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Best Monitor for P3D V4.1? Please help

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Hello Everyone,

I need some help on choosing the best monitor in market for P3D V4. Between a 4k and an ultrawide (21:9) with 1440p resolution, which would bring the best immersion and performance? I´m thinking of buying a 34" display with a refresh rate greater than 100Hz and G-sync technology (I have a GTX 1070). Is there any other spec that I should include in my search? Perhaps response time?

From my research I´ve learned that performance with a 4k resolution isn´t affected drastically since P3D´s engine is mostly CPU bound. Is this true? Will I see a lot of difference between 4k and 1440p? Does a 21:9 aspect ratio has big benefits over a 16:9 with regards to immersion? 

Please help...

 

My Rig:

ROG Maximus Hero VIII

i7 6700@4.6ghz

Nvidia GTX 1070

16Gb Ram

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Some things to bear in mind. A 34" 21:9 display is pretty small and the aspect ratio is skinny - hence you will probably need to use a head tracker for best effect. The upside is it has fewer pixels than the 4K, so performance will be better. A 34" 4K will have more dpi and a better aspect ratio but it's a lot of pixels so your performance may suffer. It's also small for a 4K - I'd go 40-55" if I was you.

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I use a 4K 32'' IPS Monitor. -> Brilliant colors, but not exactly cheap.

Do you play other stuff than P3D? If so, a 1070 is too weak for 4K. Also P3D has some very GPU heavy stuff like Overcast, MSAA/SSAA settings, Dynamic light... Hard choice for you here. I mean 4K is 4K and it is great! But also very taxing on the system.

 

But if you really go for 4K I would also go like @MarkDH with a bigger screen. This adds to the immersion! I have a 65'' 4K screen as TV and I always imagine how great it would be as my P3D monitor :-) But the wife will kill me if I move the PC to the living room.

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7 minutes ago, swiesma said:

But the wife will kill me if I move the PC to the living room.

A solution to keep you alive... A second one... 😌

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Just now, ms2 said:

A solution to keep you alive... A second one... 😌

This will kill my credit card :-)))

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I have a 37' ratio 16:9 1440p, this solution is for me very well because

  • 16:9  have on all aircrafts by the ratio a sight on gauges.
  • 1440p make the details clear and sharp but so don't spend vs 4k a lot of process graphics and cpu usages... 4k is well only for very large screen with a high level graphic card... Keep in mind, that is the dimension of the square of the dot you can see on your screen the important. With 1440p on 37' our eyes don't be able to feel the raster of the screen... So details feeling is fine.
  • to have a 1440p have a second advantage is the texture levels needed is the halt of a common screen (with 32bit for memories was important)
20 minutes ago, swiesma said:

This will kill my credit card :-)))

Mine is definitively dead ;-)))

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I have a 3440x1440 LG Ultrawide 34" 21:9 monitor and I couldn't be happier... definitely recommended.... a game changer..

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8 hours ago, swiesma said:

I use a 4K 32'' IPS Monitor. -> Brilliant colors, but not exactly cheap.

Do you play other stuff than P3D? If so, a 1070 is too weak for 4K. Also P3D has some very GPU heavy stuff like Overcast, MSAA/SSAA settings, Dynamic light... Hard choice for you here. I mean 4K is 4K and it is great! But also very taxing on the system.

 

But if you really go for 4K I would also go like @MarkDH with a bigger screen. This adds to the immersion! I have a 65'' 4K screen as TV and I always imagine how great it would be as my P3D monitor :-) But the wife will kill me if I move the PC to the living room.

Thank you so much for replying. I really won't be using the monitor for anything else than P3D. Last month I was trying to decide between buying a new monitor or going for the VR experience. Long story short, I ended up with an HTC Vive which can be a nice hardware for flying  VFR on ORBX´s sceneries (at least for now), but since I´m a real pilot most of the times I fly IFR on complex airplanes following checklists, reading charts, managing the FMS, etc and theses tasks are very hard to do while in VR. I guess I´ll stick to a monitor until VR gets better.

I guess your recommendation leaves me with 2 options: Keep my 1070 GPU and go for a 1440p or buy both a 4k and a new GPU (perhaps a 1080?). Since technology is changing almost on a monthly basis, I would really like to invest in something for the long term. Do you think I would stay behind if I go for the 1440p option? Remember, my only intention is to play P3D.

One last thing I forgot to tell, I have a new Samsung 40" 1080 TV which I could use for this purpose. Do you think it'll do the job until VR technology gets more advanced? Sure this option will save me a lot of money, but what about performance and immersion? Will I still enjoy a good immersion? 

Thank you very much

 

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12 hours ago, MarkDH said:

Some things to bear in mind. A 34" 21:9 display is pretty small and the aspect ratio is skinny - hence you will probably need to use a head tracker for best effect. The upside is it has fewer pixels than the 4K, so performance will be better. A 34" 4K will have more dpi and a better aspect ratio but it's a lot of pixels so your performance may suffer. It's also small for a 4K - I'd go 40-55" if I was you.

Thanks for your help. This information will definitely help narrow my search. I own a 40" 1080 Samsung TV that`s not being used in my home, do you think I could use that just for P3D? By doing so I will save a lot of money, but I really want to have a good immersion. Will a TV do the job?

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4 minutes ago, rcichella said:

Thanks for your help. This information will definitely help narrow my search. I own a 40" 1080 Samsung TV that`s not being used in my home, do you think I could use that just for P3D? By doing so I will save a lot of money, but I really want to have a good immersion. Will a TV do the job?

Yes, you could use it but it won't be great. At 40" it will be fuzzy - I have tried it myself and went back to my old 3 x 19" setup for a few more years because it was much sharper. This is a good tool for comparing screens. You will see that a 40" 1080p screen only has 50dpi, which isn't enough. Anything over about 90dpi will look good.

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10 hours ago, ms2 said:

I have a 37' ratio 16:9 1440p, this solution is for me very well because

  • 16:9  have on all aircrafts by the ratio a sight on gauges.
  • 1440p make the details clear and sharp but so don't spend vs 4k a lot of process graphics and cpu usages... 4k is well only for very large screen with a high level graphic card... Keep in mind, that is the dimension of the square of the dot you can see on your screen the important. With 1440p on 37' our eyes don't be able to feel the raster of the screen... So details feeling is fine.
  • to have a 1440p have a second advantage is the texture levels needed is the halt of a common screen (with 32bit for memories was important)

Mine is definitively dead ;-)))

Thank you very much. Should I be worried about refresh rates? How many Hz would you recommend for P3D alone?

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Can anybody tell if its worth buying a 144 Hz monitor for P3D? Even if the game isn`t taking advantage of this technology right now, will it be good to future-proof myself by buying such refresh rates? Or is 60Hz way enough for P3D? 

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54 minutes ago, rcichella said:

How many Hz would you recommend for P3D alone?

Mine screen is a 60Hz and I'm very satisfied with... Now I don't have knowledges about the ressources asked to the graficcard with more Hz... Is a question for specialists

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My 2 bobs worth.. go as big as you dare.

A 4K TV delivers crisp clear quality and allows refresh rates as low as 25hz resulting in smooth flying when frames are locked to the same. This also means the CPU and GPU can produce all the eye candy stuff we’ve all come to love and expect without demanding high FPS.

I have a 65in 4K Samsung and love it. Size does matter... 

Your GPU/CPU will also be a limiting factor so do your homework. I have an OC 4.6 CPU running a Titan Pascal GPU which copes very well on the big screen, almost everything maxed out and not one FPS drop with dynamic lighting enabled. (In a PMDG wagon)

I bought a 4K Pimax VR headset recently and I must say it’s where the futures headed. I’m absolutely thrilled with it particularly with Flyinside now working in P3DV4.1. I’ve up’d the Target Resolution within the FI ini and now I’ve got good image quality in the cockpit. I will add though my GPU is taking an absolute pounding now and nearly gets to 100% usage. I have needed to reduce some settings for VR. 😫

All boils down to what you want and what your partner allows.

ICE

 

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1 hour ago, Iceman2 said:

A 4K TV delivers crisp clear quality and allows refresh rates as low as 25hz resulting in smooth flying

 

52 minutes ago, SpiritFlyer said:

Have a 55 inch curved TV at 4K. Highly recommend it!

Gentlemen, I've been second year on an LG 34" 21:9 ultrawide monitor and enjoy it very much while simming and also when working (with three windows open at the same time).
But I have recently been working on 4K video edition, which got me trappped, as my monitor, as cool as it is, isn't 4K and I definitely need one.

Now both of you wrote 'TV'. So the final question is: to buy a 4K monitor or a 4K TV (maybe not as huge as yours as my desk space is a bit limited)?
Any significant difference behind this decision? Thanks a lot in advance for your replies.

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Hi Rafal,

Not sure I can evaluate  4K monitor since I do not have one. My local flight sim friends have them and like them, however they do enjoy coming over to my house and flying this machine!

I have a 55 inch 4K Samsung curved smart TV. I have it at 50 refresh rate and set 4K textures in P3Dv4. It runs smooth and fast with an overclocked GTX 1080 with 2700K at 5.0Ghz and 16G 2133 RAM

and use Track IR. Altogether it is the next best thing to advanced VR for as real as it gets.

Kind regards, 

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14 minutes ago, Rafal said:

Now both of you wrote 'TV'. So the final question is: to buy a 4K monitor or a 4K TV (maybe not as huge as yours as my desk space is a bit limited)?
Any significant difference behind this decision? Thanks a lot in advance for your replies.

I haven’t done the homework on knowing the difference between monitor and TV. So I’m only making this up, but I’m guessing the good thing with a monitor is you don’t get all the smart APP stuff that comes with a TV. 

One function that I found useful that comes with the TV is judder and motion blur reducer. This eliminates all stuttering with milky smooth results. (I did have to change the input setup to allow this functionality because setting the input to Computer greyed out this option)

Sorry I can’t be more help

Ice

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Thank you, gentlemen, I've got a lot of food for thought now before I make the final decision! :smile:

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On 16/10/2017 at 3:00 PM, MarkDH said:

You will see that a 40" 1080p screen only has 50dpi, which isn't enough. Anything over about 90dpi will look good.

Hello Mark,

I've narrowed my search based on the information you provided. According to your advice, any 2K monitor above 41" falls behind 90 DPI which means any bigger screen should be 4k resolution and with a maximum size of 49" which is where DPI drops to 89.91, am I correct? If I go lets say to 55" on 4k (which is the size you recommended on your first quote) DPI drops to 86, is that too low? How flexible is that 90 DPI reference? Perhaps 80 is a good number too?

One more thing, I'm a bit concerned about the benefits of monitors over TVs. The biggest 4k monitors I've seen so far with gaming features such as G-Sync Technology, IPS, refresh rates greater than 200Hz, IPS, 1-4ms response times, etc are around 40". On the other hand, I've found 4k TVs up to 60" with very similar prices but they lack the features mentioned above and Refresh rates are usually 60Hz or less. The question is, does P3D takes advantage of the gaming features? What about refresh rates? Is it worth having more than 60Hz?

Thank you very much again for your precious time.

Regards

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8 hours ago, rcichella said:

How flexible is that 90 DPI reference? Perhaps 80 is a good number too?

Don't take these numbers too slavishly, at the limits you will find room for subjectivity. For example, I currently run 32" TVs as my main display and that means about 69dpi. I have found this acceptable, although not as sharp as my old setup. As always, it's a compromise - a 3 x 32" display is still 25% fewer pixels than a single 4K display, so there are performance benefits.

Sorry, I can't answer your other questions.

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17 hours ago, rcichella said:

The question is, does P3D takes advantage of the gaming features?

G-Sync only works above 30 FPS so would probably be wasted on a monitor running P3D at 4k.

17 hours ago, rcichella said:

What about refresh rates? Is it worth having more than 60Hz?

Again for P3D, probably not. The high refresh rate monitors are really designed for first-person-shooter games with fast moving images - 60Hz (or even 30Hz) seems to work well for flight sims.

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On 10/23/2017 at 5:40 PM, rcichella said:

Hello Mark,

I've narrowed my search based on the information you provided. According to your advice, any 2K monitor above 41" falls behind 90 DPI which means any bigger screen should be 4k resolution and with a maximum size of 49" which is where DPI drops to 89.91, am I correct? If I go lets say to 55" on 4k (which is the size you recommended on your first quote) DPI drops to 86, is that too low? How flexible is that 90 DPI reference? Perhaps 80 is a good number too?

One more thing, I'm a bit concerned about the benefits of monitors over TVs. The biggest 4k monitors I've seen so far with gaming features such as G-Sync Technology, IPS, refresh rates greater than 200Hz, IPS, 1-4ms response times, etc are around 40". On the other hand, I've found 4k TVs up to 60" with very similar prices but they lack the features mentioned above and Refresh rates are usually 60Hz or less. The question is, does P3D takes advantage of the gaming features? What about refresh rates? Is it worth having more than 60Hz?

Thank you very much again for your precious time.

Regards

Hi There,

I was just reading this post with interest. Did you end up buying a 55" 4K TV? I currently X-Plane 11 on a 42" LG 1080P and have been happy. I recently upgraded my GPU to a 1080 TI and have been thinking about changing to a 50" or 55" 4K TV

Would like to hear your experience if you did go the 55" TV route

Regards

Richard

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On ‎2017‎-‎10‎-‎16 at 8:51 PM, SpiritFlyer said:

Hi Rafal,

Not sure I can evaluate  4K monitor since I do not have one. My local flight sim friends have them and like them, however they do enjoy coming over to my house and flying this machine!

I have a 55 inch 4K Samsung curved smart TV. I have it at 50 refresh rate and set 4K textures in P3Dv4. It runs smooth and fast with an overclocked GTX 1080 with 2700K at 5.0Ghz and 16G 2133 RAM

and use Track IR. Altogether it is the next best thing to advanced VR for as real as it gets.

Kind regards, 

Hi everyone,

Just noticed my typo, not that it may be critical to the conversation. My refresh rate is 60 (not 50), and smooth and stutter free in P3Dv4.

A big, high definition, 4K smart TV like the Samsung curved 55 inch is a wonderful addition that is equal to any setup I have experienced or seen. The only way I expect it could have been improved would be if I had waited for the 65 inch.

Oh well, I guess I will just have to suffer with second best! My imaginer is too weak to go back to something smaller. 

Go for it. There is no negative side that I can see, literally.

Kind regards,

Stephen

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