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Most realistic turboprop for P3D?

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Hi all.

Looking for a very realistic turboprop aircraft for P3D.

I already have the Majestic Dash-8 Q400 and like it very much. But it may be a little big, it can't fit into smaller fields.


I am a stickler for realism and do not care much about graphics, but I do care a lot about correct implementation of avionics and things like beta range etc. I can't stand aircraft which do not behave like their real world counterparts, it just drives me nuts. I don't mind if the graphics are poor as long as the simulation is accurate.

I do not mind flying aircraft with old avionics. I learned to fly in real life before GPS was very common and my first GPS was an ancient bendix king KLN something or other with a little dot-matrix screen.

 

I have looked at the Flight 1 King Air B200 and it looks very interesting. I do prefer older avionics but the videos are pretty persuasive. But I am also very open to single engined or quad turboprops.

 

My typical turboprop flights vary from short field to medevac to heavy cargo ops.

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That would be the FlySimWare Cessna C441 Conquest II you'd be wanting then. :cool:

For a single, the Just Flight Piper PA-28 Turbo Arrow III/IV is pretty good.

Both of them are not too expensive and in fact the FSW C441 is on a discount at the moment (should be able to find it at most places for about 20 quid).

 

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The turboprop I found to be the most realistic is the Real Air Duke. I haven't tried to put it in v4 yet, but it is very realistic for P3D. I've got a bunch of real time in King Air's and the like, and those PT6 engines are heavy duty. 

 

The things that I like most about the Duke are:
1) attention to detail

2) sounds

3) engine handling (if you have a hot start, your engine will blow up -- & watch those temps in flight!)

4) aerodynamics/performance (the sweet spot has been hit with this one, balance between real world and sim handling)

5) Flight1's GPS intergration (LPV approaches, etc)

6) You can fly anywhere with this little beast (dirt, gravel, short, hot & high)

 

There honestly isn't much that I have to complain about. The ONLY thing is, and by no fault of its own is the thrust lag. It's a simulator limitation. The thrust lag is very annoying, in other words, the response time from when you put the thrust levers forward, to the power you achieve is very slow. In this regard, X-Plane 11 has it nailed down. Perfect ratio. I also wish that they simulated Icing as well... But, other than that, this airplane is awesome; there's no way you'll be disappointed. Watch some youtube videos on it, and you'll see what I'm talking about. 

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I would also suggest the MU-2 by Flightsimware, very nice turboprop with very realistic behavior and has the ability to integrate the GTN 750. The VC visuals are fine, but surely not the best in the industry. Flight 1 KA 200 is nice ( not yet ported to P3D v4.0) and also as mentioned above the RealAir Tubine Duke v2.0, but unfortunately the Turbine Duke is no longer available. Can't go wrong with either one of these 3, but there is something about the MU-2 that keeps me going back to it!

Cheers

Martin

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On 9/8/2017 at 7:12 PM, godimaginedme said:

The turboprop I found to be the most realistic is the Real Air Duke...

Good as it is, the problem is you can only find it as a CD version for FSX now since Real Air are no longer in business. It is still for sale in that format at Flight 1 and then you'd get it mailed to you, but even then it ain't a P3D aeroplane and it certainly ain't native to P3D V4 although I understand some people have got it in there by tweaking a few things manually, but I'd be disinclined to pay 40 quid for something which I'd have to start faffing about with just to install and which is not going to receive any patching should something change in P3D to prevent it working. It would be far more sensible to go with something which was native unless you really desperately wanted the Duke specifically and were prepared to start in with the DIY.

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First I heard that RealAir went out of business.  How sad.  I had their turbine and piston Duke in FSX and I really admired the quality.  I was hoping to get at least the pistion Duke for P3d, could not retrieve it from my old system which had crashed.  The Dukes were arguably the best aircraft I ever owned, great detail from visuals to flight dynamics which RealAir excelled in.

John

 

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The FlySimWare Cessna C441 Conquest II looks an interesting beast. As it works in P3Dv4 I may take advantage of the weekends sale.
Does anyone know if it works with the Flight1 GNS 530? I saw mention of the 750 compatibility.

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PMDG will release the BAe Jetstream 4100 for P3D, apparently in the not too distant future ("in short order", to quote their Facebook post from earlier this week).

 

Peter

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Yup, it's likely that PMDG's BAe J41 will be the best small turboprop you can get for P3D V4 when it comes out, which I assume is not going to be too far off since it was apparently the secret twin-engined project they'd been mentioning working on for quite a while. In the interim, the C441 for about 20 quid though is not gonna break the bank for a pretty decent aircraft, so it won't be too painful a wait, nor a long one it would seem. I'd guess at it being within the month.

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2 hours ago, Chock said:

For a single, the Just Flight Piper PA-28 Turbo Arrow III/IV is pretty good.

I agree it is great. But it's not a turbo in the sense of a tourbine powered prop airplane.

Its turbo is more like your backyard pick-up's turbo, a re-utilization of the exhaust gases into the cilinders.

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True, it's not a gas turbine but it is a turbocharged prop aeroplane lol, so it's a good excuse to get it, as it is nevertheless pretty fast, and I assume that speed is why the OP wanted a turbine aeroplane. It's P3D V4 compatible at a time when the choice of decent P3D V4 compatible actual gas turbine aircraft is fairly limited, especially singles, so I thought I'd throw it in the list.

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Q400 - works great in p3d v3 (waiting for p3dv4 version)

And I saw pmdg will be releasing their JS4100 one of these days (no idea when).  They posted a fb screenshot

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3 hours ago, qqwertzde said:

PMDG will release the BAe Jetstream 4100 for P3D, apparently in the not too distant future ("in short order", to quote their Facebook post from earlier this week).

 

Peter

Great news...Thank you.

Regards,

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Thanks for the posts guys.

But like I said, the Q400 I already have and it is too big of an aircraft for the fields I want to fly into. BAe 4100 is most likely too big as well.

 

I am going to take a look at the Cessna and Duke.

 

Does anyone have any opinions about either the Carenado or Flight1 Pilatus PC-12?

 

The Flight 1 King Air B200 is really pulling me in.. it looks so good..

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I would also advise Cessna 441. This is a really interesting aircraft flight dynamics and on the implementation of systems. If the graphical part of the design of VC you are not satisfied, can offer to try alternative textures that I did for myself last year.

There is a link in this thread:

 

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5 hours ago, paradoxbox said:

Does anyone have any opinions about either the Carenado or Flight1 Pilatus PC-12?

 

Unless I am missing something, the Flight1 PC-12 is a very old FS2004 version overhauled to work in FSX and never really built for P3D.

The Carenado PC-12 is typical Carenado product; great looking textures and modeling. OK FDE and poor avionics / AFCS implementation. There was a patched FDE in the Carenado forums. I never really liked the FDE for the PC-12 as it always had an aggressive nose down attitude on landing. I know some felt it was realistic, but speaking with PC-12 pilot's when upgrading them to the King Air it was not really that different than a King Air landing with full flaps. I never got around to trying their version 2.

I preferred the TBM-850 and the PA46T from Carenado. Both have mods in the Carenado forums for integrating the F1 GTN750 into the G1000 system. Nowhere near the systems integration of the Dash 8, but they are fun and simple flyers. 

 

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59 minutes ago, KenG said:

Does anyone have any opinions about either the Carenado or Flight1 Pilatus PC-12?

Carenado's PC-12 v2.0 with the mods that are available for it makes it a pretty decent plane, I enjoy flying it. Simple like most of Carenado's stuff but the mods really help and it's fun to fly in and out of short dirt runways! As mentioned above Flight 1 PC-12 is a FS2004 model.

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I would say the Flight 1 B200.  Don't know which version of P3D you are using but it is not yet available in V4 and the reason I have not migrated to V4 yet.  Great for runs in ORBX regions.

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45 minutes ago, Anxu00 said:

I would say the Flight 1 B200.  Don't know which version of P3D you are using but it is not yet available in V4 and the reason I have not migrated to V4 yet.  Great for runs in ORBX regions.

+1 The best, most realistic right now. I have the Milviz King Air alpha(s) and the flight model 2 years ago was very good. Looking forward to it in final form.

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Actually, I can no longer recommend the F1 B200. When the developer used as one of the reasons he could not add a Weather Radar was the significant change in the FDE they lost all my respect. 

-> Yoda on F1 Forums: "And because radar in the real airplane adds weight, doing it realistically would force us to go back into the flight model and redevelop that -- itself a lengthy, expensive process."

The radome does not change regardless if the Wx Radar is installed or not.

I've heard some zingers in my day, but that is the best.

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The exterior model has nothing to do with the flight model though.

He is talking about having to redo performance figures. I take that to mean that they have modeled the aircraft with an empty radome which should provide a decent weight savings and increase in useful load as it is now.

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