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As a user of XEnviro I'd say it looks better. Not necessarily more realistic though.

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Looks great indeed. And the advantage over X-Enviro is that you can create the weather you want, right? (And it's cheaper too. ;) ) Are those clouds real 3D?

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That looks much better to me.

 

X-E @ $70 can go hang :fool:

But afaik (but what do I know) these are only cloud textures...? X-Enviro can change the weather and also, I suppose, during a flight so during long flights you will get different weather. SkyMaxx can't do that? And I also read that X-Enviro even changes colors on the fly (like the sky) depending on the weather. It may cost 70 instead of 40 but for 70 you seem to get a lot more? For something similar you need SkyMaxx PLUS the weather connector and that's 60 already... So why is X-Enviro called too expensive but SkyMaxx not?

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As a user of XEnviro I'd say it looks better. Not necessarily more realistic though.

the best comparison is to take screenshots using each add on at several altitudes during same time and then compare coverage, texture, draw distance, type of clouds...in function of Metar.

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But afaik (but what do I know) these are only cloud textures...? X-Enviro can change the weather and also, I suppose, during a flight so during long flights you will get different weather. SkyMaxx can't do that? And I also read that X-Enviro even changes colors on the fly (like the sky) depending on the weather. It may cost 70 instead of 40 but for 70 you seem to get a lot more? For something similar you need SkyMaxx PLUS the weather connector and that's 60 already... So why is X-Enviro called too expensive but SkyMaxx not?

 

Good point after reading your post maybe 70$ was justified and it will be improved also

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First adjusting undocumented datarefs into any product is bad practice and creates potential support nightmares ie sky color changes....I feel this is best handled by freeware guys and should be kept separate from a core product...

 

Additionally the lifetime updates supplied by the competition for 70 bucks only works for the initial release such as we do, well not all the time the shift from v1 to v2 was free as a thank you to the community for all the support...

 

Also it's my understanding that xenviro pretty much locks you out of any third party development ie weather engines, which means you're completely at the mercy of their vision. We develop the way we do to keep development inclusive to ensure the end user gets the best experience as the sim advanced...

 

Just thought I'd share my 2 cents just to let the community know what our goals are since I've been seeing a lot of backlash towards us recently.....thank you :)

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Still only cumulus clouds. That might look good for screenshots but is not realistic. Trying to depict overcast with a ton of cumulus clouds glued together is a joke.

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John, valid points. I am way beyond 200 bucks of investment for XP11 alone right now. Rest assured that I will buy the SMP4 upgrade on release. On the other hand, I also support the new kid on the block. The most critical aspect, as you state correctly, is that they have everything on their server, no choices allowed. It's XEnviro or nothing. But then, what's 70 bucks for a hobby worth thousands of dollars over the years?

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Still only cumulus clouds. That might look good for screenshots but is not realistic. Trying to depict overcast with a ton of cumulus clouds glued together is a joke.

Not true we've introduced our strataform in v3 and a new HD cloud layer in V4 along with higher definition imagery for the cloud puffs and the cirrus layer which moves now btw.....tons of options in our UI

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Looks great indeed. And the advantage over X-Enviro is that you can create the weather you want, right? 

 

You can in the current SkyMaxx Pro 3, so I would assume that applies to the new version too. 

 

Note: SkyMaxx Pro is basically a "better clouds" add-on that will track whatever you set in X-Plane's weather settings whether it's manually set or using X-Plane's own weather injection. There is a $19.95 add-on from the same developer called Real Weather Connector that adds additional horizontal cloud layers and interprets injected METAR info. Basically it smooths out the injected changes, and works with SkyMaxx Pro to make things look as realistic as possible (for this product). 

 

So I think you'd need both SkyMaxx Pro and RWC to compare with what X-Enviro is doing. That also evens out the cost comparisons a bit more.

 

I've been happy with SkyMaxx Pro v3 and RWC with X-Plane 10. I'll pick up Pro v4 too, but I'm still keeping an eye on X-Enviro.

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John, valid points. I am way beyond 200 bucks of investment for XP11 alone right now. Rest assured that I will buy the SMP4 upgrade on release. On the other hand, I also support the new kid on the block. The most critical aspect, as you state correctly, is that they have everything on their server, no choices allowed. It's XEnviro or nothing. But then, what's 70 bucks for a hobby worth thousands of dollars over the years?

I'm not for or against their vision just pointing out ours since there is a certain dialog going on.....my initial point was "hey community here is what we are up to in contrast to the other guys"

 

It's competition and it's a good thing for the end user, and I don't expect everyone to agree with our efforts but we've been around for awhile and we sure as hell will keep trying ;)

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Not true we've introduced our strataform in v3 and a new HD cloud layer in V4 along with higher definition imagery for the cloud puffs and the cirrus layer which moves now btw.....tons of options in our UI

I'm using Skymaxx Pro v3 + RWC and I have yet to see anything else then puffy cumulus. Even if the METAR is showing multiple overcast layers then it is just puffy clouds everywhere. This is very disappointing. And what I see in the screenshots above is again just nice and puffy clouds everywhere. Have you ever been to Northern Europe? The weather doesn't look like that around here.

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I'm using Skymaxx Pro v3 + RWC and I have yet to see anything else then puffy cumulus. Even if the METAR is showing multiple overcast layers then it is just puffy clouds everywhere. This is very disappointing. And what I see in the screenshots above is again just nice and puffy clouds everywhere. Have you ever been to Northern Europe? The weather doesn't look like that around here.

Pretty much stated our options above, the UI does give you flexibility if you use it....

 

But hey if it's not for you, who am I to argue....all I can say is "noted" and of course I have some ideas floating around you might like in the future....

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I still have not made the jump to XP, I will give XP11 a shot, one question though, I remember seeing a SMP preview where the landing lights can illuminate the clouds? is that correct? Can X-E also do the same? 

Thank you guys!

John.

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They light up the houses and electrical towers and such, and in the day the shadows bend around edges of houses and such also.

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Honestly, I do not care much for the special effects, I want to see a sky which resembles the one at my airport. With sun, moon, stars and clouds at the right place and in the right size and format at any given altitude, including sitting on the tarmac. Something that some other platform has been able to show for at least 5+ years now. Give me that and I buy it. I don't care much about the 70$ I shelled last night, at least it was a try. Give me something better. 

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Overall, I'm pretty excited that X-Plane seems to be getting more focus from professional developers. Healthy competition is a good thing! :)

I reckon it's definitely heading in the right direction.

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To John of Skymaxx,

 

I visited the Maxx-XP forum and, you told Rob Ainscough to get a PPL?

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To John of Skymaxx,

 

I visited the Maxx-XP forum and, you told Rob Ainscough to get a PPL?

 

lol, he was way over the top getting to nit picky. John probably got annoyed ! I would have said the same thing. You want perfection get a PPL or start programming if you think you can do better... 

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lol, he was way over the top getting to nit picky. John probably got annoyed ! I would have said the same thing. You want perfection get a PPL or start programming if you think you can do better... 

Ok, fair enough :smile: . I was looking for examples and not reading posts until I came onto Rob's. The few images I've seen look really nice.

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lol, he was way over the top getting to nit picky. John probably got annoyed ! I would have said the same thing. You want perfection get a PPL or start programming if you think you can do better... 

 

Lol, I chuckled at the same when I read it on the other forum mentioned.  Rob is a cool and well off dude I'm sure, but he can also get a bit too big for his britches.  Sure, LM loves him, as do a lot of us, but I too thought that was a bit silly what he posted.

 

Excited to see this released!  I do own and pilot a plane (Grumman AA5) and still can't wait for your release!

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