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One other factor worthy of mention is that the 4790K is supported by Win7 if you still want to use that (I still do)...the Skylake CPU/chipset is not universally supported by Win7, so you'll need to use Win 10 and deal with all the baggage that comes with it.

 

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Alienware AW3821DW 38" 21:9 GSync, 2x4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2x2TB Samsung 990 SSD, EVGA 1000P2 PSU, 12.9" iPad Pro
Thrustmaster TCA Boeing Yoke, TCA Airbus Sidestick, Twin TCA Airbus Throttle quads, PFC Cirrus Pedals, Coolermaster HAF932 case

Sys2 (P3Dv5/v4): i9-13900KS, water 2x360mm, ASUS Z790 Hero, 32GB GSkill 7800MHz CAS36, ASUS RTX4090
Samsung 55" JS8500 4K TV@60Hz,
3x 2TB WD SN850X 1x 4TB Crucial P3 M.2 NVME SSD, EVGA 1600T2 PSU
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PFC yoke/throttle quad/pedals with custom Hall sensor retrofit, Thermaltake View 71 case, Stream Deck XL button box

Sys3 (DCS/P3Dv4/ATS/ETS): AMD 7800X3D, MSI MPG X870E Carbon, Noctua NH-D15S, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, EVGA RTX3090
Alienware AW3420DW 34" 21:9 GSync, Corsair HX1000i PSU, 4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2TB Samsung 970Evo Plus,
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It's the 8gb 3200 modules I recommend. 

 

The price difference between 8 and 16 GB is, as I said, small. Up to you though. Two sticks is best, but Skylake does seem to handle 4 sticks better than older platforms. I'd still opt for two though.

 

To clarify, it's the NH-D15S you should opt for. The high comparability version. And make sure your case is big enough.

 

 

 

:smile: Only two degrees different Chris with one fan. But if you are desperate for two fans, why not get the D15S and add a second fan. It comes with the clips to do just that.

 

That way you get the high compatibility version... but still the two fans you want. Not sure how the extra fan would impact the RAM though.

 

It's the 8gb 3200 modules I recommend. 

 

The price difference between 8 and 16 GB is, as I said, small. Up to you though. Two sticks is best, but Skylake does seem to handle 4 sticks better than older platforms. I'd still opt for two though.

 

To clarify, it's the NH-D15S you should opt for. The high comparability version. And make sure your case is big enough.

 

 

 

:smile: Only two degrees different Chris with one fan. But if you are desperate for two fans, why not get the D15S and add a second fan. It comes with the clips to do just that.

 

That way you get the high compatibility version... but still the two fans you want. Not sure how the extra fan would impact the RAM though.

Thanks Martin, the NH-D15S is a bit out of my budget, costs have already gone £100 past my original budget. What is thNoctua NH-U14S U-Series like?

One other factor worthy of mention is that the 4790K is supported by Win7 if you still want to use that (I still do)...the Skylake CPU/chipset is not universally supported by Win7, so you'll need to use Win 10 and deal with all the baggage that comes with it.

 

Regards

????????????????? doesn't support Windows 7 64bit???????

Howard
MSI Mag B650 Tomahawk MB, Ryzen7-7800X3D CPU@5ghz, Arctic AIO II 360 cooler, Nvidia RTX4090 GPU, 32gb DDR5@6000Mhz, SSD/2Tb+SSD/500Gb+OS, Corsair 1000W PSU, LG Ultragear 48"4K, MFG Crosswinds, TQ6 Throttle, Fulcrum One Yoke
My FlightSim YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@skyhigh776

 

Only two degrees different Chris with one fan. But if you are desperate for two fans, why not get the D15S and add a second fan. It comes with the clips to do just that.

 

I just like the menacing bulk of the D15. It looks like it means business  :smile:  I remember the Thermaltake Frio cooler that I had in my i5 2500k PC (which I suspect was rather better than the CoolerMaster Hyper 212 EVO I have in my new one), and that was a tower block! To be honest, I get the feeling that the Hyper 212 EVO is not doing as good a job at the moment as it did previously. I think I need to open up the case, and see if a bit of dust needs removing....

Christopher Low

AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D CPU / 64GB DDR5-6000 RAM / 12GB Nvidia RTX 4070 Super GPU / Gigabyte X870E Aorus Elite Wifi 7 / 1+2TB Samsung Evo Plus M2 Nvme

UK2000 Beta Tester

Its no problem with W7

Did a test with a delidded 6700k CLP chip/IHS ,CM Hyper 212Evo paste MX2

 

Very easy basic OC 4.6ghz did a small video with bios settings test one hour Rog RealBench and Cinebench R15 OS win7

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Its no problem with W7

Did a test with a delidded 6700k CLP chip/IHS ,CM Hyper 212Evo paste MX2

 

Very easy basic OC 4.6ghz did a small video with bios settings test one hour Rog RealBench and Cinebench R15 OS win7

 

Thanks for this, it's very helpful. But I find it frustrating when there is so much conflicting information on the forum. I don't want to run with Win 10, I want to stay with 7.

Howard
MSI Mag B650 Tomahawk MB, Ryzen7-7800X3D CPU@5ghz, Arctic AIO II 360 cooler, Nvidia RTX4090 GPU, 32gb DDR5@6000Mhz, SSD/2Tb+SSD/500Gb+OS, Corsair 1000W PSU, LG Ultragear 48"4K, MFG Crosswinds, TQ6 Throttle, Fulcrum One Yoke
My FlightSim YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@skyhigh776

One other factor worthy of mention is that the 4790K is supported by Win7 if you still want to use that (I still do)...the Skylake CPU/chipset is not universally supported by Win7, so you'll need to use Win 10 and deal with all the baggage that comes with it.

 

 

 

 

????????????????? doesn't support Windows 7 64bit???????

 

I might not have this 100%, but here's the jist of what's going on -

 

Windows 7

When installing from scratch, Windows 7 needs to have "EHCI" USB support from the motherboard chipset. The Windows 7 installation environment supports up to EHCI standards and uses this to support any USB devices it needs during the install, such as your keyboard, mouse, and the install media.

 

EHCI support has been removed on the Skylake platform in lieu of the newer "xHCI" USB support. Unfortunately, Windows 7 does not have "xHCI" support in its installation environment, and this causes problems for the install. On a Skylake, you can boot into a Windows 7 installation, but your USB keyboard and mouse will not function!

 

All is not lost, though - if you're looking to use Windows 7 on a Skylake, expect to need following:

  • Plan on using DVD media for the installation.
  • Have a PS/2 style keyboard and mouse, and a motherboard that has the needed port.

This is why you suddenly see the re-appearance of PS/2 ports on Skylake motherboards - they can be used by legacy operating systems which don't have support for xHCI.

 

Once you've got Windows 7 installed, you will end up with all the needed drivers to regain full functionality and you can carry on just fine. The installation process is where you need to pay some attention to the situation.

 

Windows 10

Contrast this with Windows 10. The Win10 installation environment does natively support the xHCI standards, so it is not affected by this and it can use all the USB devices and media you may need from the get-go.

 

So...

If you're planning Skylake + Windows 7, have DVD media ready to install, a PS/2 keyboard and mouse for your installation, and a motherboard with the PS/2 port for use during installation. Voila!

Win7 is fine with usb mouse keeboard i run it in usb2 ports, you need ps2 when install XP on Skylake

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Thanks fellas, but again, conflicting information!! The Z170 does have a PS/2, but it looks like a single port.


 

So...

If you're planning Skylake + Windows 7, have DVD media ready to install, a PS/2 keyboard and mouse for your installation, and a motherboard with the PS/2 port for use during installation. Voila!

So is this required just for installation or for any time?

Howard
MSI Mag B650 Tomahawk MB, Ryzen7-7800X3D CPU@5ghz, Arctic AIO II 360 cooler, Nvidia RTX4090 GPU, 32gb DDR5@6000Mhz, SSD/2Tb+SSD/500Gb+OS, Corsair 1000W PSU, LG Ultragear 48"4K, MFG Crosswinds, TQ6 Throttle, Fulcrum One Yoke
My FlightSim YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@skyhigh776

Thanks fellas, but again, conflicting information!! The Z170 does have a PS/2, but it looks like a single port.

 

Check to see if the mobo ships with an adapter which splits the port into two - one for kbd, one for mouse. If they don't include one, it's usually under $5 to get the PS/2 combo port adapter.

 

It's only the installation environment which is sensitive to the USB situation. Once you're actually into Windows 7 and have all the motherboard drivers squared away, you will be fine with USB stuff.

You not need it , installed the OS yesterday from DVD Win7 pro 64bit Swe ( dvd without SP1)

Logitec usb mouse and generic usb keeboard used the usb2 ports not the PS2

 

Its on Asus board dont know the other ones.

 

Have Done the same on Extreme VIII , Impact VIII , Hero VIII

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Check to see if the mobo ships with an adapter which splits the port into two - one for kbd, one for mouse. If they don't include one, it's usually under $5 to get the PS/2 combo port adapter.

 

It's only the installation environment which is sensitive to the USB situation. Once you're actually into Windows 7 and have all the motherboard drivers squared away, you will be fine with USB stuff.

 

You not need it , installed the OS yesterday from DVD Win7 pro 64bit Swe ( dvd without SP1)

Logitec usb mouse and generic usb keeboard used the usb2 ports not the PS2

 

Its on Asus board dont know the other ones.

 

Have Done the same on Extreme VIII , Impact VIII , Hero VIII

 

Thanks guys, I'll go ahead and order.

Howard
MSI Mag B650 Tomahawk MB, Ryzen7-7800X3D CPU@5ghz, Arctic AIO II 360 cooler, Nvidia RTX4090 GPU, 32gb DDR5@6000Mhz, SSD/2Tb+SSD/500Gb+OS, Corsair 1000W PSU, LG Ultragear 48"4K, MFG Crosswinds, TQ6 Throttle, Fulcrum One Yoke
My FlightSim YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@skyhigh776

Let us know how you get on - I've been doing the same research as you and hope to pull the trigger on a 6700K system in a few weeks!

What case are you gonna get? To fit the Noctua  you would need a good and big case.

 

I'd recommend this one that Ibought recently.. I love it its better than my HAF full tower that I have..

 

Corsair Obsidian Series 750D Airflow Edition, Full Tower ATX Case

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00YJJBFIO/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o06_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

 

I like the big glass windows so you can see the MB LEDs ...incase you run into trouble you can see what is going on without having to open the case up.

Manny

Beta tester for SIMStarter 

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Let us know how you get on - I've been doing the same research as you and hope to pull the trigger on a 6700K system in a few weeks!

:wink:

What case are you gonna get? To fit the Noctua  you would need a good and big case.

 

I'd recommend this one that Ibought recently.. I love it its better than my HAF full tower that I have..

 

Corsair Obsidian Series 750D Airflow Edition, Full Tower ATX Case

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00YJJBFIO/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o06_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

 

I like the big glass windows so you can see the MB LEDs ...incase you run into trouble you can see what is going on without having to open the case up.

Hi Manny, I'll be using my existing case, which is the  Antec 300 Three Hundred Two Case, 99% sure it will fit things.

Howard
MSI Mag B650 Tomahawk MB, Ryzen7-7800X3D CPU@5ghz, Arctic AIO II 360 cooler, Nvidia RTX4090 GPU, 32gb DDR5@6000Mhz, SSD/2Tb+SSD/500Gb+OS, Corsair 1000W PSU, LG Ultragear 48"4K, MFG Crosswinds, TQ6 Throttle, Fulcrum One Yoke
My FlightSim YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@skyhigh776

:wink:

Hi Manny, I'll be using my existing case, which is the  Antec 300 Three Hundred Two Case, 99% sure it will fit things.

 

What did you order in the end?

P3D v4.5 MSFS2020 Hisense 50" 4K TV

Ryzen 9600x 64gb DDR5 6000mhz, Asrock B650m HDV/M.2 Gigabyte 16gb 9070XT, Thermalright Aqua Elite 240mm  2TB NVMe Boot/FS2020 Drive, 2TB NVMe P3D Drive.

Saitek Yoke, Pedals, Radio Panel, Switch Panel, 2 x FiPs

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