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New NVidia Titan-X (Pascal) plus FlyElise-nl Warp software - WOW!

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Hi fellow pilots,
 
I posted this today on the P3D forums, and I'm sharing it here, after waiting YEARS to get rid of NVidia "Surround" views on my triple monitors in Prepar3D v.3.3.5, I stumbled across 2 software products by a company called Fly Elise.  Let me invite you to watch this product on my YouTube channel and compare the views at 60-degree offsets vs. much smaller offsets in NVidia Surround on those same 3 monitors.  The difference is ASTOUNDING.  This solution requires high performance video card, my system is 4.0ghz i72600K mild overclock.  The new Intel Skylake 6700K defaults to 4ghz Turbo mode (no overclock), so you get a Skylake and the new Titan-X (Pascal) plus the two software progs shown in the video and you may be amazed at the results.  You STILL have to pay attention to sliders and high-end adds such as PMDG (I don't fly PMDG any more because I fly Sim Avionics plus Flight Deck Solutions hardware).  Hope this helps those searching for the undistorted wing views in perfect sync.
 
My post:
UPDATE: I have posted a video on YouTube showing P3D driving 3 monitors on just ONE PC without using NVidia Surround.
Here is a post I shared with some of my tech buddies on P3D:
 
Well, I finally discovered a GREAT solution to give me the long-awaited triple-views with 60-degree offsets on the wing monitors and NO DISTORTION using P3dv3.3.5 and a pair of VERY FINE products by Fly Elise-nl.net The two products are listed in my video description on YouTube (this video is free of advertising). You can also see the identical flight using NVSurround (the "old" way of doing things). In both videos, the brand new NVidia Titan-X "Pascal" video card (available ONLY from Nvidia.com online store) proves it is truly a beast of a card.
I am running Orbx KPSP (Palm Springs) and Orbx SoCal, along with Active Sky 2016. I think you will be pretty impressed by the sync of the monitors (flawless!) using the warping software, and the fact that an i7 2600K cpu (mildly overclocked to just 4.0 ghz) is able to drive this setup.
While I don't think the new Pascal could drive 3 4K UHD displays properly (even Nvidia says you would need 2 of their beast cards in SLI just to run in NVSurround (NV Surround NOT needed using the warping software), for the many many pilots who are struggling with triple monitor goals, the solution I bumped into is HUGE. It was a very long wait.
On the bright side the Fly Elise products are straightforward and do not require a rocket scientist to set up or run. Their LCD Designer Pro will calculate the asynchronous frustrums (camera views) requiring nothing more than precise metric dimensions of the display screen area, plus precise measurements of the bezels (upper, lower, left and right). There is an export button, and a new View Groups.XML is exported along with the three individual camera cfg files to a temp folder. User then copies the XML file over to USERNAME\APPDATA\Lockheed Martin\Prepar3D folder (overwriting the one that is there already). Then USER starts up Fly Elise Immersive Display Pro and setups the three displays, and imports each individual display camera cfg file, then click SAVE in the program to write those views to P3D.
Upon starting up P3D, user sees just 1 display showing P3D. Right click on desktop, choose View Groups, and select LCD Designer Pro. Bingo, all 3 monitors light up, perfectly synched and I mean PERFECTLY. Frames are insane, even with the system rendering the sim in 3 (frameless) warped windows. Check it out!  HERE IS THE NEW WAY:

 

And now Here is the OLD Way (same flight on NVidia Surround WITHOUT FlyElise Warping)  Note the BAD STRETCHING and how the side panel views are much smaller offset angles, and how fast the side panel scenery must move to stay in sync with Center display!

I hope you will consider sharing this info with those who have struggled mightily for so long. Best of all, only ONE PC needed for the visuals. On my system I have a second PC driving Sim Avionics software to drive my hardware instruments, and a third all-in-one PC to do the glass cockpit shown below my external view monitors. All systems are Windows 10.
My long-awaited dream finally came true, without having to use multi-channel (networked) views. Obviously 4K displays would likely need the multi-channel approach still under development. Mine are 1080P displays.  Note:  If you have not got LCD monitors yet, be sure to purchase IPS displays.  They will render colors better at different viewing angles.  In my case the displays vary depending on which angle you are viewing them.

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While I don't think the new Pascal could drive 3 4K UHD displays properly (even Nvidia says you would need 2 of their beast cards in SLI just to run in NVSurround (NV Surround NOT needed using the warping software), for the many many pilots who are struggling with triple monitor goals, the solution I bumped into is HUGE. It was a very long wait.

 

Thanks for the heads-up, this is sounding very good.

Can you tell me if this will correct the distortion of a single monitor

which I admit is a lot less than a triple setup but is still there if you look for it?

 

gb

 

Edit: To be fair to Surround, in your video Surround is displaying an awfully greater true field of view.

You really need to match the two fields for a fair comparison.

 

gb.

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Thanks for the heads-up, this is sounding very good.

Can you tell me if this will correct the distortion of a single monitor

which I admit is a lot less than a triple setup but is still there if you look for it?

 

gb

 

Edit: To be fair to Surround, in your video Surround is displaying an awfully greater true field of view.

You really need to match the two fields for a fair comparison.

 

gb.

 

Hi- I suggest you reach out to Fly Elise support, they would be happy to answer you, even though you are not "yet" a customer :D  I was and am very impressed with their support.  And to be fair, NV Surround is better than nothing, but only "just".  You can NOT see 'around the corner' when you're flying in the landing pattern.  Even in my setup, I don't have a full 90-degrees out each side monitor.  But it is a LOT better than it was with NVSurround.  Best of all, the Fly Elise software does NOT require you be a math genius to calculate the views.  You use a simple visual layout to show your monitors, then you "EXPORT" those and the Immersive Display Pro takes the exported files and calculates each of your 3 camera views.  Yes, this product can do MORE than 3 monitors.  YES, it can do projection displays as well as monitors.  I was stunned and amazed by how easy this was, and I am a real coward with the word "Frustrums" (cameras). 

 

BTW, NVSurround produces VERY SEVERE distortion of the views, elongated objects are a buzz kill, example "stretched" airplanes next to you on the ramp, clouds that are pulled lengthwise, etc, etc.  BUILDINGS that are stretched... and so on.  It was so annoying I darn near went back to XPlane, and it's ugly compared to Orbx world.

 

That said, my solution requires high end software and I suggest the ultimate video card (New Pascal Titan-X, not just the 1080).  In 3 displays @ 1920x1080 you are rendering over 6 MILLION pixels PER FRAME.  If you are using MSAA x 2, you are drawing those 6 million pixels TWICE per frame to 'average them'.  In plain language, you need all the graphics horsepower in the world, and you STILL need to balance your sliders, example, I don't use ANY cars, boats, or Artificial Traffic.  My graphics settings are NOT maxed.  I have to balance things, partly because the ORBX SoCal and payware airports tax the system more than simple autogen.  But holy cow, does it look GREAT.

 

What's really cool is you can use Fly Elise FREE for 30 days before buying the Immersive Display Pro warping software.  You do NOT run NV Surround when using FlyElise products.  You DO need a muscular CPU at high GHZ.  I recommend 4 ghz or higher.  Speed more important than cores IMHO.

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Hi- I suggest you reach out to Fly Elise support, they would be happy to answer you, even though you are not "yet" a customer :D  I was and am very impressed with their support.  And to be fair, NV Surround is better than nothing, but only "just".  You can NOT see 'around the corner' when you're flying in the landing pattern.  Even in my setup, I don't have a full 90-degrees out each side monitor.  But it is a LOT better than it was with NVSurround.  Best of all, the Fly Elise software does NOT require you be a math genius to calculate the views.  You use a simple visual layout to show your monitors, then you "EXPORT" those and the Immersive Display Pro takes the exported files and calculates each of your 3 camera views.  Yes, this product can do MORE than 3 monitors.  YES, it can do projection displays as well as monitors.  I was stunned and amazed by how easy this was, and I am a real coward with the word "Frustrums" (cameras). 

 

BTW, NVSurround produces VERY SEVERE distortion of the views, elongated objects are a buzz kill, example "stretched" airplanes next to you on the ramp, clouds that are pulled lengthwise, etc, etc.  BUILDINGS that are stretched... and so on.  It was so annoying I darn near went back to XPlane, and it's ugly compared to Orbx world.

 

That said, my solution requires high end software and I suggest the ultimate video card (New Pascal Titan-X, not just the 1080).  In 3 displays @ 1920x1080 you are rendering over 6 MILLION pixels PER FRAME.  If you are using MSAA x 2, you are drawing those 6 million pixels TWICE per frame to 'average them'.  In plain language, you need all the graphics horsepower in the world, and you STILL need to balance your sliders, example, I don't use ANY cars, boats, or Artificial Traffic.  My graphics settings are NOT maxed.  I have to balance things, partly because the ORBX SoCal and payware airports tax the system more than simple autogen.  But holy cow, does it look GREAT.

 

Great, thanks for that.

 

Don't know if you spotted my edit?

The Surround video looks to have about twice the field of view of the Fly Elise.

 

gb.

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Just use the View groups feature to get 3 connected views .

It is free.

 

I have 2 extra undocked views and all 3 are perfectly alligned together.

 

A few months ago I also tried the Fly Elise payware solution but this looks better.

With Fly Elise it is way to much zoomed out...

 

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Just use the View groups feature to get 3 connected views .
It is free.

I have 2 extra undocked views and all 3 are perfectly alligned together.

A few months ago I also tried the Fly Elise payware solution but this looks better.
With Fly Elise it is way to much zoomed out...

 

Your video is indeed very nice.  I am willing to bet you spent QUITE A LOT of time constructing those view camera cfg files, am I right?  Fly Elise was VERY FAST and easy to set up and took the BEZEL SIZES into account - I was shocked how easy it was to use.

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GSalden, you say "just use the View groups feature".  View groups feature from what?  Windows 10?  What software?

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P3D has a feature called ViewGroups to connect different views to one wide view ( bezelcorrection )..

 

What I did was a little different :

1 I took the middle monitor to startup P3D in VC ( Prosim has no panels in the VC ) and set the zoom at 0.7

2 An extra views was undocked and dragged to the left monitor

3 With Spacbar + Left mouse button the view on that monitor could be moved around till it connected to the middle monitor

4 The same for the right view on the right monitor

5 Situation Saved

 

If you do not want panels to be seen and you do not have Prosim you can do the same with the 2D cockpit by opening your camera.cfg file and replacing the 2D entry ( CameraDefinition.001 ) by :

 

[CameraDefinition.001]

Title=Cockpit

Guid={B1386D92-4782-4682-A137-738E25D1BAB5}

Description=This is the description of the cockpit view

Origin=Cockpit

ShowPanel=Yes

SnapPbhAdjust=Ordinal

SnapPbhReturn=True

PanPbhAdjust=Swivel

PanPbhReturn=False

Track=None

ShowAxis=FrontOnly

AllowZoom=TRUE

InitialZoom=1.0

SmoothZoomTime=2.0

ShowWeather=Yes

XyzAdjust=TRUE

ShowLensFlare=FALSE

Category=Cockpit

PitchPanRate=30

HeadingPanRate=75

PanAcceleratorTime=0

HotKeySelect=2

 

I tried with Nicolas kind help ( he even tried on my pc remotely ) to have FlyElise LCD Designer Pro + Immersive Display Pro set up on my system but it never looked as good as I have it now...

 

FYI : this is with 1x 40" and 2x 32"

 

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P3D has a feature called ViewGroups to connect different views to one wide view ( bezelcorrection )..

 

What I did was a little different :

1 I took the middle monitor to startup P3D in VC...

 

Really wonderful aspects...you should do a tutorial -Step-by-Step on camera/bezel management and sync! For we that only have VCs, the best of all worlds would be be able to do this with TRACKIR or other head trackers. Group views would even allows us to look around the front window posts!

 

Unfortunately TrackIR seems unable to use three track-able-track-movable independent camera views.....in single-view stretched...yes...but the peripheral views are distorted...three views ...no

 

 

...only the center monitor tracks.

 

Boy, would I love to be proven wrong!

Thanks G! What a wonderful flight deck you have created!

 

Chas

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Unfortunately TrackIR seems unable to use three track-able-track-movable independent camera views.....in single-view stretched...yes...but the peripheral views are distorted...three views ...no

 

Yes it can.

Find the "link views" short cut in the Sims control settings (views) and assign a button to it.

 

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Your video is indeed very nice. I am willing to bet you spent QUITE A LOT of time constructing those view camera cfg files, am I right? Fly Elise was VERY FAST

 

SirRobert,

 

Great and fun info...

 

Nice to see your unconventiall personalized flight deck...It and your screens Look lovely...but;

 

I respectfully submit, that the vast majority of can't or wont justify $400 to tweak our screens…

 

Thanks for the heads up!

 

Chas

Yes it can.

Find the "link views" short cut in the Sims control settings (views) and assign a button to it.

gb.

My TIR center and off buttons has been assigned since I got TrackIR....

 

 

I'm Not getting the drift of your comment.

 

Thanks,

 

Chas

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Yes it can.
Find the "link views" short cut in the Sims control settings (views) and assign a button to it.

gb.

 

View linking got removed in v 3.3.5 when ViewGroups got added

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I tried with Nicolas kind help ( he even tried on my pc remotely ) to have FlyElise LCD Designer Pro + Immersive Display Pro set up on my system but it never looked as good as I have it now...

FYI : this is with 1x 40" and 2x 32"

 

Hey, that's cheating, tilting the camera.

Great set-up though.

 

gb.

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Thank you Gods... for breaking my Thrustmaster HOTAS Flight stick and forcing me to:

 

Remember I had an old PS3 controller which;

Caused me to get off my intellectual a55 and; research, "Can a PS3 controller work in P3d...much less in Win10?" causing me wunner , wunnerful sucess, which;

not only got me back in the air, but scared the He|_|_ out of me...

 

I almost dropped the controller as it forcefully rumbled in my hand ...touching down(it AINT NO Thrustmaster HOTAS Flight stick ) my Lancair at KSBA Rwy 7 a litttttle too hard(no bounce...but..) and;

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Thank you Robert for starting this topic which also forced me to inquire into;

1. not being able to Shadowplay record while in Nvidia Surround mode thus abandoning any notion of using The current iteration of Nvidia multi-screen Surround and;

2. asking Avsim folks here about using TrackIR with three screens;

-and being told that it was possible with link views, which;

was corrected with Manage GroupViews which;

3. made me further research... finding or being directed to;

4. Mark Hargrove's wonderful tutorial on same...which;

5. Gave me ALMOST , Perfectly ALIGNED and;

PERFECTLY SYNCHED and totally unsquashed and UN-distorted TrackIR views <a data-ipb="nomediaparse" href="http://www.prepar3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=119668">http://www.prepar3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=119668</a> across 3 screens!!!

 

...soooo, If you have ;

1. Three screens and;

2. have them arranged at a 45° angle,135° in all, kinda like this, \_/ and;

3. You want your TrackIR to smoooothly track yo' haid across allll three... almost perfectly aligned screens,(Tweak to taste with From the "Views' menu, select "View, Group Management") then;

 

I am sharing my WORKING config files, created from Mark's Sterling tutorial, for your daliance and delectation (change the names where appropriate).... <a data-ipb="nomediaparse" href="https://1drv.ms/u/s!AqeV3rzMq6tJicE9BPqj1RRFZvsWOQ">https://1drv.ms/u/s!AqeV3rzMq6tJicE9BPqj1RRFZvsWOQ</a>

 

Put the zipfile into your :\Users\%username%\AppData\Roaming\Lockheed Martin\Prepar3D v3\ folder and;

1. check for viruses then once cleared by your antivirus software;

2. unzip the file there.

By Reading Mark's terrific tutorial and using/editing these files within Group Management, anyone with;

A. Three 1920x1080 screens AND;

B. Who want almost perfectly aligned and UN-Distorted screens that;

C. ALL work with and sync with TrackIR AND;

D. Put a big sh&t eating Grin on your face.

 

ENJOY!

 

video at 11...tomorrow... pooped

 

Thank y'all helpful AvsimPrepar3d Forum folks!

 

Chas

 

 

 

 

Thank you Avsim for the fakakta HTML paragraph TAGS

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View linking got removed in v 3.3.5 when ViewGroups got added

 

It's still in the Views control menu as an option (P3D 3.3.5)

Are you sure it does not now work?

 

gb.

 

 

My TIR center and off buttons has been assigned since I got TrackIR....

 

 

I'm Not getting the drift of your comment.

 

Thanks,

 

Chas

 

There is an option in the P3D controller Views menu called View-Link All (toggle).

If you assign a button to this it will link all VC views so they move as one with the HAT switch or TrackIR.

At least this would work in versions before 3.3.5.

I see richbarry (post #16) has questioned if this still works.

The View-Link All (toggle) option is certainly still there in 3.3.5 so I guess you can just try it and see.

 

But View Groups is definitely the way to go now.

 

gb.

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I've been spending ages writing new code to do some things I used to use view linking for.

 

From the Prepar3D website....

Re: V3.3 linked view toggle not working

Unread postby Beau Hollis » Thu, 02 Jun 2016, 16:44

As of 3.3, you can use View Groups to generate multiple linked views which support zooming and changing cameras.

http://www.prepar3d.com/SDKv3/LearningC ... ation.html

We also added OffsetXYZ OffsetPBH and SideAngle support to camera definitions now which allows eye-relative offsets and off-axis projection support similar to what is used by ViewGroups.

The existing linking features was disabled because it didn't work properly due to updates made to support View Groups and multichannel. Sorry this wasn't clearly documented.

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Just use the View groups feature to get 3 connected views .

It is free.

 

I have 2 extra undocked views and all 3 are perfectly alligned together.

 

A few months ago I also tried the Fly Elise payware solution but this looks better.

With Fly Elise it is way to much zoomed out...

 

 

Gerald,

Performance/FPS wise did you notice any difference between flyelise and using 2 undocked views ? (I am not sure if you connect all your projectors/monitors to the same videocard or not).

 

By the way, does flyElise supports 3 monitors of different resolutions ? Im using a 2160p as a single view today, but Im not against using two additional 1080p to bring some lateral views, nvidia surround is not an option here, and using undocked views costs approx 50% of max attainable FPS performance.

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Are there You tube tutorials for how to setup view group ?

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I must have been asleep at the wheel, ooops I mean asleep at the yoke!  I had always thought using undocking views killed your FPS.  Have this changed?

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Gerald,

Performance/FPS wise did you notice any difference between flyelise and using 2 undocked views ? (I am not sure if you connect all your projectors/monitors to the same videocard or not).

 

By the way, does flyElise supports 3 monitors of different resolutions ? Im using a 2160p as a single view today, but Im not against using two additional 1080p to bring some lateral views, nvidia surround is not an option here, and using undocked views costs approx 50% of max attainable FPS performance.

FlyElise way or my way both use 3 seperate views ( 1 main and 2 undocked ).

So no performance difference there.

How much Immersive Display Pro extra uses I do not know..

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I must have been asleep at the wheel, ooops I mean asleep at the yoke!  I had always thought using undocking views killed your FPS.  Have this changed?

I was getting pretty close to 79 FPS over SoCal with Orbx NALC, with all my sliders almost to the right ...almost tripling of FPS since I upgraded to my GTX 1080 and I 7–6700K ... I don't know if my views are UNDOCKED... I didn't go that route , having set things up entirely through view groups as specified early this morning.

 

Hope this helps,

 

Chas

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