provide hours of enjoyment.I have been flight simming since 1987. I have tried so many products. I have spent a fortune on this hobby and most of it was money wasted. There are the products that I remember and felt great about the money I spent. I don't compare a product to what is available, but what was available at the time it was introduced. I rate a product on the amount of hours it held my attention, the amount of months (years) I kept it installed, and consider the technology push to Flight Simming which also includes modeling older aircraft systems. This aircraft is in my top ten planes to remember. (out of almost 20 years of simming.) I will retire it when it becomes no longer compatible with FS200X. While I love planes with the all the new technology, sometimes it is fun to practice your dead reconging from Miami to Jamaica, at night. It allows us to practice our stick skills on landings. If you haven't flown this plane with rudder pedals, you are missing out on a great experience. Try a forward slip to shread a little altitude on a too high approach, or windward-wing-down-slight-side-slip-one-wheel-down landing in a stiff crosswind. (You don't have to crab on touch down, you can smoothly transition to the slip to fly stright down the runway.) I haven't corresponded with to many real world pilots that did not love DF's 727.Yes, compared to the PMDG 747 VC graphics, it may be a little dated, but that is an unfare comparison. (Phoenix 747 was once all the rage). For people who actualy like to 'fly' a heavy, this plane has the spirit. BTW, After the PMDG Queen release, I think everyone's VC graphics are dated. That is what it is all about, pushing the tecnology. It doens't make everything before less than what it was. What else can I say, I fly it every week. It is in the hangar with the PMDGs (both), LDS767, Flight One ATR-72, Phoenix Dash-8 and Airbuses. It will stay there as long as these planes do, because they all earned their marks as realistic simulated experiences.Dennis Mitchell

I was "reawakened" to this bird several weeks ago when a thread appeared here at AVSIM, I hadn't flown it for quite a while. I think this is the one product that I can recall that has both of the following sound enhancements (some other products have one or the other-: Gear wind noise- increases with intensity as speed is increased while gear is down. Spoiler "rumble"- once again proportional to airspeed, while spoilers are "up".Plus some incredible engine sounds and wind noise.I also like flying the PMDG B744, but it's so much a total different type of flying when you let the computers onboard do the flight math and fly the plane, than it is when you have to actually "fly" the bird. There's some real thrill in anticipating TOD, using manual thrust (auto-thrust is available with CTRL-R)and a resonable descent rate, and manually intercepting a localizer below the glideslope at approach speed. Even manually figuring out what the stopper heading is when there's crosswind on the localizer. Now that's real flying, and a real world pre-requisite to the glass stuff.Incidentally- I have integrated the GNS-430 into my B727 (RXP product). Makes for a nice add-on that might be a realistic touch, since there's no FMC/FMS and/or INS systems. A cool way too to get some proficiency on the GNS units.It's getting near time for my biannual OS re-install, which then leads to a new FS9 install. I also use this opportunity to weed out some of the add-ons that I have installed, but I can say that the DF B727 will be going back on without a doubt.Bruce.

The DF 727 is one of the best flightsim addon. It is a must for every virtual pilot who likes to fly big jets manually, using old fashioned navigation techniques. I love mine to death !!!! This baby practically flies itself. My hangar will never be complete without it. I hate to say this but Paul (Golding), make the 707 too :D

If anyone is hesitant about purchasing this aircraft becase our friends here at AVSIM have not published a review, don't be. This plane is in the same league as the PMDG 700 series and the Level D 767. It is very gratifying to fly a good approach in this plane with just the steam gauges and your own hands on the throttle and yoke to get you home. Don't get me wrong. I love how easy it is to get set up and go in the 737 from PDMG. But when I have more time, this is the plane that get's pulled out of the hanger.Nothing better than than turning some Jet A into noise on a wet Saturday morning in Portland. Best,

I feel a group hug is in order here. :-) It's a great plane; and Paul Golding's support is great, too. Considering the fact that the poor guy has to answer the same question over and over again: what's that funny ringing/clacking sound that I can't seem to turn off in the cockpit?(referring here to the "shaking" of the instruments).ricardo

I honestly cannot believe that the reviewers on AVSIM actually missed this honey of an airplane!Here's a review for ya:The Dreamfleet 727 is an honest airplane with no bad habits. It will go where you point it and stay there. It also flies as good as it looks and it looks #### good. Do yourself a favor...buy it! BUY IT NOW!!!! ;)Thanks Paul for such a a fine aircaft and my thanks to Paul Springthorpe for the outstanding visual model.

Bill, Thanks, glad you like our baby . . . I was only a beta tester for the flight model because of my time in real 727's, but I have to agree with all that you've said . . . it's hard NOT to love this aircraft, and that is how pilots in real life felt also.Best,Clayhttp://www.dreamfleet2000.com/gfx/images/F...ers/Dopke01.jpgClayton T. Dopke (Clay)Major, USAF (retired)"Drac"

I purchased it when it came out and have enjoyed it ever since. Just got back to it as I can't find any recent airplanes that match in quality when it comes to old school systems except the Ready for Pushback masterpiece. Thats unfortunate avsim won't review it, does it have anything to do with them being nice to Captain Sim or something? I fail to see the reasons behind it... anyway, time to wait til I get off work to fly around some more with her while I await the updated model with winglets and new engine types!

Paul,Your product is excelent and should deserve an objective review.... Thanks to Paul and team for an excelent product. Looking forward to your next project,Best regardsJohn

Hi,Earlier this week, I had an hour in a Full Motion 727-200 sim, and it is amazing how close the DF72 is to the sim, what a wonderful aircraft,It made life so much easier in the sim having done a few hours with the DF72.Well done Paul and the team, keep up the good work.Bill

Is it possible to submit your own reviews to Avsim and hope they publish it or the like?I've never really understood how Avsim Reviewers are selected and what not.

>Is it possible to submit your own reviews to Avsim and hope>they publish it or the like?>>I've never really understood how Avsim Reviewers are selected>and what not.You can check out the following at your leisure if you'd like to...http://forums.avsim.net/dcboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=235Regards,OneTinSoldier

Thanks for the kind comments guys, the whole team really do appreciate it..........and sorry if I sounded a bit p****d in my earlier post; I'd just got back from a short holiday and hadn't slept in over 24 hours.Maybe a new forum idea; real world airline experience? Can you beleive that I sat on an all tourist class 767 operated by Excel (Air Atlanta) for 5 hours at Gatwick before a 10 hour flight to Cuba? Seriously, 15 bloody hours in a sardine can that had almost all toilets in such a mess that most were taped shut by the time we arrived!http://www.dreamfleet2000.com/gfx/images/F...BANNER_PAUL.jpg

Too bad about Excel operating that way. How was Cuba though Paul?