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Opinion requested for iFly 737NG Prepar3dv4

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Now that User's of this aircraft have had a little while to use it in Prepar3D v4, I was wondering if they could give an opinion/report on how it goes in this new platform. I'm on the fence as to whether I should pay for the upgrade from P3D v3 or wait the the free PMDG NGX release. The Captain Sim 737-200 v4 update will be released shortly as well but I'm not ware of the time frame.

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Personally I'll wait for the PMDG NGX. My experience with iFly haven't been the greatest... I had their 737 for FS9 - but for some reason, I don't like the FSX/P3D version... 

In my opinion, it just isn't up to the same standard as PMDG.

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The iFly guys have put tons of time and work in their B737, and it would be stupid to say it were bad. As Anders wrote, I'd strongly recommend waiting for PMDG. I have a lot of "real world" 737 experience at least in airline simulators, and iFly is somewhat as realistic as Aerosoft's Airbuses.The panel looks like a cheap plastic toy, badly readable displays, and severe bugs with the autopilot and autothrottle. However there is no upgrade fee from the former P3D version. Myself I'll keep waiting. Eagerly.

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I'm with Anders.I have both the Ifly and the pmdg (for fsx) and the NGX is better imo. Btw, the VC textures  in the ifly are nothing to write home about.

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I think flight 1 has a 30 day refund policy. You can try it and keep it in the end if you like :)

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6 minutes ago, snapshot21 said:

I think flight 1 has a 30 day refund policy. You can try it and keep it in the end if you like :)

Actually - I think I already took advantage of that :laugh:

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10 minutes ago, WarpDrive said:

Baloney replies you've been given. 
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Could you please just try and act respectfully towards other members? 

Just because the views presented here, differentiates with yours, doesn't make those answers "baloney", ludicrous or otherwise wrong. Answers here are clearly given as a personal and subjective opinion. It's all in the eye of the beholder... if you can't cope with the fact, that other people have different opinions or views, just stay clear. 

There's no need to be condescending or put down perfectly valid replies, just because they don't agree with yours. 

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Thanks All, I guess its best if I buy it and find out for myself, I dont mind having a stable of 737's.

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1 hour ago, Pegaso said:

The iFly guys have put tons of time and work in their B737, and it would be stupid to say it were bad...

...The panel looks like a cheap plastic toy, badly readable displays, and severe bugs with the autopilot and autothrottle. However there is no upgrade fee from the former P3D version. Myself I'll keep waiting. Eagerly.

"It would be stupid to say it were bad...", followed by you saying it looks like a cheap plastic toy, has badly readable displays and is riddled with bugs?!? 😆😆😆

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49 minutes ago, WarpDrive said:I much prefer the iFly. And find the VC actually better then the NGX which looks like a cheap cartoon toy. Horrible. A steel grey battle ship with no soul it feels like. 

Either way, the extra features and abilities of the iFly over the NGX puts it in front quite easily 

Some of us aren't 13 yr old 'phanboys' sucked in by 'clever' marketing. :)

Cheap cartoon toy...horrible...a steel grey battle ship,with 'no soul'. You're talking about one of the most-loved addons in the history of flight sim. And then the 13 yr old 'phanboys' nonsense, good way to impress the crowd on your 4th post, my friend.

I actually want to hear more about the iFly from more people who have flown it and the NGX, and who aren't madly partisan one way or the other. I own both in FSX, I might get the P3D version just to actually see what it is like. 

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22 minutes ago, JustanotherPilot said:

Thanks All, I guess its best if I buy it and find out for myself, I dont mind having a stable of 737's.

It may be the only way to find out, I'm finding that there's too many opinions on v4 planes by people who have NOT actually flown them. 😳

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The iFly 737 has the better VC dimensions without a doubt, they really got that bit right, but the PMDG is the better product in every other department.

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I have (had) both in FSX (recently decommissioned) and am on record on AVSIM as saying I prefer the iFly 737 over the PMDG version based on my real world experience. The PMDG version is a superb product, with some not so good bits, and likewise the iFly 737 is a superb product, with some not so good bits,

For my purposes (emphasis on me), I prefer the iFly version because I cannot configure the PMDG version to match the equipment variations of my employers B737 fleet, therefore I cannot use it as well for work preparation purposes. The iFly 737 can be precisely figured to my Company spec.

I find the dimensions in the PMDG version very off putting. The iFly VC dimensions are spot on but the textures could be better (but with a 4K monitor, they are okay).

The start sequence timing in the iFly 737 is not quite right. The PMDG version is spot on.

The Nav suite capability allowing all approach types (that I need to do - emphasis on me again) is better in iFly. The sound set in PMDG is slightly better.

Neither is perfect, as you can see, it depends on how you want to use it.

I will load the PMDG in v4 when it is released, because I do use both, even though one (iFly) is used about 75% of the time (that I am practising).

When I Sim for fun, I fly Ant's Winjeel. Now there is a v4 add-on!

Regards,

Mark

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I used the iFly737 NGX ( Cockpitbuilders Edition ). Imho it has the best flightdynamics.

The VC looks great and everything is working. Only the PMDG compass is beter modelled.

As I have tried them both and I did not use failures I liked the "feeling" of the iFly better.

( See also Mark's reply above mine )

 

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Gerard,

Is the cockpitbuilder edition different to the regular sim version ? If not, would you mind defining "great"  (VC) ??? I have  the ifly fsx version and my Vc textures are nowhere close to great or good for that matter imo.

 

Thanks

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I'm really surprised there are so many who feel the iFly 737NG vc looks as good as the PMDG NGX vc.  I just can't see the similarities, as IMHO PMDG vc is far better in appearance and 3d detail (knobs & switches).  I have had both PMDG & iFly 737's since FS2004 and have the iFly P3Dv4 version to tide me over until PMDG releases theirs. 

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1 minute ago, beechcaptain said:

I'm really surprised there are so many who feel the iFly 737NG vc looks as good as the PMDG NGX vc.  I just can't see the similarities, as IMHO PMDG vc is far better in appearance and 3d detail

The VC dimensions are way off in the PMDG NGX especially the windows, I know why they did it but it just looks wrong.

The iFly is much better in this regard but the NGX textures are better

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I fail to see how dimensions can be such a critical item (PMDG don't appear to be way off) for a PC sim when graphics resolution vary from system to system.  I don't notice a DRASTIC difference and to me, if it is solely the captains window size being a bit different in size between the two, that is being quoted and having a finger pointed to, well, I must admit, it is no where near as big of a difference compared to vc quality. YMMV. 

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I'd rather be able to clearly see the various vc panel sections and easily access the knobs/switches, sacrificing a bit of window dimensions than be 100% type accurate and have to rely on 2D panels.  Also, I don't use ezdok or other addon camera software or track ir, so that is not an option for me.

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6 minutes ago, beechcaptain said:

I fail to see how dimensions can be such a critical item (PMDG don't appear to be way off)

PMDG themselves admit it is wrong, done this way to accommodate the HUD which most airlines do not spec anyway.

Once seen it can't be unseen, shame really as in every other regard the PMDG product is nicer. 

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Well, herein lies the advantage of being a sim.  If we don't like it, we don't have to buy/fly it.  Dimensions of the captains window - if it is a no no for you, so be it.  To me, that is rather miniscule compared to access and view of the vc.  It is not a deal killer for me.  I don't use HUD, and I'm not miffed at PMDG for providing a quality product and vc with a bit of window-frame-size sacrifice. 

I don't see hundreds or more sim pilots blasting PMDG for the window size issue.  Again, I don't see a large number blasting iFly for lesser quality vc.  We are in the vocal minority in these regards, so, we've spoken our opinions.  I'm done.

 

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5 hours ago, JustanotherPilot said:

Now that User's of this aircraft have had a little while to use it in Prepar3D v4, I was wondering if they could give an opinion/report on how it goes in this new platform. I'm on the fence as to whether I should pay for the upgrade from P3D v3 or wait the the free PMDG NGX release. The Captain Sim 737-200 v4 update will be released shortly as well but I'm not ware of the time frame.

Just to be clear, there is no charge for the P3Dv4 version of the iFly 737NG for registered users of the P3Dv3 version.

Best,

Jim Harnes

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46 minutes ago, Glynn said:

PMDG themselves admit it is wrong, done this way to accommodate the HUD which most airlines do not spec anyway.

Once seen it can't be unseen, shame really as in every other regard the PMDG product is nicer. 

 

Unless you fly in the us, most American carriers are using it he HGS. WN,AA,DL and AS all use it

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To answer the original thread question, the iFly 737 NG package in P3D V4 is nice and does a good job of simulating airline ops. As you'd expect, it's tougher on frame rates than the default P3D aeroplanes, but depending on tweaks and/or your hardware, it is manageable and can be smoothly hand-flown on approaches etc. Personally, I've been enjoying flying it and it's not really had any problems, so I'd recommend it, particularly if you grab the discount coupon from Flight 1 and get it for 25 quid, as I did. 25 quid for nine realistically simulated variants of the NG is a steal.

With regard to all the sidetrack arguments over the relative merits of the iFly vs the PMDG 737 NGs, all the same beaten to death arguments apply; i.e. they can both do some things the other can't and both feature some things their rival product doesn't. Any Google search will clarify what those things are.

If you want an exact features list for the iFly NG, there is one here:

http://www.iflysimsoft.com/ProductsDetail.aspx?PID=17

 

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I bought the FSX version several years ago, then moved over to PMDG for various reasons. 

I recently decided to take advantage of the 50% discount offered by Flight1 and purchased it, hoping to see a nice graphical improvement since the FSX purchase.  

As soon as I loaded the plane up for the first time, I knew that I had made a big mistake. I just could not 'warm' to the VC. It just lacked the 'contemporary finesse' of the PMDG and at that point, my interest was lost.

Next day I claimed, and received a full refund from Flight, which I must say, having never claimed for one before, was so easy and straight forward. In my opinion, great service.

So why not give it a go, with the excellent refund policy of Flight1, there really is nothing to lose ?

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