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NEW Ikarus C42 for FSX

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Evening everyone!

 

I am particularly excited about this so wanted to post everywhere I have a forum membership - there is soon to be a payware C42 Ikarus (COMCO approved and pilot tested flight dynamics!) available for FSX and P3D! Brought to you in collaboration with the very excellent chaps at Sim720.

 

You can find it here: http://airsim720.com/

 

It's launching on 01 August - not long to wait either! I'm particularly excited about this as it's the aircraft I fly (in real life!) and I know many people in our hobbie have been looking for one.

 

Cheers all

 

Dave

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Thanks for the heads up on this Dave - I love LSAs and Microlights, and we are sorely short of good ones for FSX/P3D, so excited about this one.

 

Will be getting it on Day 1.

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Hi JYW

 

I totally agree! Specifically payware ones - although I love free stuff (who doesn't right?!) but something that has had this amount of effort put into it (like Carenado's models and the many others you have to pay for) I think it makes a difference and very pleased to see this coming out into the market for us to play with!

 

Cheers, Dave

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I see they've released now, and it's priced at £25 (it's a UK site), which is $35 US.  Quite a bit more than I expected, as Sim720 price their scenery at the lower end (around £15).  Not that I would object to paying £25 for a good LSA / Microlight, but they really haven't provided anywhere near enough screenshots and good videos (the video that is up there is mostly a real C42, and a home cockpit sim), for people to make an informed choice.

 

I'll probably wait until there are some vids on YouTube, so I can take a good look at it (+ listen to the sounds).  If it had been £15-£18 I'd have just took a chance and bought it straight off, but not for £25.

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For £24.99+VAT I would expect to see much better screenshots, especially of the vc.

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My word!!!! ..... just realized it's £24.99 + VAT

 

So for those in Europe, it costs £30 ($39.90).

 

I'm out.

 

Especially considering some of the low quality texturing on the screenshots that we do have :-

 

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For £24.99+VAT I would expect to see much better screenshots, especially of the vc.

 

(the video that is up there is mostly a real C42, and a home cockpit sim

 

 

To be fair  to Sim720, there's around 20 or so screenshots of the aircraft - including detailed close ups of the VC, and the video I'm viewing (2.38 mins long - the same one?) is only the simulator product - at least I hope so, there's no one in the cockpit...

I think it looks rather smart - but agree on comments re the pricing - 

Eugene

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I have just seen the promo video

and I am not sure what the issue is with 'not enough detail'. It's clearly the real model and not a home built cockpit or real flying footage but FSX footage. Perhaps it's that good that it has you fooled? You can clearly see all the textures and gauges and it does look like a hell of a lot of work has gone into it. Perhaps the price is a little high but I note it is endorsed by Comco Ikarus themselves, which is rare for an FSX/P3D add-on aircraft and they claim that the Flight Dynamics have been designed, tested and approved by real C42 pilots. I guess that's why the price is more than you would expect but for that level of detail and accuracy I think the price is about right. 

 

My word!!!! ..... just realized it's £24.99 + VAT

 

So for those in Europe, it costs £30 ($39.90).

 

I'm out.

 

Especially considering some of the low quality texturing on the screenshots that we do have :-

 

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I have just seen the promo video

and I am not sure what the issue is with 'not enough detail'. It's clearly the real model and not a home built cockpit or real flying footage but FSX footage. Perhaps it's that good that it has you fooled? You can clearly see all the textures and gauges and it does look like a hell of a lot of work has gone into it. Perhaps the price is a little high but I note it is endorsed by Comco Ikarus themselves, which is rare for an FSX/P3D add-on aircraft and they claim that the Flight Dynamics have been designed, tested and approved by real C42 pilots. I guess that's why the price is more than you would expect but for that level of detail and accuracy I think the price is about right. 

 

I don't think anybody got confused between the 'in sim' footage, and that of the sim pit - but the first video they released was mostly of the said simpit.    Of all of the promo videos to date, not one shows off the sounds from this C42, and for me, sounds are important in smaller LSAs/Microlights, as there's a lot of sound involved when you're flying these aircraft in real life. 

 

I've been checking YouTube on a daily basis for user videos of this addon, and as yet there still aren't any.  It may well be worth the money, but there's still not enough showcasing of it out there, to make a decision IMHO.

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The world's first automated plane...

 

I thought the strange idea of some modellers to not put in pilot's figures into external models (kind of reducing it to a walk-around, ground model externally because it immediately cancels all immersion if you look at it in the air) had died out.

 

I suggest this be updated pretty soon. Otherwise it seems a really nice offering!

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At that price you couldn't even put a pilot in it. Really?

It definitely needs a pilot so it looks a little more normal from an outside view.  The prop spin looked a little erratic.  I just tried a freeware version from FS2004 and it flew pretty well.  Overall it's a little too small

for the type of flying I like. 

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I don't think anybody got confused between the 'in sim' footage, and that of the sim pit - but the first video they released was mostly of the said simpit.    Of all of the promo videos to date, not one shows off the sounds from this C42, and for me, sounds are important in smaller LSAs/Microlights, as there's a lot of sound involved when you're flying these aircraft in real life. 

 

I've been checking YouTube on a daily basis for user videos of this addon, and as yet there still aren't any.  It may well be worth the money, but there's still not enough showcasing of it out there, to make a decision IMHO.

I just got it and I can confirm, as an Ikarus pilot, that the engine sounds are a Rotax 912. The documentation says 912UL 80HP. Sounds spot on to me.

The world's first automated plane...

 

I thought the strange idea of some modellers to not put in pilot's figures into external models (kind of reducing it to a walk-around, ground model externally because it immediately cancels all immersion if you look at it in the air) had died out.

 

I suggest this be updated pretty soon. Otherwise it seems a really nice offering!

Asked the question for you and a pilot is coming very soon as well as a few other things, not specified but as part of an update. Great news.!

The flight dynamics are bloody spot on.!! Great job guys. Really impressed with this little baby.

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I just got it and I can confirm, as an Ikarus pilot, that the engine sounds are a Rotax 912. The documentation says 912UL 80HP. Sounds spot on to me.

 

That's good to hear, cheers.  I don't suppose you fancy recording a YouTube video for it? :smile:

 

Can you confirm whether there are any sounds on the switchgear, etc?  I seem to remember the C42 having rather loud, stiff metallic mag switches.  Just wondering if they've modelled any interior / immersive sounds, or whether it's just standard SDK sounds (engines, flaps, etc)?

 

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EDIT:   Well, I decided to take the hit and buy it.

 

After completing the rather odd and complicated process to get hold of my download, I now have it :wink:   ............ feedback on it's way.  :smile:

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That's good to hear, cheers.  I don't suppose you fancy recording a YouTube video for it? :smile:

 

Can you confirm whether there are any sounds on the switchgear, etc?  I seem to remember the C42 having rather loud, stiff metallic mag switches.  Just wondering if they've modelled any interior / immersive sounds, or whether it's just standard SDK sounds (engines, flaps, etc)?

Hi Bill,

 

Youtube production is not my things sadly but I can confirm the sounds are great. The fuel pump sounds like the real Ikarus fuel pump, not the default FSX one. The flap gate sound is spot on as well. The switches sound right to me but given that no two Ikarus cockpit layouts and fittings are the same, the switches fitted sound just right and not the default FSX sound. The Engine start and stop is again spot on and in sync with the prop, which as you know stops on a dime when turned off. MAG drop on the RMP gauge is spot on as well. All in all, I really have to give this a 9/10. Would give it 10 if it had a pilot but they say that's coming in an update soon. My advice is GET IT. You will not be disappointed Bill if you want a very good C42 that really flys like a C42. As a pilot of the C42, I am very impressed and for once, the hype  and propaganda they have put out is all true.

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Ok,

 

Here's just some very brief feedback from a super fast circuit.  I took my new C42 to Skiathos :wink:

 

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1). It is a staggeringly simple add-on, with no gauges added to the DLL, no configuration options at all, only 2 liveries, and a file size of 53Mb uncompressed (not that file size is a measure of anything).  It is pure default FSX SDK content, with features comparable to the FSX AirCreation 582 Ultralight. (Actually, doesn't the FSX ultralight come with a handheld GPS?).

 

2). There is only one pop-up panel, in-sim;  the radio. 

 

2). There is no GPS on board.  I appreciate a C42 won't have a GTN750 fitted, but a handheld GPS (such as that which Ants Aircrafts provides) would have been nice.   I will add the default GPS295.

 

3). There are no switchgear or other sounds whatsoever.  Just the engine, fuel pump (which I can confirm does sound authentic), and flap sounds.  The canopy door sound is, I believe, the default FSX "small_door_open" sound.

 

4). The FDE feels about right - it's light and fun, as you'd expect.

 

5). The manual is one of those that models itself on the real aircraft, rather than features in sim - probably because there are no features provided other than the basic aircraft function as you'd get with a default FSX aircraft.  

 

6). The manual refers to other version, such as one with a constant speed propeller - but don't be led to believe that these other versions and features are included - they're not.

 

Summary

 

It is actually pretty nice, and I'd be quite happy with it, had I paid £9.99 for it, which is what I honestly would deem it to be worth.   Seriously, it is staggeringly over-priced at £24.99+VAT, for what is provided (or rather, not provided).

 

The feature set (with no configuration options, 2 liveries, no custom sounds aside from the engine/fuel pump/flaps, no handheld GPS, etc, etc) is comparable with a decent freeware offering.   The textures are certainly well above typical freeware standards, but not to the standard of, for example, an Alabeo model.

 

Would I recommend this? ......... Well, unless you are fanatical and obsessed with the C42; not in a million years. I honestly feel utterly ripped off at the price point I have paid.   So little is offered for the money, compared to what we're typically used to.

 

If they offer a sale and you can get it for £9.99 - it'd be worth that.  Honestly, in my opinion, not a penny more.

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....further feedback, from more use.

 

  • There is no clickspot on the door handle. The only way to open the door is with CTRL+E, and both doors open together (you cannot open just the left door for instance).

 

  • Some of the animations have huge delays; eg. press the magneto switches, the 'action' occurs immediately, the animation of the switches moving happens around 1 second later.   Same issue with the flaps lever.

 

  • The trim is painfully sensitive; one click on my trim button results in a 4 degree pitch change (around 500FPM change!!). I "fixed" this by changing the [Elevator_trim_range] to 19.5, in the Aircraft.cfg.

 

  • The starter sound barely plays at all - on hitting the start button, the engine just immediately runs - a CFG timing error in the sound.cfg.

 

  • FDE: The engine seems over-powered to me, noticeable especially on climbout. Also, the roll stability seems artificially too high - it flies likes it's on rails, even in higher winds, in terms of roll.  This could be adjusted in the [Roll_Stability] section of the [Flight Tuning] section of the aircraft.cfg.   But I would not be keen to make settings here, on a model apparantly certified by Comco-Ikarus.  Happy to accept this one as highly subjective, although I don't remember the C42 feeling that 'nailed' from my time in a real one (8 flights; around 6 hours).

 

  • It is quite good fun to fly - visibility is excellent - it's a really good platform for (very) low and (very) slow flying over Orbx regions.

 

 

If they fix the glaring bugs and ommissions, it could be great fun.  At present, considering the price, it's one to avoid IMHO.

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I wonder if the threadstarter and some of the responders who are so enthusiastic about this addon are astrotufers... I know it's not nice to suspect this but both posters who have been gushing in their promotion of the Icarus have only very few posts under their belt and most of them in this thread. What is the tack record of the company releasing this ?

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Here's just some very brief feedback from a super fast circuit.  I took my new C42 to Skiathos :wink:

 

Thank you for the mini-review! Sorry to hear that you didn't get your money's worth, but you've just saved me (and probably some others too) 33 Euros. :wink:

I was fairly interested in this airplane, but it seems that it would be a far better idea to get Ant's excellent Eaglet at less than half the price.

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