May 19, 20179 yr Thanks for clarifying. FYI I have set MceFOPerCharSpeedDuration=120 and that cured the intial ATC clearance problem for me - my TTS voice seems to be quite slow. On the grammar: I found "request ATC clearance" makes the FO ask for the Initial clearance. He says "Startup clearance" but you already said that is correct terminology. But what is the phrase then to make him request the Startup (and Pushback) clearance? These are two separate requests in PF3 (with the respective Pushback/Startup option set). It is the same hotkey so I can again ask for "ATC clearance" but there should be something different for the "Pushback and Engine Start clearance" also.
May 20, 20179 yr I made another complete flight with the new MCE-FO. The overall experience is just great! There is only one major issue: The change of frequency before acknowledging the handoff. I think some other inconsistencies are consequent issues. I would appreciate if you could fix just that beforehand and we could go on testing from there.
May 20, 20179 yr Commercial Member 41 minutes ago, RALF9636 said: I made another complete flight with the new MCE-FO. The overall experience is just great! There is only one major issue: The change of frequency before acknowledging the handoff. I think some other inconsistencies are consequent issues. I would appreciate if you could fix just that beforehand and we could go on testing from there. Wilco Gerald R https://www.multicrewxp.com
May 20, 20179 yr On 19.05.2017 at 10:16 AM, RALF9636 said: I tested with FSUIPC (4.966c) Multiline Window on and off. Ralf, what are your FSUIPC "FSUIPC multiline", "Suppress multiline", "Hide all single" settings when using MCE? Which one is ticked? Thanks, Dirk.
May 21, 20179 yr On 5/19/2017 at 3:36 PM, FS++ said: I'm really stumped with regards these freezing events, as nobody else has reported them. I am guessing it could be related to one of your joystick buttons being unreliable. Suggest you unplug it and perform a couple of flights using DEL key for transmission and see how it goes. I thought similar problems were reported. Anyway, installed 2.7.1.0, and a VFR flight with FSX' built-in ATC went really well. No freezes, very solid recognition. I'll keep you posted! Best regards, Dimitrios 9950X3D - 64 GB - RX 7900 XTX - TrackIR - Power-LC M39 WQHD - Honeycomb Alpha yoke, Saitek pedals & throttles in a crummy home-cockpit - MSFS for props, P3D for jets
May 22, 20179 yr Commercial Member On 5/20/2017 at 0:04 PM, RALF9636 said: I made another complete flight with the new MCE-FO. The overall experience is just great! There is only one major issue: The change of frequency before acknowledging the handoff. I think some other inconsistencies are consequent issues. I would appreciate if you could fix just that beforehand and we could go on testing from there. Please download this patch and manually replace 4 files total. MCE patch for PF3 Changelog. Captions are now queued so none overwrites the previous one or gets ignored. Better timings with acknowledgments. And radios tuning working as expected after acknowledgments You can now ask FO to remind you ATC related stuff with commands such as Confirm speed restriction. confirm departure frequency. confirm taxi instructions. Gerald R https://www.multicrewxp.com
May 23, 20179 yr Author I'm loving this new version of MCE!! Is there a way to get a basic list of commands that can be used, I got stuck trying to request my FO to request pushback. A list of basic terms that could be used would be very helpful so I could get started and then move on and try different variations. :) Cheers Rob
May 23, 20179 yr 14 minutes ago, Helix1250 said: I got stuck trying to request my FO to request pushback. "Request push and start clearance" worked for me. The new version is awesome! I will post a list of some remaining issues after my first flight is completed. Nothing serious though so far.
May 23, 20179 yr Commercial Member 42 minutes ago, Helix1250 said: I'm loving this new version of MCE!! Is there a way to get a basic list of commands that can be used, I got stuck trying to request my FO to request pushback. A list of basic terms that could be used would be very helpful so I could get started and then move on and try different variations. :) Cheers Rob Asking FO to request push on your behalf isn't in yet. Will be in next update. Here is the entire range of requests you can make to FO <At least one item from the following list> (Required) could you please let me know could you please tell me could you please give me could you please get me could you please get could you please confirm would you please let me know would you please tell me would you please give me would you please get me would you please get would you please confirm can you please let me know can you please tell me can you please give me can you please get me can you please get can you please confirm do you mind to confirm do you mind confirm do you mind to get what's the matter with what's the deal with can you tell me can you tell us could you tell me could you tell us where the hell are where the hell is do you happen to know do you happen know can i ask you for can i ask you can i ask what can i ask may i ask you for may i ask you may i ask what may i ask any information about any chance you get any chance grab any chance for any luck with please tell me about please remind me about please find out about please get the current please get current please look up please look for please get me current please get us current please get me please get us please remind us please remind me please work out please find out tell me about remind me about would you know do you remember find out about is it possible could you confirm mind to confirm whatts up with any news about any idea about any idea what for what reason do you have where the hell have you got have we got did you do do you know do we have do we know in what way mind to read mind to get look up for look up look for is there get current mind confirm please confirm do confirm remind us remind me what is what about what are what was what's on remind me please get mind read please read mind get get us tell me tell us get me get us are you are we any chance how is how are how much how many where is where are why is why are will you did you did we did I do we have we confirm request current latest what's read get who how where when who is <End choice list> the (optional word "the") <At least one item from the following list> (Required) distance and track to the airport distance and track to airport distance and heading to the airport distance and heading to airport heading to the airport heading to the airfield heading to airport heading to airfield direction to airport direction to airfield airport direction airport location our call sign my call sign callsign call sign flight number ATC identifier aircraft registration ATC registration zero fuel weight zero fuel percentage of CG CG percentage centre of gravity percentage centre gravity percentage centre of gravity centre gravity V speeds V one decision speed VR rotation speed V two transition altitude altitude for transition altitude transition flaps setting for takeoff flaps setting takeoff takeoff flaps setting runway in use active runway takeoff runway landing runway flex temp flex temperature flexible temperature de-rating temperature power saving temperature approach speed reference speed v ref transition level transition flight level flight level for transition flight level transition level for transition level transition takeoff weight gross weight takeoff mass speed airspeed indicated speed indicated airspeed altitude altimeter reading heading magnetic heading compass reading vertical speed variometer rate of climb rate of descent latest assigned atc clearance assigned atc clearance latest atc clearance our atc clearance the atc clearance atc clearance atc assigned departure frequency atc assigned altitude atc assigned heading atc assigned squawk code atc assigned transponder code atc assigned squawk atc assigned transponder atc assigned code assigned departure frequency assigned atc altitude assigned atc heading assigned atc squawk code assigned atc transponder code assigned atc squawk assigned atc transponder assigned atc code cleared to heading cleared heading cleared to altitude cleared to flight level cleared altitude assigned flight level assigned level assigned altitude assigned heading assigned speed restriction assigned speed limit assigned speed departure frequency assigned squawk code assigned transponder code assigned squawk assigned transponder assigned code transponder code squawk code speed restriction speed limit taxiway instructions taxiway guidance taxi instructions taxi guidance transponder squawk ATC menu choice ATC options ATC choice ATC menu can i say to ATC can i say ATC displayed on ATC window zfw cg <End choice list> Optionally, may utter something here, like the FO name or whatever. As you can see, the grammar is built with the idea that users don't need to read lengthy manuals. Don't forget, if you happen to be speaking a command that doesn't seem to be recognized (after speaking it a couple of times, you can make that same improvised speech work. Go to Voxscript interface and create a flow with a single command. Just include one of the above built-in commands, and your custom command will alias the it. The custom command can be anything you like. For instance if you want to teach FO that when you say "The boys are leaving" you meant "request atc clearance", just alias it to the built-in one (request atc clearance) and it will be an additional way to request the same thing. Using that less advertised part of VoxScript, you could interact with FO on your terms, and never be short of vocabulary, since you'd be speaking your Lingo. Gerald R https://www.multicrewxp.com
May 23, 20179 yr Here are some things I noticed on my first flight with the newest MCE-Version 0. It is just magic hearing the MCE-FO talking to PF3! Well done! Thank you! 1. Talking simultaneously with AI chatter. Two different situations here: a) FO talks to ATC, then an AI transmission (or ATC to AI) starts: this can be avoided by sending the PF3 PTT hotkey just before the FO transmission. b) FO starts talking into a playing AI transmission. This cannot be avoided by the PF3 PTT hotkey. MCE should find a way to detect wether an AI transmission is playing and wait until it is finished - and only then send the PF3 PTT hotkey and start talking. 2. IFR clearance, Startup Clearance, Pushback and Startup clearance MCE seems not to differentiate between these three, though they are (optional – can be chosen before connecting PF3) different requests in PF3. Subsequently the FO says „Clearance Delivery...“ when requesting Pushback and Startup even though already on Ground frequency. 3. Name of destination airport Very nice to have the FO say the name and not just the ICAO code! In my case it was „Vienna / Schwechat“. Apart from his problems pronouncing „Schwechat“ correctly ;-) he (TTS voice) said „Vienna slash Schwechat“. I don't want the „slash“, so: Where does MCE take the airport names from? Can I just delete the „/“ there? Or is it an internal list in MCE? Can MCE perhaps automatically replace the „/“ (or „-“ etc.) with a "space" when pronouncing the name? 4. Timing of responses I have set the „PerCharSpeedDuration“ settings so that the timing works quite well for me in most situations. PfePerCharSpeedDuration=55 //45 MceFOPerCharSpeedDuration=120 //30 There are some special situations though where a significantly longer PfePerCharSpeedDuration would be needed. These are the taxi clearances as well as the departure and approach clearances. This apparently is because PF3 gives these clearances in a quite low speed (probably to make them understandable better). It is particularly noticeable with very long taxi clearances. So the PfePerCharSpeedDuration should be automatically increased (maybe by 50 %) for these clearances, if possible. 5. Readback of takeoff clearance The FO did not automatically („you have ATC“ was set) readback the takeoff clearance. When I asked „reply to ATC“ he repeated the taxi clearance again. That might have to do with the fact that I did not wait for PF3 to hand me off to Tower but switched to Tower manually before asking the FO „request takeoff clearance“. 6. „Dialing ...“ after handoff Is there a way to make the the FO dial in the new frequency silently? Without saying „dialing ...“? This phrase sometimes seems like a part of the readback of the handoff and is a little annoying to me. 7. Check-in with new facility I am not sure if „as cleared“ is the correct phraseology here. The original PF3 phraseology is: „<callsign> (is with you) at Flightlevel … / out of Flightlevel … for Flightlevel ...“ 8. Handoff to Tower for landing Contacting Tower (immediately after "contact Tower on ... when on final") comes too early. It should be automatically postponed until established on final, if that is possible. If not possible it should be left to a request by the user „Request landing clearance“. 9. Requesting taxi to gate The FO did not automatically contact Ground for taxi to gate. He had dialed in the Ground frequency correctly though after handoff from Tower. I could not make him do it neither because when asking „request taxi clearance“ MCE apparently sent hotkey 0 (taxi to runway) and not hotkey 5. I finally manually pressed hotkey 5 which worked, but leads to: 10. MCE-FO voice when manually pressing a hotkey Would it be possible to have the MCE-FO voice when manually pressing a hotkey? There might be the need to do that should anything go wrong or for some special requests. 11. Picking up a similar callsign While taxiing to the gate the FO picked up a „Lufthansa 234 is clear of the runway“ and responded to that. We were Lufthansa 134 and Lufthansa 234 landed shortly after us (coincidentally!). This might also be a consequence of 9. of course, because the FO was still waiting for the „clear of the runway“ announcement and the similarity of the callsigns was just a coincidence.
May 23, 20179 yr Commercial Member 47 minutes ago, RALF9636 said: Here are some things I noticed on my first flight with the newest MCE-Version 0. It is just magic hearing the MCE-FO talking to PF3! Well done! Thank you! 1. Talking simultaneously with AI chatter. Two different situations here: a) FO talks to ATC, then an AI transmission (or ATC to AI) starts: this can be avoided by sending the PF3 PTT hotkey just before the FO transmission. b) FO starts talking into a playing AI transmission. This cannot be avoided by the PF3 PTT hotkey. MCE should find a way to detect wether an AI transmission is playing and wait until it is finished - and only then send the PF3 PTT hotkey and start talking. 2. IFR clearance, Startup Clearance, Pushback and Startup clearance MCE seems not to differentiate between these three, though they are (optional – can be chosen before connecting PF3) different requests in PF3. Subsequently the FO says „Clearance Delivery...“ when requesting Pushback and Startup even though already on Ground frequency. 3. Name of destination airport Very nice to have the FO say the name and not just the ICAO code! In my case it was „Vienna / Schwechat“. Apart from his problems pronouncing „Schwechat“ correctly ;-) he (TTS voice) said „Vienna slash Schwechat“. I don't want the „slash“, so: Where does MCE take the airport names from? Can I just delete the „/“ there? Or is it an internal list in MCE? Can MCE perhaps automatically replace the „/“ (or „-“ etc.) with a "space" when pronouncing the name? 4. Timing of responses I have set the „PerCharSpeedDuration“ settings so that the timing works quite well for me in most situations. PfePerCharSpeedDuration=55 //45 MceFOPerCharSpeedDuration=120 //30 There are some special situations though where a significantly longer PfePerCharSpeedDuration would be needed. These are the taxi clearances as well as the departure and approach clearances. This apparently is because PF3 gives these clearances in a quite low speed (probably to make them understandable better). It is particularly noticeable with very long taxi clearances. So the PfePerCharSpeedDuration should be automatically increased (maybe by 50 %) for these clearances, if possible. 5. Readback of takeoff clearance The FO did not automatically („you have ATC“ was set) readback the takeoff clearance. When I asked „reply to ATC“ he repeated the taxi clearance again. That might have to do with the fact that I did not wait for PF3 to hand me off to Tower but switched to Tower manually before asking the FO „request takeoff clearance“. 6. „Dialing ...“ after handoff Is there a way to make the the FO dial in the new frequency silently? Without saying „dialing ...“? This phrase sometimes seems like a part of the readback of the handoff and is a little annoying to me. 7. Check-in with new facility I am not sure if „as cleared“ is the correct phraseology here. The original PF3 phraseology is: „<callsign> (is with you) at Flightlevel … / out of Flightlevel … for Flightlevel ...“ 8. Handoff to Tower for landing Contacting Tower (immediately after "contact Tower on ... when on final") comes too early. It should be automatically postponed until established on final, if that is possible. If not possible it should be left to a request by the user „Request landing clearance“. 9. Requesting taxi to gate The FO did not automatically contact Ground for taxi to gate. He had dialed in the Ground frequency correctly though after handoff from Tower. I could not make him do it neither because when asking „request taxi clearance“ MCE apparently sent hotkey 0 (taxi to runway) and not hotkey 5. I finally manually pressed hotkey 5 which worked, but leads to: 10. MCE-FO voice when manually pressing a hotkey Would it be possible to have the MCE-FO voice when manually pressing a hotkey? There might be the need to do that should anything go wrong or for some special requests. 11. Picking up a similar callsign While taxiing to the gate the FO picked up a „Lufthansa 234 is clear of the runway“ and responded to that. We were Lufthansa 134 and Lufthansa 234 landed shortly after us (coincidentally!). This might also be a consequence of 9. of course, because the FO was still waiting for the „clear of the runway“ announcement and the similarity of the callsigns was just a coincidence. Thanks for valuable feedback. Will see what can be done. Meanwhile, try deleting the "McePerChar..." and "PfePerChar..." to see what you get with default (which was worked on in latest update). Expect a newer revision this week. Gerald R https://www.multicrewxp.com
May 23, 20179 yr Update after another flight: Quote 4. Timing of responses I have set the „PerCharSpeedDuration“ settings so that the timing works quite well for me in most situations. PfePerCharSpeedDuration=55 //45 MceFOPerCharSpeedDuration=120 //30 There are some special situations though where a significantly longer PfePerCharSpeedDuration would be needed. These are the taxi clearances as well as the departure and approach clearances. This apparently is because PF3 gives these clearances in a quite low speed (probably to make them understandable better). It is particularly noticeable with very long taxi clearances. So the PfePerCharSpeedDuration should be automatically increased (maybe by 50 %) for these clearances, if possible. Using the default values (by deleting the entries) works fine - except for the special situations mentioned above. In these situations the timing is too short. Quote 5. Readback of takeoff clearance The FO did not automatically („you have ATC“ was set) readback the takeoff clearance. When I asked „reply to ATC“ he repeated the taxi clearance again. That might have to do with the fact that I did not wait for PF3 to hand me off to Tower but switched to Tower manually before asking the FO „request takeoff clearance“. This time I waited for PF3-Ground to hand me off to Tower and my FO readback the takeoff clearance properly. So apparently a problem when manually switching to Tower. Quote 7. Check-in with new facility I am not sure if „as cleared“ is the correct phraseology here. The original PF3 phraseology is: „<callsign> (is with you) at Flightlevel … / out of Flightlevel … for Flightlevel ...“ Same for "just airborne" - never heard that in PF3. Quote 11. Picking up a similar callsign While taxiing to the gate the FO picked up a „Lufthansa 234 is clear of the runway“ and responded to that. We were Lufthansa 134 and Lufthansa 234 landed shortly after us (coincidentally!). This might also be a consequence of 9. of course, because the FO was still waiting for the „clear of the runway“ announcement and the similarity of the callsigns was just a coincidence. It happened again on my return flight as Lufthansa 135. The FO responded to calls for Lufthansa 182 several times. 12. Greetings by time of day "Good evening" etc. seems to depend on the System Time. I would prefer if it would depend on the sim local time, if possible.
May 24, 20179 yr I made a flight in "I have ATC"-mode and gave single commands to my FO to make ATC requests/responds. That worked pretty nice - avoiding the false responds to calls for other Lufthansa flights and the too early contact to Tower for landing. I did not succeed in making my FO ask for landing clearance though. I said "request landing clearance" but he requested "we like to starter engage engine". I tried that several times - everytime with that result. I had to manually press hotkey 1 to get landing clearance. One other thing that I found a little annoying: I had to separately command every frequency change. It would be nice to have a mode in which I have ATC but the FO nevertheless automatically handles the COM frequency changes. Similar to the VCP mode 1 in PF3.
May 27, 20179 yr Commercial Member On 5/24/2017 at 9:01 PM, RALF9636 said: I made a flight in "I have ATC"-mode and gave single commands to my FO to make ATC requests/responds. That worked pretty nice - avoiding the false responds to calls for other Lufthansa flights and the too early contact to Tower for landing. I did not succeed in making my FO ask for landing clearance though. I said "request landing clearance" but he requested "we like to starter engage engine". I tried that several times - everytime with that result. I had to manually press hotkey 1 to get landing clearance. One other thing that I found a little annoying: I had to separately command every frequency change. It would be nice to have a mode in which I have ATC but the FO nevertheless automatically handles the COM frequency changes. Similar to the VCP mode 1 in PF3. The airport name comes from assigned flight plan. Here is the new patch: Download link Manually replace 4 files. No need for previous patch. Most issues that were reported so far have been ironed out. FO should now ignore AI transmissions. Gerald R https://www.multicrewxp.com
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