I have recently been getting a consistent sim CTD with this plane on takeoff at a number of airports when using the FMS. I am trying to determine if it is isolated to my computer or if others experience the same. I would appreciate it if others with this aircraft would try this short (due to crashing) flight and report back on this thread.

 

The Flight Plan is KLAS 25R BOACH6 HEC RIIVR2 KLAX.  If it is going to crash it will happen before you get to the second way point so it is a quick test except for initially setting up the flight.

 

I only get the crashes using the latest Navigraph updates (1605 and 1606) combined with the latest FSUIPC versions 4.950 or later. What has me baffled is that if I use the default NAV database that comes the plane (1107) I do not get a crash with the FSUIPC v4.950 and later....or if I use an FSUIPC version earlier than 4.950 I do not get a crash with the laatest NAV cycles. So if you don't have both a recent FSUIPC version and the latest NAV updates you don't need to try this test.

 

I have enjoyed this plane for years until just recently when these CTDs started occurring. When Eaglesoft updated the Citation X for P3D I uninstalled the old FSX only version and installed the latest version along with the latest NAV data and FSUIPC. That's when my problems started. For me this issue is not sim specific and occurs in FSX, P3Dv2, and P3Dv3. I have tried the manual and FMS Data Manager installers for the NavData with the same disappointing results. I have reinstalled my sims and the only active addons are the Citation X, Navdata, and FSUIPC.

 

I have posted about this on the Eaglesoft, FSUIPC, and Navigraph support forums. All three do not know what could be causing this with their respective software. I have tried everything that has been suggested to me and everything I can think of to correct this on my computer.  So before I rebuild my otherwise fine running computer I thought I'd ask here if anyone else was running into the same issue.

 

Appreciate any help with this,

Ted

Hi Ted,

 

Just to confirm the problem exists with my CitationX, latest navdata, and latest fsuipc installed.  I have setup my flights using the CX20 FMS Quick Start Guide that comes with the software.

 

If I use the default navdata with the latest fsuipc, no problem.

 

If i use the latest Navigraph navdata without the fsuipc enabled in the dll.xml, no problem.

 

Any other scenario causes a crash just as I lift off of the runway.  It crashes taking off from some other airports too. 

 

Hopefully others here at AVSIM have had a similar problem and can verify it or tell us what they did to fix the problem.  Hope you get your problem fixed!  If I come up with a solution, I will let you know immediately.

 

Best regards,

Thanks for testing this Jim. Sounds like you are having the exact same issue that I am experiencing. Hopefully someone else will participate that has an idea of what is causing this.

 

Ted

Glad to help Ted as this is certainly a puzzle. 

 

I tried the flight plan again this morning but this time did not include a SID out of KLAS (Broach6).  Instead I set up the RIIVR2 STAR w/the HEC transition.  Set up everything in the FMS (perf ini, takeoff ini, etc.) and took off.  After takeoff I manually turned to the route to HEC and turned on AP after getting on course.  Total success!  So, I think the FMS does not like some of the SID's as it happens at some other airports too (not all).  Here is the FSUIPC.log for the flight:

 

 

********* FSUIPC4, Version 4.955 (1st June 2016) by Pete Dowson *********
Prepar3D.exe version = 3.3.5.17625
Reading options from "K:\Prepar3D_v3\Modules\FSUIPC4.ini"
Running inside Prepar3D v3 on Windows 7
Module base=51C60000
User Name=
User Addr=
FSUIPC4 Key is provided
WIDEFS7 not user registered, or expired
32 System time = 17/06/2016 10:19:01
32 FLT path = "C:\Users\JimY\Documents\Prepar3D v3 Files\"
32 ------ Module Version Check ------
32 acontain.dll: 3.3.5.17625
32 api.dll: 3.3.5.17625
32 controls.dll: 3.3.5.17625
32 fs-traffic.dll: 3.3.5.17625
32 G3D.dll: 3.3.5.17625
32 language.dll: 3.3.5.17625
32 sim1.dll: 3.3.5.17625
32 visualfx.dll: 3.3.5.17625
32 weather.dll: 3.3.5.17625
32 window.dll: 3.3.5.17625
32 ----------------------------------
32 Trying K:\Prepar3D_v3\Modules\SimConnectP3D3.dll
32 Found it: trying to connect
32 FS path = "K:\Prepar3D_v3\"
156 ---------------------- Joystick Device Scan -----------------------
156 Product= Cyborg X
172 Manufacturer= Saitek
172 Vendor=06A3, Product=0836 (Version 1.48)
172 Serial Number=
172 -------------------------------------------------------------------
172 LogOptions=00000000 00000001
172 -------------------------------------------------------------------
172 ------ Setting the hooks and direct calls into the simulator ------
172 --- CONTROLS timer memory location obtained ok
172 --- SIM1 Frictions access gained
172 --- FS Controls Table located ok
172 --- Installed Mouse Macro hooks ok.
172 --- Wind smoothing fix is installed
172 --- All links okay (except older global weather setting method)
172 -------------------------------------------------------------------
172 SimConnect_Open succeeded: waiting to check version okay
172 Trying to use SimConnect Prepar3D
30093 Running in "Lockheed Martin® Prepar3D® v3", Version: 3.3.3.3 (SimConnect: 3.3.0.0)
30093 Initialising SimConnect data requests now
30093 FSUIPC Menu entry added
30093 C:\Users\JimY\AppData\Local\Lockheed Martin\Prepar3D v3\Prepar3D_Default.fxml
30093 K:\Prepar3D_v3\SimObjects\Airplanes\IRIS Raptor Driver\Raptor.air
30530 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 3264288
40218 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 3060296
50451 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 3070344
60279 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 3069784
67112 K:\Prepar3D_v3\SimObjects\Airplanes\Eaglesoft Citation X 2.0\CitationX.air
70326 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 2896856
80497 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 2635500
90481 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 2492764
100574 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 2245484
105941 System time = 17/06/2016 10:20:47, Simulator time = 10:20:07 (17:20Z)
105941 Aircraft="Eaglesoft Citation X 2.0 N800ES"
108343 Weather Mode now = Theme
110434 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 2143588
110902 Starting everything now ...
110933 ASN active function link set
110933 Ready for ASN WX radar
112259 Advanced Weather Interface Enabled
120449 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 2108908
130526 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 2114220
140511 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 2114732
150573 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 2097612
160603 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 2119988
180650 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 2123140
200696 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 2121012
210742 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 2122628
220773 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 2122156
230804 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 2120028
240804 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 2119788
250834 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 2121436
260850 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 2121948
270896 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 2118776
280943 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 2111096
290958 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 2112760
295934 Exception 3 "UNRECOGNIZED_ID", Ref 9098, Index param 3 on write SetData for "GENERAL ENG THROTTLE LEVER POSITION:2"
301020 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 2105032
320988 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 2106288
331050 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 2103648
351096 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 2108164
361127 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 2105524
371205 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 2105392
381220 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 2099292
391251 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 2093548
401251 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 2097392
411313 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 2108772
421359 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 2106132
431406 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 2106644
433527 Sim stopped: average frame rate for last 328 secs = 28.1 fps
433527 Max AI traffic was 92 aircraft
441670 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 2112740
451483 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 2080388
461529 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 2080900
481576 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 2078260
491575 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 2062580
511684 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 2062068
521715 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 2062500
531745 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 2064708
551807 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 2063092
561838 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 2063012
571838 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 2056004
581884 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 2058532
591931 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 2060516
601946 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 2057800
612008 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 2046848
622054 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 2042572
632070 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 2038108
642101 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 2039100
652147 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 2037564
662209 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 2041816
672256 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 2046096
682318 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 2049892
692333 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 2038096
702348 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 2051796
712426 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 2047380
722488 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 2036464
732534 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 2044756
742565 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 2044400
752612 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 2040432
762658 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 2044464
772720 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 2073092
782767 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 2048292
792813 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 2051300
802875 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 2047476
812906 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 2049172
814014 Exception 3 "UNRECOGNIZED_ID", Ref 18729, Index param 3 on write SetData for "GENERAL ENG THROTTLE LEVER POSITION:1"
822921 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 2051096
832999 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 2044280

Removed some of the VAS usage text to shorten the log
2218303 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1565232
2228303 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1558020
2238350 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1523712
2248412 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1515912
2258458 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1525356
2268489 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1524744
2278551 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1518700
2288660 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1514836
2298675 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1522508
2308706 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1508612
2318721 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1503684
2328737 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1507044
2338767 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1503216
2348783 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1502336
2358829 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1504732
2368844 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1502384
2378907 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1505476
2388937 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1501196
2398984 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1502256
2409046 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1487216
2419108 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1479228
2429108 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1466524
2439138 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1470796
2449169 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1468948
2459216 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1403708
2469262 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1419968
2479293 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1419448
2489293 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1416428
2499324 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1417884
2509323 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1418428
2519354 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1414912
2529463 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1403180
2539463 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1398840
2549494 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1397828
2559493 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1396112
2569540 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1387876
2579617 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1230380
2589633 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1177428
2599664 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1205032
2609694 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1207328
2619772 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1204040
2629772 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1206756
2639943 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1205688
2649974 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1205184
2660036 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1180104
2670082 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1187720
2680129 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1192672
2690175 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1078100
2700191 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1083972
2710237 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 1074980
2720346 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 965044
2730392 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 993456
2740408 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 942872
2750454 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 979856
2760469 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 961700
2770500 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 959208
2780562 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 954508
2790609 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 936160
2800671 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 941576
2810780 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 938152
2820873 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 925232
2830935 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 901472
2840997 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 933232
2851090 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 927012
2861184 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 936844
2871214 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 837096
2881230 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 848232
2891261 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 847888
2901307 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 848320
2911354 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 859856
2921447 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 840188
2931478 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 799488
2941524 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 847000
2951602 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 841808
2961633 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 844356
2971679 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 836916
2981710 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 840104
2991741 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 837848
3001756 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 839500
3011834 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 842520
3021865 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 828564
3031895 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 841652
3041926 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 832996
3052020 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 838980
3062066 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 828744
3072081 Monitor IPC:024C (S32) = 824304
3080927 Sim stopped: average frame rate for last 2632 secs = 23.8 fps
3080927 Max AI traffic was 307 aircraft
3100708 === NOTE: not calling SimConnect_Close ...
3101706 System time = 17/06/2016 11:10:42, Simulator time = 11:09:27 (18:09Z)
3101706 *** FSUIPC log file being closed
Minimum frame rate was 8.2 fps, Maximum was 29.8 fps
Minimum available memory recorded was 781Mb
Average frame rate for running time of 2960 secs = 24.3 fps
Maximum AI traffic for session was 307 aircraft
Memory managed: 1330 Allocs, 1330 Freed
********* FSUIPC Log file closed ***********

 

 

There were two errors noted during the flight.  Not sure what they mean.  Didn't cause any crash or issues though: 

 

295934 Exception 3 "UNRECOGNIZED_ID", Ref 9098, Index param 3 on write SetData for "GENERAL ENG THROTTLE LEVER POSITION:2"

814014 Exception 3 "UNRECOGNIZED_ID", Ref 18729, Index param 3 on write SetData for "GENERAL ENG THROTTLE LEVER POSITION:1"

 

For the crashes I have been encountering, here is the latest AppCrashView report showing the API.dll as the fault for each one:

 

 

Version=1
EventType=APPCRASH
EventTime=131106461708910697
ReportType=2
Consent=1
UploadTime=131106461709380724
ReportIdentifier=1b8fab95-3495-11e6-9366-74d02b2c1fc8
IntegratorReportIdentifier=1b8fab94-3495-11e6-9366-74d02b2c1fc8
WOW64=1
Response.BucketId=846708272
Response.BucketTable=25
Response.type=4
Sig[0].Name=Application Name
Sig[0].Value=Prepar3D.exe
Sig[1].Name=Application Version
Sig[1].Value=3.3.5.17625
Sig[2].Name=Application Timestamp
Sig[2].Value=5758bb31
Sig[3].Name=Fault Module Name
Sig[3].Value=api.dll
Sig[4].Name=Fault Module Version
Sig[4].Value=3.3.5.17625
Sig[5].Name=Fault Module Timestamp
Sig[5].Value=5758bbad
Sig[6].Name=Exception Code
Sig[6].Value=c0000005
Sig[7].Name=Exception Offset
Sig[7].Value=000f37ec
DynamicSig[1].Name=OS Version
DynamicSig[1].Value=6.1.7601.2.1.0.768.3
DynamicSig[2].Name=Locale ID
DynamicSig[2].Value=1033
UI[2]=K:\Prepar3D_v3\Prepar3D.exe
UI[3]=A fatal error occurred.
UI[4]=Windows can check online for a solution to the problem.
UI[5]=Check online for a solution and close the program
UI[6]=Check online for a solution later and close the program
UI[7]=Close the program
LoadedModule[0]=K:\Prepar3D_v3\Prepar3D.exe
LoadedModule[1]=C:\Windows\SysWOW64\ntdll.dll
LoadedModule[2]=C:\Windows\syswow64\kernel32.dll
LoadedModule[3]=C:\Windows\syswow64\KERNELBASE.dll
LoadedModule[4]=C:\Windows\syswow64\USER32.dll
LoadedModule[5]=C:\Windows\syswow64\GDI32.dll
LoadedModule[6]=C:\Windows\syswow64\LPK.dll
LoadedModule[7]=C:\Windows\syswow64\USP10.dll
LoadedModule[8]=C:\Windows\syswow64\msvcrt.dll
LoadedModule[9]=C:\Windows\syswow64\ADVAPI32.dll
LoadedModule[10]=C:\Windows\SysWOW64\sechost.dll
LoadedModule[11]=C:\Windows\syswow64\RPCRT4.dll
LoadedModule[12]=C:\Windows\syswow64\SspiCli.dll
LoadedModule[13]=C:\Windows\syswow64\CRYPTBASE.dll
LoadedModule[14]=C:\Windows\syswow64\ole32.dll
LoadedModule[15]=K:\Prepar3D_v3\api.dll
LoadedModule[16]=C:\Windows\system32\Cabinet.dll
LoadedModule[17]=C:\Windows\system32\MSWSOCK.dll
LoadedModule[18]=C:\Windows\syswow64\WS2_32.dll
LoadedModule[19]=C:\Windows\syswow64\NSI.dll
LoadedModule[20]=C:\Windows\system32\WINHTTP.dll
LoadedModule[21]=C:\Windows\system32\webio.dll
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LoadedModule[23]=C:\Windows\system32\WINMM.dll
LoadedModule[24]=C:\Windows\system32\VERSION.dll
LoadedModule[25]=C:\Windows\syswow64\IMM32.dll
LoadedModule[26]=C:\Windows\syswow64\MSCTF.dll
LoadedModule[27]=C:\Windows\syswow64\SHELL32.dll
LoadedModule[28]=C:\Windows\syswow64\SHLWAPI.dll
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LoadedModule[30]=K:\Prepar3D_v3\ai_player.dll
LoadedModule[31]=K:\Prepar3D_v3\atc.dll
LoadedModule[32]=K:\Prepar3D_v3\demo.dll
LoadedModule[33]=K:\Prepar3D_v3\controls.dll
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LoadedModule[35]=C:\Windows\syswow64\SETUPAPI.dll
LoadedModule[36]=C:\Windows\syswow64\CFGMGR32.dll
LoadedModule[37]=C:\Windows\syswow64\OLEAUT32.dll
LoadedModule[38]=C:\Windows\syswow64\DEVOBJ.dll
LoadedModule[39]=K:\Prepar3D_v3\flight.dll
LoadedModule[40]=K:\Prepar3D_v3\facilities.dll
LoadedModule[41]=K:\Prepar3D_v3\fe.dll
LoadedModule[42]=C:\Windows\syswow64\USERENV.dll
LoadedModule[43]=C:\Windows\syswow64\profapi.dll
LoadedModule[44]=K:\Prepar3D_v3\main.dll
LoadedModule[45]=C:\Windows\syswow64\COMDLG32.dll
LoadedModule[46]=K:\Prepar3D_v3\DIS.dll
LoadedModule[47]=K:\Prepar3D_v3\g3d.dll
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LoadedModule[51]=C:\Windows\system32\MSVCP120.dll
LoadedModule[52]=C:\Windows\system32\MSVCR120.dll
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LoadedModule[54]=C:\Windows\system32\dxgi.dll
LoadedModule[55]=C:\Windows\system32\dwmapi.dll
LoadedModule[56]=C:\Windows\system32\d3d9.dll
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LoadedModule[59]=C:\Windows\system32\OPENGL32.dll
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LoadedModule[62]=C:\Windows\system32\DCIMAN32.dll
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LoadedModule[64]=C:\Windows\syswow64\WLDAP32.dll
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LoadedModule[67]=K:\Prepar3D_v3\simprop.dll
LoadedModule[68]=K:\Prepar3D_v3\util.dll
LoadedModule[69]=K:\Prepar3D_v3\terrain.dll
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LoadedModule[71]=K:\Prepar3D_v3\multiplayer.dll
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LoadedModule[73]=C:\Windows\system32\POWRPROF.dll
LoadedModule[74]=K:\Prepar3D_v3\panels.dll
LoadedModule[75]=K:\Prepar3D_v3\sim1.dll
LoadedModule[76]=K:\Prepar3D_v3\fs-traffic.dll
LoadedModule[77]=K:\Prepar3D_v3\livingwater.dll
LoadedModule[78]=K:\Prepar3D_v3\window.dll
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LoadedModule[80]=K:\Prepar3D_v3\sound.dll
LoadedModule[81]=K:\Prepar3D_v3\audiere.dll
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LoadedModule[91]=C:\Windows\system32\bcrypt.dll
LoadedModule[92]=C:\Windows\system32\ntmarta.dll
LoadedModule[93]=K:\Prepar3D_v3\uiInterface.dll
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LoadedModule[95]=C:\Windows\Microsoft.NET\Framework\v4.0.30319\mscoreei.dll
LoadedModule[96]=C:\Windows\Microsoft.NET\Framework\v4.0.30319\clr.dll
LoadedModule[97]=C:\Windows\system32\MSVCR120_CLR0400.dll
LoadedModule[98]=C:\Windows\assembly\NativeImages_v4.0.30319_32\mscorlib\affcb83bba04f782c2586a1788330891\mscorlib.ni.dll
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LoadedModule[100]=C:\Windows\assembly\NativeImages_v4.0.30319_32\System\d03eb8a47500f40d5428f9c6875f8e56\System.ni.dll
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LoadedModule[102]=C:\Windows\assembly\NativeImages_v4.0.30319_32\WindowsBase\778c4647568c87adb6930daa13e24b88\WindowsBase.ni.dll
LoadedModule[103]=C:\Windows\system32\CRYPTSP.dll
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So my suggestion is to avoid SID's, especially the ones out of KLAS.  Hopefully the problem will be sorted out by someone who can figure out what we are doing wrong as it does not appear anyone else uses the Eaglesoft CitationX or has a problem with it.

 

Best regards,

 

 

 

 

 

So my suggestion is to avoid SID's, especially the ones out of KLAS. Hopefully the problem will be sorted out by someone who can figure out what we are doing wrong as it does not appear anyone else uses the Eaglesoft CitationX or has a problem with it.

 

I'll try to load it up today and give it a try.  Will post back.

Hi Ted!

I use this plane with the latest nav database 1606 and the latest fsuipc(payware version) and it works perfectly using the FMC for navigate. I did a flight today, KPSP to KSFF with a Cathedral one dep and the plane follow exactly this departure and I never get a CTD at other airports like KMIA, KFLL, KRSW, KTEB...using a SID with the latest Nav Database and FSUIPC. It seems to be very specific to this flight . Hope you will sorted out this problem :wink:. 

 

Best regards

 

Pat

 

 

using a SID with the latest Nav Database and FSUIPC. It seems to be very specific to this flight .

 

So you are getting the api.dll error if you use the flight plan posted in OP (KLAS 25R BOACH6 HEC RIIVR2 KLAX) too?  I have found success with flight plans from other locations like from KLAX to KSFO and others using a SID/STAR and the latest NAVDATA.  But, I think Ted is trying to show the error occurs 100% of the time with the plan he posted (as well as with me if I use the SID).

 

 

I'll try to load it up today and give it a try.  Will post back.

That's great Greg! 

 

Best regards,

Instead I set up the RIIVR2 STAR w/the HEC transition.

 

Jim,

I have the same results. If I do not use the BOACH6 SID it does not crash. For me it is a strange frustrating Bermuda Triangle that requires a SID with *ALTO1 as first waypoint, recent Nav Cycle, and recent FSUIPC. That is the witches brew for a crash on my computer.

Ted

 

 

 

It seems to be very specific to this flight .

 

Pat,

It is specific to this flight and others. What I have found is that with this flight and others that have *ALTO1 as the first waypoint I get the crash. If I use the PERFUM3 departure from KLAS 25R which does not have *ALTO1 as a waypoint I do not get the crash. Any SID I use at any airport with the *ALTO1 as the first waypoint crashes. I have flown the CX for years without this problem. It is just recently with the latest Nav cycles and latest FSUIPC versions that I am experiencing this issue. I am trying to determine if it is specific to my ( and now also Jim's) computer or if it is occurring with others as well. Would you mind trying the flight plan I posted above on my original post?

Thanks,

Ted

any airport with the *ALTO1 as the first waypoint crashes. I have flown the CX for years without this problem.

 

 

This problem was first discussed here on AVSIM - http://www.avsim.com/topic/383961-eaglesoft-citation-x-20-sidstar-problem/ w/no resolution noted except one of our solutions (to fly using the default navdata).

 

This may be a real world issue with the Honeywell - https://honeywell.com/sites/AeroFSSCMS/INDS/Documents/DSB201605001.pdf . 

 

After reading the following document, it indicated you had to be up at a certain altitude shown by the *alt01 waypoint.  For the KLAS departure, that required to be above 2680.

 

http://code7700.com/g450_fms_departure_coding.html

 

 

So I tried that theory and no joy.  Got to 3000 feet and it still crashed with the api.dll as the fault.  I'm thinking now that the *alt01 waypoint can be removed IF the flight plan w/final destination has not been finalized/closed.  Have not tried that theory yet.  Also wondering if there shouldn't be an A next to 7000 at RBELL. 

 

EDIT:  Just tried deleting *alt01 and it worked with RBELL as the first waypoint until I began putting in the Perf Init stuff.

 

Still trying...

 

Best regards,

Edited June 17, 20169 yr by Jim Young

I would rather the FMS went a bit bonkers than cause a CTD.  A CTD is the worst possible outcome.

While we don't do support here at Avsim we are looking for experienced CX pilots like yourselves who wish to beta test a new build which may resolve a number of difficulties we are hearing about.

Those interested may contact me with specific names and email addresses for testing setup. :wink:

I just flew the plan from the OP and didn't crash... so I think I have it corrected.  However, like Ron stated... need someone brave enough to do some testing.  

Those interested may contact me with specific names and email addresses for testing setup.

 

I'm interested Ron. I will PM you with my contact info.

 

 

This may be a real world issue with the Honeywell - https://honeywell.co...SB201605001.pdf .

 

You are amazing Jim! How do you find this stuff?

 

 

I just flew the plan from the OP and didn't crash... so I think I have it corrected.

 

Ed, I'll volunteer. I also just discovered something else today.

 

Just after I made the post above about the *ALTO1 way point I was bouncing around the country trying out different airports and I was able to depart a SID with the *ALTO1 waypoint. So I went back to KLAS 25R and tried it again there. It didn't crash but instead I got the DATA LOAD 128 message in the FMS at the same time as I used to get the crash. The only thing I did different was to start the sim at a different airport first. I then shut down the sim and tried again at KLAS and it crashed. Then I restarted the sim, loaded the flight at KLAS25R, ended the flight, then reloaded the same flight and it didn't crash. So it appears, for me anyway, that reloading a flight before starting gives me the DATA LOAD 128 message instead of a crash. Both occur just after passing *ALTO1 waypoint and testings was only done with FSX. I haven't tried P3D yet or just reloading the plane instead of the whole flight. Hope this information helps.

 

Ted

Glad you are volunteering Ted!  I have only tested with P3Dv3 and have been getting the same crashes as you have except I have never seen the data load 128 message.

 

If there is an issue with the Navigraph navdata, the hypergauge, and/or fms, I would love to see a fix as it is frustrating.  Plus, we have a lot of members here who get unexplained api.dll errors and this might be the explanation.

Here's a silly thought...  lol

 

ALTO1 waypoint    O vs 0