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[25APR18] New Product Reveal at FlightSim Expo'18 - Las Vegas 09JUN18

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17 minutes ago, MatthewS said:

You're not being told where to fly to in GFO hence you should not be told where to start from!

I want everything GFO has to offer except being told where to start from.

I want to fly my own routes, eg YSSY to RPLL.

So please PMDG give me an option to "Move to Airport" after I "check out" a 747-400.

And why not do as in real life? Check out airports nearby that has the plane you are looking for, fly to YSSY, load the aircraft and fly to RPLL. Or don't use the product. If you have the move to airport function, you miss the basic purpose of it.

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8 minutes ago, hasse29 said:

And why not do as in real life? Check out airports nearby that has the plane you are looking for, fly to YSSY, load the aircraft and fly to RPLL. Or don't use the product. If you have the move to airport function, you miss the basic purpose of it.

I know it’s a matter of semantics, but in MatthewS’ defense, real life (imo) is not checking out airports that have a plane you are looking for.  

So in that since the software is already letting you choose options that would probably not happen in line flying.  

I don’t think there is enough information out for me to truly understand all of the capabilities of this new product line.  However, I am intrigued.  

 

 

 


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4 minutes ago, rcoultas said:

I know it’s a matter of semantics, but in MatthewS’ defense, real life (imo) is not checking out airports that have a plane you are looking for.  

So in that since the software is already letting you choose options that would probably not happen in line flying.  

I don’t think there is enough information out for me to truly understand all of the capabilities of this new product line.  However, I am intrigued.  

 

 

 

That's true, and that is the part I meant that I would like to be developed further. Put the airplane in schedules, like in real life. That would make it even more interesting.

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37 minutes ago, hasse29 said:

Put the airplane in schedules, like in real life. That would make it even more interesting.

This might be difficult to pull off. For starters, how do you get the plane into a schedule when you're already given the freedom to fly it anywhere you want once you already check it out. Second off, how do you get people to commit to a set schedule.

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4 hours ago, DavidP said:

A similar system was available to users of the original Aerowinx 747 back in the '90's.

Yes, “Flightline”, created by Jeroen Hoppenbrouwers. It was designed for the original Aerowinx PS-1. There has been some discussion on the Aerowinx board about bringing it back for PSX.

Flightline did allow pilots to leave a 747 at a specific airport to be passed on to a different pilot, with all systems and any failures carrying over, but it did not have any functionality beyond that. It appears that the new PMDG system will go far beyond simple sharing of aircraft situation files...

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2 hours ago, hasse29 said:

And why not do as in real life? Check out airports nearby that has the plane you are looking for, fly to YSSY, load the aircraft and fly to RPLL. Or don't use the product. If you have the move to airport function, you miss the basic purpose of it.

I don't have the time...

When I do have time, I want to load up P3D and fly the route I want (eg YSSY to RPLL) in the aircraft I want (eg 747-400).  If I can't do that then what's the point of paying for a GFO subscription?

Also, GFO is meant to support VAs.  VAs have scheduled flights. Will VAs be forced to only fly flights that are dictated by the availability of specific aircraft at specific airports?

Seems to me that if GFO is inflexible about allowing a user to "move" a plane to the desired airport then it will have a lot fewer users.

This is not the real world, we are not being paid $150K+ per year to captain aircraft where the routes are dictated by our employers.

I try and get in a P3D flight when time permits. What a "drag" if I can't do a flight because no aircraft are available at an airport I want to depart from...

 

 

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VA's will have their own fleet of aircraft. At least that's how I understood Robert during his speech.

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18 minutes ago, reubenjprevost said:

VA's will have their own fleet of aircraft. At least that's how I understood Robert during his speech.

And presumably only members of the VA can fly those aircraft.

So if the VA's users are flying planes that are not available to general users that means even less chance of finding a 747-400 at YSSY when I want to fly.

Seems to me moving a plane to your desired airport is absolutely required...  It might lack "continuity" in the flight history, but does it really matter?

GFO must not forsake user base for continuity.

IMHO of course.

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Create your own VA. I also think that Robert said that other users can fly VA planes, but it doesn't change anything from the VA's perspective. 


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25 minutes ago, reubenjprevost said:

Create your own VA. I also think that Robert said that other users can fly VA planes, but it doesn't change anything from the VA's perspective. 

So other users add to the "wear and tear" but the aircraft appears at the right departure airport for the VA?

Is this really any different to letting a non-VA user "move to airport" ?

Seems to me that if VAs are not forced to fly the aircraft from whatever airport it was left, then regular users should not have to either.

But I guess creating my own VA in GFO would work, if it means the aircraft can always be at the departure airport I want, but it sounds like a lot of hassle, maybe...  Isn't "move to airport" a lot simpler?

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5 hours ago, vin747 said:

10 years in the making.. Will carry all our products into the future.. Has never been unveiled in a flight sim event.. You don't think that's hype? 

Oh please, no one said that it has taken 10 years to do it. 


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1 hour ago, MatthewS said:

So other users add to the "wear and tear" but the aircraft appears at the right departure airport for the VA?

Is this really any different to letting a non-VA user "move to airport" ?

Seems to me that if VAs are not forced to fly the aircraft from whatever airport it was left, then regular users should not have to either.

But I guess creating my own VA in GFO would work, if it means the aircraft can always be at the departure airport I want, but it sounds like a lot of hassle, maybe...  Isn't "move to airport" a lot simpler?

VAs are forced to fly the a/c from the airport it was left... If it is flown by a member of the VA. If it is flown by someone outside of the VA, then it doesn't count from the VA's perspective. 


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1 hour ago, reubenjprevost said:

VAs are forced to fly the a/c from the airport it was left... If it is flown by a member of the VA. If it is flown by someone outside of the VA, then it doesn't count from the VA's perspective. 

Ok, if flown by a non-VA member does "wear and tear" accumulate, and does the cockpit get left in an "unknown" state by the last user?

I'm guessing it does not, in which case having my own 1 person VA will mean no "wear & tear" nor "unknown" cockpit state on the aircraft.

So that just leaves ACARS? 

You see? Your "create your own VA" solution to having the aircraft at my desired departure airport results in GFO being less appealing.

So, why not just let the non-VA user who "checks out" the aircraft then "move to Airport"?

I hope PMDG can consider this "move to airport" feature... without it I'm afraid the product won't be for me because I doubt I'll ever find a 747-400 at YSSY at the exact time I'm wanting to boot up P3D and go flying!

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To me the joys of flight simming are being able to fly what I want, where I want, when I want AND being able to choose my own level of realism. GFO would start to dictate facets of realism which I simply have no interest in and would likely increase my workload in return for a buzz that I'm not seeking. For those reasons, I am out.

It will be perfect for a great many simmers and is obviously hugely clever. It looks amazing and worthy of congratulations but it's just not for me.

How will they integrate ACARS into the Woodpigeon? Now that would be clever 😄

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3 minutes ago, BillC said:

fly what I want, where I want, when I want

+1...   so for heaven's sake PMDG please don't alienate users by forcing us to fly only from airports where we happen to find the aircraft we want to fly.

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