virtualflying

7700k, 1060, and P3D V3.4

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Hey guys, I've had my 7700k for about a weak and I've been constantly trying new settings because I'm not sure if I am really getting the best performance. 

In Toronto and in the PMDG 777, I get 22 FPS, with my 1060 3GB at 100% load, and my CPU at around 90%, but normally dipping to about 70%. My VRAM usage was about 90% used, so maybe that is an issue, and I used these settings. I have ASN, REX, FTX Global + openLC North America, and GSX. Anything else I should try to do to improve performance?

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Are you OC your CPU? It is very important to have 4.6Ghz or more.

Simbol 

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Just now, simbol said:

Are you OC your CPU? It is very important to have 4.6Ghz or more.

Simbol 

Not at the moment. Originally my H75 mounting parts were supposed to arrive with the new 7700k, Z270A, and RAM, but it got delayed. We are using a basic air cooler, and when my new case gets here we will install the H75 in that. I'm also not too sure how to overclock an Intel, coming from AMD after 5 years.

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Ok what is your current clock?

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3 minutes ago, virtualflying said:

Not at the moment. Originally my H75 mounting parts were supposed to arrive with the new 7700k, Z270A, and RAM, but it got delayed. We are using a basic air cooler, and when my new case gets here we will install the H75 in that. I'm also not too sure how to overclock an Intel, coming from AMD after 5 years.

Here is a quick guide: https://forums.evga.com/m/tm.aspx?m=2395509&p=1

I don't know what mother board you have, but the concept is the same.

Regards 

Simbol 

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I don't have the PMDG bird, so I don't know how cpu intensive it is.  With my specs, listed in my signature, I am getting a locked 33 fps with Carenado's most complex aircraft, like the Premier1.  One thing I suggest, don't use the PMDG aircraft as your default.  Choose the A36, then switch to it, it will allow all the gauges to initialize properly.  I do get cpu usage close to 90 pct in most instances but it does not hobble my performance.  No tweaks have been applied to my P3dv4 setup, and I have 4.1 completely installed.

John

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I think I fixed it. I had made some changes in Nvidia Inspector and I just reset the settings to default and I now get 40 FPS at Heathrow again.

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A suggestion - P3D is more about smooth performance than FPS. If you really want the best experience, tune your system for the smoothest operation at the LOWEST fps. On my systems, that's 20fps - I can increase it to 30 but what for? Each system will be different but start thinking lower FPS with smooth operation is your performance goal.

Vic

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4 minutes ago, vgbaron said:

A suggestion - P3D is more about smooth performance than FPS. If you really want the best experience, tune your system for the smoothest operation at the LOWEST fps. On my systems, that's 20fps - I can increase it to 30 but what for? Each system will be different but start thinking lower FPS with smooth operation is your performance goal.

Vic

Yes, less is more.  The best way to tune P3d is to start conservative, then raise sliders according to taste, preferably one at a time.  Reducing texture size to 2048x2048 can make a difference, your eyes might discern a slight difference in quality but it reduces rendering requirements.  I can run smoothly at 33 fps without autogen (I don't need it with photoreal scenery) and AI at about 25 pct.  Everything else is maxed.  My OS is restricted for use only with my sims, IOTW I don't run fraps unless I am recording a video.

John

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22 minutes ago, virtualflying said:

I think I fixed it. I had made some changes in Nvidia Inspector and I just reset the settings to default and I now get 40 FPS at Heathrow again.

Well done, I must say I have the impression Nvidia Inspector is not needed for PD3, there are a lot of users that have this tool and they end up with problems similar to yours as the settings under NVI can have serious consequences for the performance of the simulator specially with DL enabled.

Regards,

Simbol

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Your FPS is not really a good way to determine your performance. The main point: is it running smooth. Are you using SSAA and  dynamic lighting? Not a good combo. Your GPU load will be running 100% more particularly at night the higher the SSAA is put. I have the same processor OC'd to 4.7 GHz. I do have the 1080 card though.

 

The PMDG series all run remarkably smooth - and the heavies 777 and 747 are fantastic.

 

i7-7700k OC'd 4.7 GHz,   Asus Prime Z270-A MOBO ,32 GB DDR4 Ripjaws, ZOTAC ampExtreme 1080 8GB,  Thermaltake Core V71 Case, Corsair H100i v2 liquid cooler, RM850xCorsair psu, ADATA M.2 2280 240GB SATA III TLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) WIndows 10 Pro, 2 TB Samsung and 3 TB WD HDs .

 

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1 hour ago, Lenny777 said:

Your FPS is not really a good way to determine your performance. The main point: is it running smooth. Are you using SSAA and  dynamic lighting? Not a good combo. Your GPU load will be running 100% more particularly at night the higher the SSAA is put. I have the same processor OC'd to 4.7 GHz. I do have the 1080 card though.

 

The PMDG series all run remarkably smooth - and the heavies 777 and 747 are fantastic.

 

i7-7700k OC'd 4.7 GHz,   Asus Prime Z270-A MOBO ,32 GB DDR4 Ripjaws, ZOTAC ampExtreme 1080 8GB,  Thermaltake Core V71 Case, Corsair H100i v2 liquid cooler, RM850xCorsair psu, ADATA M.2 2280 240GB SATA III TLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) WIndows 10 Pro, 2 TB Samsung and 3 TB WD HDs .

 

I am running with SSAA and dynamic lighting, have had no issues with smoothness or fps in the sim.  I lock down my framerates to free up the sim for photoreal rendering.  Over default scenery, unlocked, my fps hovers in the 50's and 60's with no stutters, blurries or other artifacts.  In XPlane11 I have everything maxed out and as one can see from my videos in the videos forum, things are very smooth there except for a slight stutter when panning my view.  In Xplane11 I have high res photoreal scenery for all of Arizona and North Central California and Western Nevada which I rendered with Ortho4xp.

I think one important thing is to have a video card that is matched for one's cpu and power supply.  Having a weak power supply and a high end video card can cause issues, as I found with my old system.  I upgraded the psu in that system and had no more issues with my video performance.  Too bad it crashed, I was doing alright with FSX on that system although I could not run Xplane well, it would run out of memory.  My new system is almost three times faster than that system was, at least according to the Valley Benchmark from UIEngine and my performance with No Limits Coaster Sim.

I also forgot to note I am running P3d 4.1.

John

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22 fps with all that payware?  Seems pretty good to me.  With my dated 2500k at 4GHz I'd be lucky to get 10.

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Hello to you all,

Simbol.  Whilst I do recognise that a fast CPU is indeed a benefit, I tend to disagree with the "yu have to have 4.6gz or better"  I say this because I have the i7 2600k CPU stock at 3.4 and using a single monitor I can fly at 40+  FPS

My problems start when I introduce docked screens which get frame rates down very rapidly (three screens are indeed flyable though) 

I am pretty sure I could get a better and smoother FPS if I upgraded to a 7700k and overclocked the bejesus out of it but to say that you "have" to have 4.6 or better is probably not the best advice. I personally think that "preferable" is a better word to use.

I mean no disrespect and I DO know where you are coming from.

For the OP, if anything, your GPU may be the weak spot, but I would imagine that it is well and truly adequate for the job. I am pleased to hear that you have sorted it out though.

Regards to all

Tony

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5 hours ago, vgbaron said:

A suggestion - P3D is more about smooth performance than FPS. If you really want the best experience, tune your system for the smoothest operation at the LOWEST fps. On my systems, that's 20fps - I can increase it to 30 but what for? Each system will be different but start thinking lower FPS with smooth operation is your performance goal.

Vic

Precisely. Mine's the same theory. Nothing as powerful as the OP's system, but I get smooth flights.

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21 hours ago, vc10man said:

Precisely. Mine's the same theory. Nothing as powerful as the OP's system, but I get smooth flights.

same here, most important is having smooth flights. I get some strange changes from 100 fps to 25fps but I live with as long as it's fluid

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Frame rate paranoia .... it’s not a good ailment to have .... See a Dr at once!!

 

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I much prefer the sensation of flying with higher frame rates. If you can lock Prepar3d at 60 FPS, with enough headroom to avoid dropping beneath this, it gives a very smooth experience. Locked at 30 is not as good, but not too bad.

If you've tried Aerofly FS2, you'll note that the lowest frame rate you can lock it at is 120 FPS! 

I think a lot of people in the flightsim world are acclimatized to dreadful framerates, I think we all spent a bit of time in the early days of FSX in single figures. But once P3D gets properly optimized, or we all have quantum computers, I think we'll look back and wonder how we ever flew with some of the FPS figures we still accept to today.

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wow, 22 fps, with those numbers, you will totally lose all sensation of flying for sure.

 

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4 minutes ago, CarlosF said:

wow, 22 fps, with those numbers, you will totally lose all sensation of flying for sure.

 

See, that's the problem thinking. High FPS does NOT equal smooth stutter free operation.  As I said, I always tune my systems to get smooth operation first and then start dropping the FPS until I hopefully get to that sweet spot with the lowest FPS with the smoothest operation and the most eyecandy.

On my systems, locked at 20 works perfectly the majority of the time. Locking it at 30 works just fine also but I gain absolutely NOTHING in performance and immersion except to be able to say I'm at 30 fps. The lower the fps, the more time the sim has to process all the bells and whistles that make simming a more enjoyable practice.

Want proof? Just read through these forums and look at the mumber of posts from users complaining that they get between 45-60 but it's a jerky mess with blurries, etc.

As a community, the sooner we get off the "high fps is better" bandwagon the happier we will be.

However, since I've been on this soap box for years with no major change, I doubt it will happen. Once a frame junkie, always a frame junkie, I guess.

Vic

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Vic,

What have you got your sliders set to?  I'm keen on trying your approach.

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On 10/14/2017 at 10:47 AM, virtualflying said:

In Toronto and in the PMDG 777, I get 22 FPS

Are you using FlyTampa?  Later you mentioned Heathrow, but is that Payware?  

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6 hours ago, vgbaron said:

High FPS does NOT equal smooth stutter free operation.

My point has nothing to do with smoothness or stutters.

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Carlos,

What was your point mate?

I can run P3Dv4 at less than 20FPS and it is as smooth as silk with no stutters. I do not think I am alone here. 22 FPS does NOT, in my opinion, equate to total loss of sensation or immersion.

Can you clarify what your point was please. This is a genuine enquiry and I am not trying to be nasty or contentious.

Regards

Tony

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11 minutes ago, himmelhorse said:

Carlos,

What was your point mate?

I can run P3Dv4 at less than 20FPS and it is as smooth as silk with no stutters. I do not think I am alone here. 22 FPS does NOT, in my opinion, equate to total loss of sensation or immersion.

Can you clarify what your point was please. This is a genuine enquiry and I am not trying to be nasty or contentious.

Regards

Tony

You're full of it man, 20 fps is NOT smooth.

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