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Why do xplane payware addons Keeps dissapointing me

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Hi am a newbie for xplane

 

The sim itself is outstanding , beautiful scenery ,very stable and smooth,brilliant flight modeling and failures simulation,Night lightining...OMG. Amazing job LR👍

 

Now comes the weak point and it has nothing to do with LR...payware addon aircrafts

 

I bought 2 aircrafts till now...and they both disspointed me big deal.

 

Alabeo aztec (not that bad but not good too) ,and the joke called JAR330

 

Now the 330 is almost 60$, and u get nothing

Very bad textures(airbus is not grey by any means!!!!)

Very bad flight model (not even close to real sims)

Very bad sys and warning simulation

Very bad sounds

Veeeeerry buggy

 

Am a real a330 f/o , ofcourse am not expecting to give me the real feeling of a real a330

But for 60$,this product is simply ######, i wont use it even if its freeware

 

 

And it is still getting amazing reviews!!!!!!!!!!wt....f

 

Why is that happening with xplane...its amazing platform that needs good developers to take care of

And it will fly ?!!!! (I mean payware devs)

 

Why there is no good quality airliners(except for the 767 )

 

The only thing i miss from my 22 years of FSX is PMDG's and some quality sceneries like flytampa and taxi2gate.

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Well, if you are looking for high quality addons, I can recommend the IXEG 737, Saab 340 and Airfoil Labs Cessna 172. IMO The IXEG beats the PMDG for the immersion factor. Maybe we'll see PMDG release more addons for X-Plane in the future.

 

Whilst I somewhat agree about the quality of addons compared to FSX, you need to remember that this is still somewhat of a niche market in a niche market ;-). I can only guess that X-Plane development is not going to make any millionaires at the moment and devs are mostly doing this whilst working in other full-time jobs. Things will improve for sure, and it's really no different than what we have seen in the MS platform over the years. One thing I like about the IXEG 737 is that they seem to have done it for the love of the aircraft as opposed to making money (They took long enough to get it out ;-).

 

One thing I really miss is Majestic q400. The Saab comes close in immersion, but this is something that can still drag me back into FSX now and then.

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Thanks for the warning. I was thinking of buying it but in the videos I have seen on YouTube I am somewhat dissapointed. I also noticed that there was no 'retard' call at ten feet from the gpws system callouts.  After using the Aerosoft airbuses in P3D, I think I'll save my money.

Alabeo aztec (not that bad but not good too) ,and the joke called JAR330

Now the 330 is almost 60$, and u get nothing
Very bad textures(airbus is not grey by any means!!!!)
Very bad flight model (not even close to real sims)
Very bad sys and warning simulation
Very bad sounds
Veeeeerry buggy

Am a real a330 f/o , ofcourse am not expecting to give me the real feeling of a real a330
But for 60$,this product is simply ######, i wont use it even if its freeware


And it is still getting amazing reviews!!!!!!!!!!wt....f
 

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Does the ixeg737 has good graphics and textures like the PMDG's?!

 

Absolutely, it's a stunning aircraft, and what amazes me are the framerates. There are plenty of videos on Youtube for you to judge yourself. The only downside is that it is the classic model without the bells and whistles such as a HUD, but graphically it surpasses the PMDG 737 (but the technology and lighting are more up-to-date in X-Plane so this is no surprise). Once you hear the roar of the engines as you speed down the runway, I'm sure you'll agree (even though you do this as a day job)

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I was thinking of the 767 but now you changed my mind , specially that u seem to know what am i talking about.

Thanks for the warning. I was thinking of buying it but in the videos I have seen on YouTube I am somewhat dissapointed. I also noticed that there was no 'retard' call at ten feet from the gpws system callouts.  After using the Aerosoft airbuses in P3D, I think I'll save my money.

 

Good decision

 

Actually i was thinking of posting a seperate topic to warn the guys here of this scam . Reveiws are

Very misleading

 

What do you think guys ?! I dont want to break any forum rules though?!!!

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Does the ixeg737 has good graphics and textures like the PMDG's?!

In my opinion no, nor does any other  addon in any other platform.

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Wow, that's a bit harsh. I love my PMDG NGX and 777 just as much as anyone here, but there are other developers producing some beautifully textured aircraft. I'd second Tony's endorsement of IXEG's 737, and for P3D, I think the FSL A320 and the Majestic Dash 8 Q400 are equal to any PMDG plane in appearance....but I'm biased in the case of one of those.

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Yes

Ofcourse p3d hv many many quality and excellent payware addons

 

But what i am saying is that xplane is almost complete out of the box

(Except weather engine ofcourse)

 

All u need is just a good aircraft , and because the market is empty

It leaves space for money diggers to sell very bad quality products for

Unreasonable high prices , and reviewers are backing them!!!!!!!

 

So atleast there should be someone that warn people and newbie's of these products

 

Beacause people coming from fsx and p3d will always expect the same quality addons

For the same prices in xplane, and then fall in the trap ...like me

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All u need is just a good aircraft

 

Well, you also need good scenery and this is something X-Plane isn't lacking in the freeware department (but is certainly lacking in the payware department and I've found payware is actually behind some freeware). Something X-Plane hugely excels at is helicopters and GA and for the sake of spending €19 on a helicopter and downloading photoimagery and merging with OSM scenery, it's pretty realistic and nothing beats flying low-and-slow over your own house and town

 

The best flight I've ever done in a sim was using X-Plane. The IXEG 737 and flying from Prague to Bergen using nothing but freeware scenery.  I've done this flight for real many times and the experience and views are spot on

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Yes i totally agree with you

 

but the night lightining and default scenery is breathtaking that i

Dont mind having a somehow low quality airports ,i mean at least now i can hv sloppy runways

(Not railway ones) combined with stutter free flight and amazing flight models simulating crosswinds

And turbulence makes the landing challenging and so real

 

Also i hv to mention xplane freeware developers are amazing really

 

Only my two cents :)

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I agree that the add-ons, in general, are lacking. IXEG is close but I would argue it still has bugs and is just not as polished as the equivalent PMDG NGX. There is no comparison between the VNAV capabilities between the two aircraft. The other issue with XP that disappoints me is the weather.

 

Today I flew the NGX around a line of thunderstorms upon departure that were spectacularly rendered in P3d with the corresponding turbulence and wind shear near them. Never have had this experience in XP despite skymaxx NOAA etc. 

 

Don't get me wrong I do like XP and fly it alot, I just wish the addons and weather were as good as Prep3d. PMDG DC-6 is a start.

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I agree that the add-ons, in general, are lacking. IXEG is close but I would argue it still has bugs and is just not as polished as the equivalent PMDG NGX. There is no comparison between the VNAV capabilities between the two aircraft. The other issue with XP that disappoints me is the weather.

 

Today I flew the NGX around a line of thunderstorms upon departure that were spectacularly rendered in P3d with the corresponding turbulence and wind shear near them. Never have had this experience in XP despite skymaxx NOAA etc. 

 

Don't get me wrong I do like XP and fly it alot, I just wish the addons and weather were as good as Prep3d. PMDG DC-6 is a start.

 

am very optimistic about xplane11 ,am sure it will blow away any other sims based on the old fsx engine ,then devs will follow for sure

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am very optimistic about xplane11 ,am sure it will blow away any other sims based on the old fsx engine ,then devs will follow for sure

That's what I thought about XP10...we'll see.

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I always believe that "60 dollars" is the benchmark for payware aircraft quality. >60 dollars, study level; <60 dollar, no study level. I think the majority of FSX/P3D based simmers will accept that (due to the PMDG pricing policy 69.95 for ngx). But X-Plane payware aircrafts don't follow the rule, which confuses a great number of FSX/P3D users who wants to try X-Plane. In their mind, payware aircrafts in X-Plane charging 60.95 should be on par with FSX counterparts, but in fact, "NO". Looking at those 60$ payware aircrafts in X-Plane market, can they compete with their FSX competitors in the FlightSim market? I don't think so. Unstable FMC is ruining the reputation.

 

Payware developers really need to re-think their pricing policies, when their products are not as great as PMDG or IXEG. We all know that your developing an aircraft is hard work and you indeed need to feed yourselves, but please, also consider the market acceptance - X-Plane add-on market is not solely independent, and X-Plane add-on will directly compete with FSX counterparts. If the product is study level, then your charging 60$ or even over 100$ will have little impact; but when the product is incomplete in major parts but still with a 60$ price, then not only your reputation but also the reputation of the whole X-Plane community will get ruined. BTW the developers will never make big money.

 

Then talking about the 330. I have mentioned numerous times about its ND drawing and FMGC operation at Jar's forum, their fb and .org, but no official reply, which really upsets me.

And for those "reviews": a number of those are biased. Only positive points but no neutral opinion. It's ridiculous to see all positive rates for those half baked projects.

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X-Plane has always been a hit or miss for me. I've tried many times to really like it but I always go back to P3D. The only thing I really enjoy in X-Plane besides the fact that it's a 64bit platform and no VAS issues is the night lighting, which is exceptional. I'll give it that. But as far as payware scenery ard aircrafts, it has been a big let down for me. I have FF 777, 767, Jar's A320 A330, a few Carenado's... they are simply not on the same level as their P3D counterparts. Especially the weather depiction as well. I spent so much money on add-ons such as SMP, RWC, FSGRW, etc just trying to get clouds and weather looking nice like P3D, but it doesn't even compare. 

 

Another thing I don't like is the typical gloomy feel of X-Plane. Everything seems so dull. I even purchased Maxx XP to try to adjust the overall colors to see if that would help, but it didn't do much. Overall I feel P3D is much better, you have amazing third party add-ons and airfracts, tools, there's so much stuff for it. It's gonna take a lot to bring me back to X-Plane.

 

For the time being, I have taken a break from X-Plane. Hopefully X-Plane 11 will bring me back.

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I always believe that "60 dollars" is the benchmark for payware aircraft quality. >60 dollars, study level; <60 dollar, no study level. I think the majority of FSX/P3D based simmers will accept that (due to the PMDG pricing policy 69.95 for ngx). But X-Plane payware aircrafts don't follow the rule, which confuses a great number of FSX/P3D users who wants to try X-Plane. In their mind, payware aircrafts in X-Plane charging 60.95 should be on par with FSX counterparts, but in fact, "NO". Looking at those 60$ payware aircrafts in X-Plane market, can they compete with their FSX competitors in the FlightSim market? I don't think so. Unstable FMC is ruining the reputation.

 

Payware developers really need to re-think their pricing policies, when their products are not as great as PMDG or IXEG. We all know that your developing an aircraft is hard work and you indeed need to feed yourselves, but please, also consider the market acceptance - X-Plane add-on market is not solely independent, and X-Plane add-on will directly compete with FSX counterparts. If the product is study level, then your charging 60$ or even over 100$ will have little impact; but when the product is incomplete in major parts but still with a 60$ price, then not only your reputation but also the reputation of the whole X-Plane community will get ruined. BTW the developers will never make big money.

 

Then talking about the 330. I have mentioned numerous times about its ND drawing and FMGC operation at Jar's forum, their fb and .org, but no official reply, which really upsets me.

And for those "reviews": a number of those are biased. Only positive points but no neutral opinion. It's ridiculous to see all positive rates for those half baked projects.

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We the community hv to speak up ,so these unwelcomed developers wont hit other victims

X-Plane has always been a hit or miss for me. I've tried many times to really like it but I always go back to P3D. The only thing I really enjoy in X-Plane besides the fact that it's a 64bit platform and no VAS issues is the night lighting, which is exceptional. I'll give it that. But as far as payware scenery ard aircrafts, it has been a big let down for me. I have FF 777, 767, Jar's A320 A330, a few Carenado's... they are simply not on the same level as their P3D counterparts. Especially the weather depiction as well. I spent so much money on add-ons such as SMP, RWC, FSGRW, etc just trying to get clouds and weather looking nice like P3D, but it doesn't even compare. 

 

Another thing I don't like is the typical gloomy feel of X-Plane. Everything seems so dull. I even purchased Maxx XP to try to adjust the overall colors to see if that would help, but it didn't do much. Overall I feel P3D is much better, you have amazing third party add-ons and airfracts, tools, there's so much stuff for it. It's gonna take a lot to bring me back to X-Plane.

 

For the time being, I have taken a break from X-Plane. Hopefully X-Plane 11 will bring me back.

I do agree with you in most parts, but dont forget that p3d is pain in the **s and will

Take a worth of money to make it look good and yet it wont look as good as xplane

I.e the scattered autogen,stutters,very bad flight models,railway runways,the overall very forgiving atmosphere..is a turn off For me and get me bored quickly even with excellent addons

 

Real flying is challenging and fun its the biggest joy of it

And xplane wins in this area hands down

 

I think that these sim has a potential that is not implemented in addons yet

 

Just imagine these brilliant developers of p3d were focused on xplane

 

 

Anyway it depends on every individual point of view

And the way u choose to fly

 

Pls dont take me wrong as a ###### :), i ve been simming 22 years with fsx and p3d

And enjoyed it too Am just expressing my opinion

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Well this past week I have bought p3d and I'm trying it out and I like it, it's far better than fsx, I too have the ixeg 737 for plane and I think it's fantastic, the best but I just get a bit frustrated with the weather in X plane so now I'm driving myself up the wall because I'm liking p3d soooo much especially with active sky, the weather is a big one for me for the immersion factor. Anyway will see what happens in the future, I guess I will fly both ...... Cheers.

 

Regards

Paul EGCC

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I totally agree with you, ayousry.

 

I have been simming for about 24 years now and totally converted to X-Plane 5 years ago. I can't go back to FS now because of the flightmodel and the overall "feel of flight" (also as you mentioned sloped runways etc.). On the other hand i feel sick looking at x-plane payware developers. Apart from very few exceptions (IXEG, LES, PMDG, Simcoders) - this will sound harsh to many - i consider majority of them SCAM. They build the hype, release very buggy/unfinished products, do not provide enough (if any) support. And then same developer months later announce another super-realistic airliner that gets released under the same "business model" as before (get the money and basically disappear). The reviews are praising them on release, as if none of the reviewers ever read any POH (with understanding) in their life.

I'm sure many will disagree with me and jump in to defend their developer of choice. But that's the way i see it and i finally had to let it out. I have tons of payware aircraft addons laying on my HDD that i don't even bother to install anymore...

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But what i am saying is that xplane is almost complete out of the box
(Except weather engine ofcourse)

 

Complete out of the box ?, not even close

Seasons, Ai, ATC, Weather, all missing or poorly implemented. compared to P3D it lacks so much.

And lets be honest the number of really good payware addons is miniscule even after all these years Xplane  really only has a hand full of decently modelled aircraft.

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Real flying is challenging and fun its the biggest joy of it
And xplane wins in this area hands down

 

I disagree. My wife, kids, and friends have flown my plane for hours. They are not pilots. They didn't takeoff, they didn't land, and they didn't hold altitude perfectly.  I just never have, and perhaps never will, come to the conclusion that X-Plane is superior in

flight dynamics. My airplane was also light on the stick, semi-aerobatic, and could do about 210 mph.  It did require transition time from a Cessna or Piper. Otherwise, you'd be likely to run over those Cessna, Pipers in the pattern, or over control. For many years,

the Real Air SF260 & Lancair  (FSX) were my favorites for a long time.  I do like several payware planes for X-Plane these days. 

 

As to runways.  With 20,000+ runways in MSFS way back in the days, it was decided to leave them flattened. Otherwise, there would have been a ton of complaints. Every screwed up one, would have required hand fixing. Many X-Plane runways, using contour, are impossible to 

fly off of, or land on.  Some are highly exaggerated with grade. Sometimes, it's a nice feature. There are excellent 3rd party addons for FSX & P3D that have runways built into the side of hills, and are very authentic. 

 

I'm not trying to do an X-Plane chop here. I really like the program.  I just flew airplanes for a long time, built & owned them, and don't go along with assumptions that XP flight is so realistic over the competition, It is not. 

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