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I'd like to use ENVTEX skies dynamically through ASCA. So I installed ASCA and disabled everything but the skies. After that I installed the Full Dynamic there. Then I installed ENVTEX and disabled everything but the skies. I manually set the path to ASCA and set ASCA Integration to ENVTEX textures only.

And here is where the manual stops giving me the needed information... I do see the Install to sim button but the manual doesn't say if I have to select a specific sky or not... Right now the Sky shows Random but in the drop down menu I see 11 skies. (Is that all btw...?!) Do I have to select a certain sky or do I just have to click the Install to sim button? Will the 'ENVTEX textures only' ensure that ALL textures are copied into ASCA?

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Since I did this, this morning I can share your confusion.

Here you see what you get when set to Full Dynamics

asca.jpg

If you then click Settings >WX influence configuration you should see this. The list of ENVTEX sky textures as you see here and another page long 64 in total of ENVTEX
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Thanks! I clicked on the 'Install in sim' button without selecting anything (but after making sure ENVTEX textures only was enabled) and yes, after a restart of ASCA all those ENVTEX skies are in the list! And I also noticed all ASCA original skies are unticked for every WX profile so indeed the ENVTEX ones are used. Nice!

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17 minutes ago, J van E said:

Thanks! I clicked on the 'Install in sim' button without selecting anything (but after making sure ENVTEX textures only was enabled) and yes, after a restart of ASCA all those ENVTEX skies are in the list! And I also noticed all ASCA original skies are unticked for every WX profile so indeed the ENVTEX ones are used. Nice!

Glad your sorted J.

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2 minutes ago, GSalden said:

You will enjoy these clouds Jeroen.

ASCA+ENVTEX is just for Skies Gerard.

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So we now have 
1. Active Sky as the weather engine (but you could use REX Sky Force)
2. Active Sky Cloud Art for sky colours but see 3. below
3  Envtex for sky colour textures
4  Rex Sky Force for cloud models and textures

Also
REX Textures HD for Water / Runway
or Envtex for Water / Runway
and/ or PTA for third party preset
and/ or Rex SkyForce for PTA preset
or a single Envshade preset

No wonder people are confused!

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1 hour ago, J van E said:

Thanks! I clicked on the 'Install in sim' button without selecting anything (but after making sure ENVTEX textures only was enabled) and yes, after a restart of ASCA all those ENVTEX skies are in the list! And I also noticed all ASCA original skies are unticked for every WX profile so indeed the ENVTEX ones are used. Nice!

Would you  mind showing a screen shot of ASCA and ENVTEX skies where '...noticed all ASCA original skies are unticked for every WX profile so indeed the ENVTEX ones are used...'?

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OK,

I found what I was looking for...I wanted to see the various check marks (weather and geo profiles) when I clicked on a particular Envtex sky texture:

 

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1 hour ago, TonyD said:

So we now have 
1. Active Sky as the weather engine 
2. Active Sky Cloud Art for sky colours 
3  Envtex for sky colour textures
4  Rex Sky Force for cloud models and textures

Correct Tony.

I have also put it in my sig below.

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New P3D user confused about various sky/cloud/texture packages.

So I have installed P3D4.4 + ASP4 + ASCA + PTA

I load ASP4 before the sim - is that correct?

I notice that ASP4 fires up ASCA, and then hides it.

Questions:

1) Considering the above, is it therefore legitimate for the user to open ASCA and select various sky/cloud texture setups, even though ASP4 seems to want to take control of ASCA? (Does this require the sim to be closed?) If I set ASP4 to do real-world real-time weather, am I still allowed to select the ASCA setup I prefer, or does ASP4 now control all that as it is running?

2) I also have PTA with Mike's recommended preset in action. Does this interact with the above? If so, how?

3) If I am after the best realistic look and feel I can get, should I also be using EnvTex with the above? How does that fit in - what does it add? It seems like it is going to conflict with ASCA. If so, what is the right/best way to configure EnvTex?

4) Did I make good choices or should I have bought the REX equivalents? 🙂

So many complex things to get yer head around with all these various package.

Cheers

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So which is the best for sky textures, ASCA, REX or Envtex?. Also how do you achieve the most accurate skies that change by the minute. I would like to just let everything go automatic and be surprised whenever I start a flight. Oh yeah, there is also REX environment force that will be coming out to soon to confuse us all again 😉

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15 minutes ago, bosflo said:

So which is the best for sky textures, ASCA, REX or Envtex?. Also how do you achieve the most accurate skies that change by the minute. I would like to just let everything go automatic and be surprised whenever I start a flight. Oh yeah, there is also REX environment force that will be coming out to soon to confuse us all again 😉

The "best" is whichever combination YOU like.  I prefer ASCA/Envtex.  Try and decide,

@SledDriver

1)You setup ASCA selections first or after sim is started - ASP4 will change accoedingly

2) PTA tweaks specifc settings and can work with ASCA

3)ASCA/Envtex work fine together. The dev's of Envtex have a companion product Envshade which basically does what PTA does.

4) Your choices are just fine. As with any product there those that prefer a different one. 

Vic

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Thanks for the replies.

So if I add EnvTex to the mix, what do I let each package do? I read stuff regarding limiting what EnvTex can do when used with ASCA.

Are there some recommendations as to how to set them both up?

Cheers

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Envtex can be run and set and then closed. ASP4/ASCA run while sim is running.

To start - run envtex - accept defaults and apply

Run asp4 with defaults and asca. - In asca select global mode.

Then fly in different areas for a week and see how you like it.

There is no "one size fits all perfect setting" - you can crank up the resolution and layers if your system can handle it or tone them down and still get a fantastic experience.

IMHO, I want to spend less time tweaking and adjusting and more time flying. The clincher is simple - do you like what you see, is it accurate and can your system handle it.

Vic

 

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2 hours ago, SledDriver said:

Thanks for the replies.

So if I add EnvTex to the mix, what do I let each package do? I read stuff regarding limiting what EnvTex can do when used with ASCA.

Are there some recommendations as to how to set them both up?

Cheers

I agree with Vic -- don't get too caught up in constantly tweaking it.  Fly some, if you don't like what you see, change it.

I use ASP4 + ASCA and PTA.  I do not use Envtex.  I rarely change my settings in ASCA.  However, if I want to change something in ASCA, I start it up by itself, make the change and exit.  Then I start ASP4 and it will auto-start ASCA with my new preferences.  Same goes for PTA -- I rarely change presets.  Once I find something I like, I go with it.

My start order is ASP4 + ASCA, then P3D.

Actually I use batch files now, but that's a whole other can of worms :)

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4 hours ago, bosflo said:

So which is the best for sky textures, ASCA, REX or Envtex?. Also how do you achieve the most accurate skies that change by the minute. I would like to just let everything go automatic and be surprised whenever I start a flight. Oh yeah, there is also REX environment force that will be coming out to soon to confuse us all again 😉

I'm now thinking about uninstalling envtex because I already have ASCA, AS, and REX skyforce. I think I am overloaded!

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In my opinion, Envtex' sky textures are the most realistic of all. ASCA also has some nice textures, but some of them are unrealistic. I let ASCA inject sky textures from Envtex dynamically, which works well.

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After a year and trying all option I still think this is the best of all options.


1. Active Sky as the weather engine 
2. Active Sky Cloud Art ONLY for sky colours with...
3  Envtex for sky colour textures set to suit the region your flying. I think it called dynamic.
4  Rex Sky Force for cloud models with cloud structures I've not seen in anything else that looks so good., Soft stunning clouds that give a fantastic soft look to full overcast. 

5. The icing on the cake is Tomato shade with R&D preset with my own VC lighting and terrain lighting tweaks. Also, I have haze within the preset turned off. AS does the job fine.

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in order to get the dynamic sky of ENVTEX with ASCA, do i need to set ASCA to full dynamics or global auto ?

i feel like the sky is always the same colors.. 🙄

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23 minutes ago, lidorx7 said:

in order to get the dynamic sky of ENVTEX with ASCA, do i need to set ASCA to full dynamics or global auto ?

i feel like the sky is always the same colors.. 🙄

It doesn't make a difference whether you set ASCA to full dynamics or global automatic when it comes to sky colors (it only matters for cloud textures and structures). When you fly during daytime, there is not going to be that much variation, but when you fly during dawn/dusk, you should see different sky colors depending on day and region. However, make sure that in Envtex, you set to use Envtex sky textures only.

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1 minute ago, Afterburner said:

It doesn't make a difference whether you set ASCA to full dynamics or global automatic when it comes to sky colors (it only matters for cloud textures and structures). When you fly during daytime, there is not going to be that much variation, but when you fly during dawn/dusk, you should see different sky colors depending on day and region. However, make sure that in Envtex, you set to use Envtex sky textures only.

i think that is my problem. im flying most of the time during the same hour.. 13:00 PM..

 dusk make my sim stutter to death. do you know what can cause it?

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When you fly during dusk, what is your GPU load?  And what are your shadows settings?

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What's the best settings to have REX sky force for clouds, Active Sky for the weather, Envtex for sky colors. I am confused between ASCA and Envtex. because they seem to do the same thing. I would like to have the skies change where and when I am flying based on the weather conditions. Just trying to get a real as possible. Of course this will change when REX environment force comes out which should make all this easier 😉

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