I just bought FT 777. It's great:D I really like it. Model and textures are very good (yes;-) repaints are sweet). I was thinking about merge with PSS panel, but autothrottle doesn't work. FT panel is good enough for me so I'm happy anyway.So now I own 772ER, 772LR, and 773ER. Sweet:9

"I guess some would settle for anything."I would not say this is about settling for anything. There are not too many 777's to choose from. I pointed out in my mini review some of the plusses and minuses of this package and some of the plusses and shortcomings of competing products. The PSS is clearly a superior 777 in functionality but suffers in the flight dynamics and is harder on your computer. Meljet is a great model but has no virtual cockpit and no great freeware panel is available. Overland I don't have but have seen screenshots and the model looks excellent but I don't believe (correct me if I'm wrong) it has anything more than a basic panel and VC similar to the default 777. Feelthere's, is therefore somwhere in between. Below the PSS (which we knew since they clearly stated it was a "Fleet" package) but above the freeware offerings. Yes I think this could have been better especially the virtual cockpit and panel textures and I will have to do more flights before I judge it further with the FMC and systems functionality. It is not as bad as some say though and 35 dollars is not that much to pay in this day and age.Regards, Carlos

>The PSS is clearly a superior 777 in functionality but suffers>in the flight dynamics Carlos,Please elaborate on this. Thanks.Adam

What I mean is the PSS has more systems (although not all) modelled and more accurate procedures can be performed like the real aircraft than with the Feelthere version. The PSS 777 doesn't hand fly as well as the Feelthere. One reason for this is the performance FPS is not as good so it can be a little jerky sometimes especially in detailed airport or bad weather. This depends on your computer too though. Like I said, I am no real world 777 captain so this is just an opinion. I do like the PSS and fly it a lot. The feelthere just seems more fluid in turns and it feels more like a heavy aircraft should when being hand flown.Regards, Carlos

>The PSS is clearly a superior 777 in functionality but suffers>in the flight dynamics Quite clearly you didn't check the small print since FT used the services of Rob Young who did the FDE for the PSS777 v1.1

>The feelthere just seems more fluid>in turns and it feels more like a heavy aircraft should when>being hand flown.The real 777 does not act heavy in turns. Rob gave Feelthere and PSS renditions of 777 the heavy feel because otherwise the simmers would whine about it. Afterall, the simmers know better ;) Adam

Norman clearly it seems from the various comments here that people are still stuck on v1.0 of the PSS777. I have v1.1 and it's great. :-) Adam I adjusted my FDE to get a more realistic feel in turns with v1.1. I argued this point when people were harping on v1.0 of the 777. I wish every developer of hardcore products took the approach of Level-D who in so many words told everyone to stuff it, "that's how the real airplane flies" concerning the 767 (I think PMDG did the same thing with the 744 on many aspects of that design)...

I can live with each of those single details. What kills me, and kills me badly, is that there's no wing-flex. The Ac looks the same when taxing as when it is flying with full tanks, and unfortunately, unlike the meljet freeware (anyone has any idea when is he releasing the next version?) they are always as if the AC was on the ground. The final effect is that the wings are low when you fly it.Leo

I would say that the PSS does not hand fly well at all, I don't know why, it just feels stiff or glitchy. I love Rob Young's work, and so it's hard for me to believe he did that FDE, wow. I have a fast computer with plenty of firepower and a fast video card. It's not the system, because it runs FS9 without a problem including plenty of 3-party freeware and payware add-ons, bla-bla-bla. To me, it has always been about the handling, because on short final, in all except the worst weather conditions (I'm on APPROACH mode then) and not including replays, I'm not too concerned about how the aircraft looks on the outside.Alex ChristoffN562ZBaltimore, MD

From what I have read is that there's a bug with the wing flex. it is modelled, but won't function properly until SP1.

So are you saying their flight model after the update are the same. They still don't feel the same to me. Maybe has to do with as I said higher fps on the Feelthere. The PSS textures, guages, etc. are much more detailed (which is great) but leads to lower fps. Although they are acceptable (25 to 30) in good weather they can get low (12-14) with Active sky and many clouds which then creates stuttering. I can run it fine with the fair weather theme but kind of defeats the purpose of the weather radar.Regards, Carlos

Thank's for the input, Adam. I have heard this too especially on a discussion on the PMDG 747. The premise was that the heavy feel was all wrong and was done because that's what we expect it to feel like when it actually handles more responsively. Do you fly the T7 for real or just heard this like me? Was the original(PSS T7 version 1 FDE more accurate) as compares to the real plane and changed just to apease the "whiners"?Regards, Carlos

What I don't understand is this: why do folks waste their breath in this pointless thread, which basically flogs a dead horse, instead of just buying the PSS version, which, after the patch, flies just fine. Buy the base model, download the free liveries, and you'll have all the 777 you'll ever need. After perusing the included flight tutorial a few times, it'll take you no more than 20 minutes to be up in the air, with the majority of that time being spent waiting for the IRS to align. ricardo

Ricardo,Totally agree, even through my criticisms of the PSS offering, by comparison, there is no comparison.Especially when you compare them by price.Just wanted to add that:"...it'll take you no more than 20 minutes to be up in the air, with the majority of that time being spent waiting for the IRS to align."Even this can be avoided, as the PSS T7 can be configured to start engines running, everything initialized, or, has the option for quick or instant ADIRU alignment, for those that still wish to do most of the preflight.

Ricardo,s Rig:Case: THERMALTAKE|VA3000BWA RTMotherboard: ASUS A8N-SLI Deluxe NF4 RTLGraphics: 2 X GF 7800GTX 256-P2-N528-AXProcessor: AMD 64 |FX-57 ATHLON 64 939Memory: 2GB|DDR400 PC-3200 -K RETHarddrives: 2 X 250GB|HITC SATA 8MBSound: SOUND BLASTER|AUDIGY 2 ZS PCI RTLMonitor: VWSNC|19"LCD 8msDVI VP191BThat above is the point. I am sure the PSS 777 is silky smooth on that rig but not everyone has a computer like that. If you wan't the best definitely get the PSS if your computer can handle it. If it can't and you still want a 777 with a reasonably accurate FMC and autopilot and don't care that it doesn't have windshield wipers or perfect textures then the Feelthere fits the bill. I agree that it doesn't take that long to get these complex aircraft in the air once you get the hang of it. I started up and did a complete flight on the PSS T7 before I even read the manual. How? Well the systems, FMC and startup sequence aren't all that different from the PMDG 747 or Level D 767 which I have a lot of experience on. When I get a new aircraft I have to get it in the air even if just to do a quick hand fly to see what it feels like. Manuals come later. Once you learn one of the Boeings the other one are that much easier to learn. Yes, anybody can do it. You don't have to be a rocket, I mean airplane scientist.Regards, Carlos