I certainly did not want to #### you off, but I do get touchy when your fellow developer buddy bashes another product with pointless arguments about the quality of the textures by looking at tiny screenshots on a website and without even owning the product. My earlier posting about Project Airbus was merely an ironic response on the same level as his arguments.Good luck with it.

...or a Project Airbus add-on, which has been annouced quite some time ago and will probably never see the light of day. I think I'll pass and stick to the PMDG oneWell, pal, remind me exactly how much they are charging for the A320? Oh! thats right, not a cent!Where do you get off crapping on about how long it takes? While you're sitting on your butt writing replies in forums, people are taking their own time to work on projects. This time could be spent with loved ones, or friends, but yet they choose to donate their time to build something for free. What have you done for for for the community? Bugger all I bet. :-rollLittle wonder people are ditching freeware with people like you around the traps opening their mouths by way of their fingers.

Gee, I think I am gonna get this. Can it really be that bad? I have the Feelthere CRJ's, ERJ, Caravan, and 737Pic. In my book none of these qualify as bad products. As a matter of fact I think they are very good products. Now I am no real world airliner captain but I have enjoyed that same 737Pic and PSS 777 everyone seems to be claiming aren't any good. So I just might get this and see for myself. After all it's only 35 bucks which is not really any more than a steak dinner and I'm not really hungry right now. I am sure there will be an update to fix a lot of the bugs. I remember threads like these with people trashing the PMDG 744 when it came out too and now it is universally praised.Regards, Carlos

Boo hoo. Show me one freeware of the quality of a PSS/PMDG/FeelThere. Freeware developers develop add-ons, because of the fun for the hobby. Certainly not for recognition or money. How many freeware add-ons have been widely announced only to never see the day of light?And there comes a freeware developer bashing a fellow payware developer saying that they'd rather stick to freeware without even owning the product and judging the product by merely looking at screenshots. Well, buddy, I can do the same and freak him out with the same pointless aruments. Apparently it worked. And that was my counter-argument about the A320 "Project Airbus" - pointless.I really don't get that people open up their mouth and "review" a product that has been on the market a few day without even owning it, but crying "oh lord, i stick to freeware". That's all.Freeware developers have ticked me off for quite some time with their attitude that they should deserve eternal grateness for sacrificing their valuable time for us. I am a freeware developer as well, but I don't blast out my new project like it is the new edition of "sliced bread", but rather wait until it's done and then announce it to the "world". I do the project primarily for myself, because noone else has ever thought about developing something similar and i want to fill the gap (primarily for myself). If it works for someone else, great. If it doesn't work out, I don't need to find any arguments "i am busy, i got divorced, i lost my job" to soothe the angry mob, but rather won't publish it.You have a few excellent freeware developers like Ken Mitchell, koorbygen, IFDG, etc. who do it for the love of the hobby, know how to shut their mouth and deliver excellent add-ons that seem to come out of nowhere. And you have others who do it only to gain recognition that they apparently don't have in real life. What was his name again who posted a few weeks ago and cried out loudly (and most embarassingly, publicly) that he quit, because his mailbox is not constantly overflowing with praise?Ok, greatly off topic. My apologies. I won't post again, moderator. ;-)

Patrick,Please kindly shut up and apologise to the freeware developer. Thats all we ask!!

>Let's see,>3. Fuel being taken from tanks when pumps are switched offWow someone (developer) has really done their homework.I can assure you that the B707 (giving my age away :-) ) doesn't NEED the tank boost pumps ON to supply fuel to the engines and I doubt that there has been any change in Boeing design philosophy with the B777 so I think that the developer has got it right. :-)The boost pumps in the tanks are only to ensure a positive supply of fuel to the engine driven pumps under all conditions of flight. ie. ensure that there is no possibility of the engine driven pumps cavitating.Roger

So, because you work in freeware, you don't have the right to an opinion on a payware product? Come on! Get a grip. :-rollHow else are you supposed to judge a product if you can't on screenshots? Theres no demo, there are no refunds. Based on the screenshots I wouldn't purchase it either.

Point taken. Now we're getting somewhere. Now tell me EXACTLY what you don't like about them, because that would help a) the developer to improve the product and :( us to get an impression what's wrong with it.Don't you like the color composition? The resolution? The accuracy? Just saying "Don't like it, it's crap" is useless.I snorted earlier on Mr. Mango and he FINALLY came up with a list of issues, instead of the usual 'me no likey, crap' attitude. What if Avsim wrote any review, like this: "From judging at the screenshots, we have to conclude that it is an abysmal release." Some of them bad bugs, some of them certainly able to get fixed. I hope my little lesson about constructive criticism has helped to articulate yourself more what you exactly don't like about it.Besides, the topic title is "ANYONE PURCHASED THE 777?", so we're both outta here, because we both have not purchased it.

>Do you resize the textures in your project as well,blow them>up to from a 640x480 resolution to 1280x1024 and want me to>judge them? Probably not, because it would look pretty darn>ugly>I certainly did not want to #### you off, but I do get touchy>when your fellow developer buddy bashes another product with>pointless arguments about the quality of the textures pointless arguments about the quality of the textures? Getting touchy? - what's all this - some people don't bury their heads into to sand. When i buy payware I'd expect the product to match both the price expectation and what they have promised.Patrick, do you really expect when you say outrageous things like these that 'some' readers here who have spent 2 or 3 years working on a freeware release not to get ######? especially when you said>Freeware developers develop add-ons, because of the fun for the >hobby. well, how FUN is it to have some people saying some of the things that you've said?And is someone else who makes a valid judgement (at least to themselves) of any product based on the screenshots any less worthy than the opinions you have to offer?The point is if you're willing to pay for the product, then that's fine. Some people who own this 'product' have complained. Other people have complained about other products. At the end of the day the principles of Caveat Emptor still applies.>How many freeware add-ons have been widely announced only to never >see the day of light?And why are you bringing this in? what relevance does this have to the whole issue? Is this only restricted to freeware add-ons? I think if you do a bit of research, the answer is no. It happens to freeware, and it happens to payware.

> "Godforbid" you ever find an EICAS in an Airbus anyway....:-lolWell said but I fear your point went through to the catcher.. :-)Roger

Hi Patrick,Please read what I have to say in a completely open-minded manner.Everybody is entitled to his own opinions and his own views, as long as those opinions and views don't insult other people or hurt other people's feelings.Having said that, you are completely entitled to your own opinions and views. It's your attitude and way of talking to others which is the problem. What I mean is that many parts of your posts in this thread are actually quite inflammatory and insulting to other people who are participating in this thread. Calling other people "childish" is just one example. For one thing, you definitely could have said your point to Demetris about judging the Wilco/Feelthere 777 by its screenshots in a much more polite and nice manner. He NEVER insulted Wilco or Feelthere, he simply stated that he didn't think the Wilco/Feelthere 777 model looked good, and he didn't say it in an inflammatory manner. Why the heck do you get so riled up about such a small thing, when there so much more awful things to worry about in this world? Just watch the world news on any TV news channel and you'll see what I mean.And another thing: One thing which goes to show that you're saying a baseless accusation against Demetris and Project Airbus is that they only started to work on the A320 at around November 2005, which is of course very recent. And right now, look at how far they've come with their A320. They've only started to work on this A320 in late 2005, and you're actually claiming that they're too slow. Have you ever tried to develop a highly-detailed A320 model for FS2004 before, and a freeware model at that? Do you have any idea about how long it approximately takes to develop a highly-detailed A320 model for FS2004? Please try to show some respect to the kind fellows at Project Airbus.With all due respect, Patrick, behave yourself, and respect the other members of this forum.Regards,

>pointless arguments about the quality of the textures? Getting>touchy? - what's all this - some people don't bury their heads>into to sand. When i buy payware I'd expect the product to>match both the price expectation and what they have promised.Do you own it? What have they promised that you don't like. Be specific. Besides, who says that textures are the only deciding factor for purchasing an add-on. Do textures make a successful product? The most successful games in history (Civ, Elite) have horrible graphics, but probably the most complex and "fun" computer game on the market.>And is someone else who makes a valid judgement (at least to>themselves) of any product based on the screenshots any less>worthy than the opinions you have to offer?You call "it's crap, i don't like it" a valid judgement? I have yet to see ONE post in here that tells me exactly what someone does not like about the textures. Please enlighten me.>The point is if you're willing to pay for the product, then>that's fine. Some people who own this 'product' have>complained. Other people have complained about other products.>At the end of the day the principles of Caveat Emptor still>applies.Yes, and I am extremely grateful that one person came forward in this pool of nay-sayers that produced an itemized list of apparent issues.That is all that I have been asking: Tell me what you don't like about the FeelThere 777! I snapped at Mr. Project Airbus with the same pointless argument that he produced with his utter useless argument.I hope everyone has gotten the drift. /thread closed for me.

That's not what I said Chris, and you know it. Is it too much to ask for those avionics to work with external knobs and buttons? You live for realism and have benignly little interest in the fact that you are, when it comes to flight controls, no further "advanced" than any of us were 2 years ago. I'm not one of them, but some people are happy without the panels provided, which is why Project Magenta exists.....oh, but you must have over-looked that, your attention being occupied by the rotation of the turbine blades and such. Again, my only point is that it seems ridiculous to depend on a mouse and keyboard to interact with the software in question. Jeese...Alex ChristoffN562ZBaltimore, MD

Oh my god, someone else attempting to access the MCP without a mouse. Chris really.....:)Alex ChristoffN562ZBaltimore, MD

You haven't read the thread entirely. I said earlier that my previous post about Project Airbus was as pointless as Demetris saying "I wouldn't get the FeelThere 777, even if it was freeware." How insulting is that coming from to another developer who also wants to be respected? I directly replied with the same useless, yet provocative attitude as Demetris. I do expect some attitude control, especially when it comes from another developer, because he did not like either what I had to say - Even i was just kidding. The irony must have been lost between the lines. My apologies for that. The point was not accusing Project Airbus, but replying with the same attitude that he has presented earlier.Read back in the thread and Mr. Mango has accused me of not being in the right forum and sticking to default airplanes. After I snapped at him, he was finally able to produce a list of issues about the FeelThere 777. I snapped back because I just can't stand this early dismissal of a product by merely looking at screenshots, because it is really like judging a book by the cover, don't you agree? Did he check out the weather radar? Did he praise the flight dynamics? If we would have said that the textures look too pixely, that the colors are not correct or that it would be incorrectly modelled, I would have taken that as a valid point. No, he said: I don't like the textures, which, by the way are NOT representative for the product. I am still waiting of an exact response of what he would improve with the textures shown on the Wilco website. A texture might look completely different with a higher resolution.(Edited for typos)