Richard Sennett

Blue Sky Star making entire US Orthos

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FYI Guys just noticed on Blue Sky Star FB page they are making a product for entire USA Orthos that will be sold on an external drives

 

Yikes after reading it fully its three hard drives  

 

Couple of quotes

 

A project announced a little while ago.. making ZL17 Orthophoto for entire USA and selling it on a hard drive.. (I think, or at least that's what I gathered that it was)

 

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Yes it will be in three parts: Eastern, Central and Western part of US, because each one of them "weights" about 3TB. It will be external hard drive for each.

 

 

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Nice! Unfortunately, shipping to Germany and customs will probably add quite a bit to the equation for me.

 

But if the price is reasonable in the end and all additional cost included, I'll be in. I'm not keen to do ortho sceneries myself (SoCal was time consuming enough) and getting the western US in one purchase is definitely something I would consider.

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Nice, I wonder what the $$$ would be.

 

 Figure in the cost of a 1TB hard drive plus, so I'm going to guess around $200 for each region.

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Excited to see how it looks in some known areas vs my manually done ones in the PNW

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 Figure in the cost of a 1TB hard drive plus, so I'm going to guess around $200 for each region.

Agreed, 250 would be my guess. I'd pay 300 if the quality is good. More would be ok if it's really good (=color corrected etc.) and available as download to avoid customs

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It's interesting that people would rather pay out $200 and buy an external hard-drive, when you could easily generate the entire US completely for free using Ortho4XP (Which will produce fantastic coastlines). The mind boggles, but I never was a good business man  :Tounge:

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keep an eye out on Their FB page they are also offering a free night lighting tweak when its done

 

Just bought BSS sound package for Jardeisgn A320 and both products are awesome


It's interesting that people would rather pay out $200 and buy an external hard-drive, when you could easily generate the entire US completely for free using Ortho4XP (Which will produce fantastic coastlines). The mind boggles, but I never was a good business man  :Tounge:

 

Me thinks it would be the time involved and people would want to pay instead I guess - not knowing anything about Ortho I would assume it would take a ton of time to do the entire US

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It's interesting that people would rather pay out $200 and buy an external hard-drive, when you could easily generate the entire US completely for free using Ortho4XP (Which will produce fantastic coastlines). The mind boggles, but I never was a good business man  :Tounge:

Time… Money… Other things to do for many people

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Me thinks it would be the time involved and people would want to pay instead I guess - not knowing anything about Ortho I would assume it would take a ton of time to do the entire US

 

Well the thing with orthos is that you should only generate the areas as and when you want them. It can take time depending on your internet but Ortho4XP can just batch convert and you can walk away from the computer). For me to generate Southern California, I clicked on the tiles I wanted (about 10 I think), walked away, came back to my computer in about 4 hours and it was done. Not bad going at all. For Europe, I only generate the tiles as and when I need them, and at some point I realised I had everywhere done. I certainly wouldn't pay anyone to do it for me when it's actually really easy :)


Time… Money… Other things to do for many people

 

Something I think most flight simmers seem to have a lot of, especially the long haulers. I've never believed in the lack of time as an excuse (when people fly across the atlantic in real-time). I think the real reason is that it's just easy to pay someone else to do it :-)

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@Tony

 

I didn't say it was me that would pay necessarily, but I definitely understand if people would prefer to pay for something that takes time like scenery.

 

If they aren't flying, they may just want to use other time with family or other hobbies besides dealing with scenery stuff.

 

Nothing wrong with that at all.

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Well the thing with orthos is that you should only generate the areas as and when you want them. It can take time depending on your internet but Ortho4XP can just batch convert and you can walk away from the computer). For me to generate Southern California, I clicked on the tiles I wanted (about 10 I think), walked away, came back to my computer in about 4 hours 

 

4 hours for 10 tiles and thats not the entire state - now I see the interest in this product

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Well it's all dependent on your Internet speed. It would take me 4 hours to download the equivalent scenery as well from a website (I don't have the most amazing Internet). I've heard of people doing it much quicker that I can. But, as they say, each to his own

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I don't even know why we are debating this…

 

I think it's great that there will be some options for those that don't want to do all of it manually.

 

I'd argue one of the long-standing problems holding X-plane back from more widespread adoption is the lack of commercial products available for purchase for those that don't want to do it all themselves or source everything themselves from all over the Internet

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You're right it's pointless debating it (I've tried to convince people before). I'm absolutely in the minority here when it comes to making my own scenery.

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You're right it's pointless debating it (I've tried to convince people before). I'm absolutely in the minority here when it comes to making my own scenery.

Honestly there's just no point in trying to convince people of anything as it relates to doing it yourself versus purchasing. Some just don't want to do with themselves and are happy to part with money instead, which of course is absolutely 100% fine.

 

There's no right or wrong answer here.

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Excited to see how it looks in some known areas vs my manually done ones in the PNW

 

Speaking of the PNW...

 

The Cascade range and coastal areas between Washington State and BC Canada are a popular flying area. That's going to be a pretty dramatic visual change right at the border, if this product only covers the USA. Are there equivalent sources of orthos for the Canada side?

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You're right it's pointless debating it (I've tried to convince people before). I'm absolutely in the minority here when it comes to making my own scenery.

 

Not a minority just a great talent  :wink:

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And don't forget ... just because they get money for it, it doesn't means it will be perfect.

 

Orthoimagery is a very complex topic, which is still not well understood by many (and thus, many are often "surprised" about the inherent issues arising). The end result is massively influenced by the source data quality ... and to some extent by the time and resources people are willing (and able) to invest to correct the problems (which are sometimes correctable, sometimes not really). Especially at continental scale, you can be 100% assured that quality won't be consistent and you will need to accept some (or a lot) of problems (depending on regions - some will be maybe super great, others maybe super meh) ...

 

And now,if it will not be perfect, but the price still very high (even if most of it only covers the HDDs and shipping ... but people might not understand that) ... then one can easily imagine the end users reactions.

 

In this sense, Ortho4XP might be much less risky investment :wink:

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Just a thought but am correct that they have to pay money to distribute this bet they do so more involved than just time and hard drives in the selling price

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It's interesting that people would rather pay out $200 and buy an external hard-drive, when you could easily generate the entire US completely for free using Ortho4XP (Which will produce fantastic coastlines). The mind boggles, but I never was a good business man  :Tounge:

 

Opportunity cost.  Spending lots of time to do it yourself versus spending lots of money to have someone else do it for you.  Same reason people go to restaurants when it costs much less to prepare a meal at home.

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