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Hi guys. Quick question. What size 4K TV/monitor should I get to see the gauges/displays of the PMDG NGX, for example,as close as possible to real life size?

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IHMO, go big or go home... in addition to screen size, 'life-size' depends on your VC zoom setting and eye location ([views] eyepoint) and viewing distance from the screen. With my settings, 58" is close to life-sized.

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I've been running a 55 inch 4k for about 3 years... to be honest, it's too big, and the bigger you go the less crisp things seem to look.  Then there is tilting your head back to look at things, etc.  I think that 40" to 43" is perfect.

Best wishes.

 

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9 minutes ago, DaveCT2003 said:

Then there is tilting your head back to look at things, etc. 

You mean like in real life! LOL

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IMHO the future here is VR, so I would not invest a big amount of money in monitors anymore.

Cheers, Ed

 

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2 hours ago, odourboy said:

You mean like in real life! LOL

No sir, should be quite obvious it's different when you're only 18 to 24 inches away from a monitor.  Get it now?

 

 

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1 hour ago, edpatino said:

IMHO the future here is VR, so I would not invest a big amount of money in monitors anymore.

Cheers, Ed

 

I tend to agree. A couple of months ago I tried a Samsung Odyssey for a few weeks. I ended up returning it because of the lower resolution (I presently use a 2K 34 inch UW wide monitor), but the experience of being in a full scale cockpit can't be beat. Maybe I'll wait to see what the Pimax 8K will bring.

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30 minutes ago, DaveCT2003 said:

No sir, should be quite obvious it's different when you're only 18 to 24 inches away from a monitor.  Get it now?

 

 

Nope. That's over my head.

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I bought a 49" Samsung QLED 6 Series 4K-3840 x 2160 native resolution TV for $982 CDN yesterday, down from $1499 and followed Rob's setup as per his pinned post at the top.  I was amazed at the crispness and marveled at how smooth the sim felt, completely different experience that I had with a 40" HDTV with 1920 x 1080 native resolution.  

Make sure that you get a UHD TV with 3840 x 2160 native resolution if you are going that route.

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1 hour ago, HUSSAR said:

Make sure that you get a UHD TV with 3840 x 2160 native resolution if you are going that route.

What video card are you using? I'm thinking going with something similar.

Thanks - Martin

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With my 4k experience is to give it as much card as you can because it needs it a 1080ti does the trick quite well for me. The next generation should be even better for 4K. also I run a 40" HGTV. If you want full size 55" is about perfect.  Josh

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Thanks Josh, I suspected my GTX 970 wouldn't cut it.

Cheers

Martin

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I had a 980 and it kept up, but it was close. I later upgraded to a 1080ti and it takes it in stride.

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On 6/18/2018 at 8:13 PM, DaveCT2003 said:

I've been running a 55 inch 4k for about 3 years... to be honest, it's too big, and the bigger you go the less crisp things seem to look.  Then there is tilting your head back to look at things, etc.  I think that 40" to 43" is perfect.

Hi Dave. I’ve been giving some thought to UHD displays. Originally I was going to substitute my Sony 32” 1920*1080 TV for a BenQ 32” UHD monitor but the price is enormous. Around 800UKP.

Those monitors are really for critical colour work for photographers but for simming I’m coming around to the idea that a decent quality UHD TV is fine. I’ve been pointed to the Samsung MU6700, a 40” display which critically has support for 4:4:4 which makes text very crisp. That’s essential when doing Windows maintenance etc. Rob alludes to this in his pinned topic above.

I’ll be sitting around 3-4ft from the display and feel a 40” would be just about right. So your comment was especially welcome. The larger screens would make you look up more and that could be a neck problem for some.

How do you find the sound TVs compared to separate speakers and a sub? I’d need to clear the desk and I suspect the speakers &sub would have to go.

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46 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

Hi Dave. I’ve been giving some thought to UHD displays. Originally I was going to substitute my Sony 32” 1920*1080 TV for a BenQ 32” UHD monitor but the price is enormous. Around 800UKP.

Those monitors are really for critical colour work for photographers but for simming I’m coming around to the idea that a decent quality UHD TV is fine. I’ve been pointed to the Samsung MU6700, a 40” display which critically has support for 4:4:4 which makes text very crisp. That’s essential when doing Windows maintenance etc. Rob alludes to this in his pinned topic above.

I’ll be sitting around 3-4ft from the display and feel a 40” would be just about right. So your comment was especially welcome. The larger screens would make you look up more and that could be a neck problem for some.

How do you find the sound TVs compared to separate speakers and a sub? I’d need to clear the desk and I suspect the speakers &sub would have to go.

Good call my friend!  The sound quality of 4Ks is often pretty darned good, but I still prefer the sound of my Logitech Speakers as the woofer provides a much better base sound.

 

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3 minutes ago, DaveCT2003 said:

Good call my friend!  The sound quality of 4Ks is often pretty darned good, but I still prefer the sound of my Logitech Speakers as the woofer provides a much better base sound.

I suspect for space reasons the speakers will have to go, pity but not the end of the world compared to what I’ll be gaining. I can’t go mad with the sound anyway as I have neighbours on the other side of the wall. The sub needs the speakers to work.

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I have two 4K displays on my (largish) desk.  A Sony 49 inch UHD wich I use almost exclusively for P3D (and watching TV) plus a Phillips 40 inch 4K monitor that I use for everything else.  The TV is just too big and fuzzy (even at 4K & 4:4:4) for non simming PC stuff.  So if you have just one screen I wouldn't recommend a TV (at least not one larger than 40 inch)..

Bruceb

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I'm not going to argue with you guys ad you've made up your minds about what size is optimal for your simming pleasure but I will say that my 58" 4k Pani is absolutely sharp and clear and I do all kinds of detailed graphics oriented work with that screen in addition to simming. Further, every Sony set I've used directly connected to my PC with HDMI did some weird resolution downscaling which made it quite useless as a PC monitor. I suspect this some sort of anti video piracy thing Sony did. Only when I had an HDMI intermediary (a sound bar which sat between the PC and the Sony) did it work right. Possibly that's why your Sony looks poor Bruce? 

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21 hours ago, brucewtb said:

I have two 4K displays on my (largish) desk.  A Sony 49 inch UHD wich I use almost exclusively for P3D (and watching TV) plus a Phillips 40 inch 4K monitor that I use for everything else.  The TV is just too big and fuzzy (even at 4K & 4:4:4) for non simming PC stuff.  So if you have just one screen I wouldn't recommend a TV (at least not one larger than 40 inch)..

Bruceb

My 43" 4K Wasbi Monitor looks sharp! I do a lot of photo editing besides simming and gaming. + it's the perfect size for watching movies, etc.... Philips has a new 43", 4K HDR monitor that should be releasing any day now. I can't wait can't wait to get my hand on that ! What I really want is 8K HDR monitor in the 40ish size! 

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I borrowed an LG 38UC99 that runs at 3840x1600 (109 dpi). Because of the high pixel density I found it easy to turn down the AA AAF settings and still have a crisp display. Coming from an old 1920x1200 display (94 dpi) it looks amazing. I was afraid my GTX 970 would not handle it but the FPS rate loss is negligible - if at all. I also turned off VSync in P3DV4.

So much more immersive. I just need to find the money to actually buy one

Hope this helps 🙂

 

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It would be helpful if those with 40"+ displays said how far from the screen they sit. I sit around 3ft from my 32" 1920*1080 TV and will be sitting the same distance from a possible 40" UHD TV.

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2 hours ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

It would be helpful if those with 40"+ displays said how far from the screen they sit. I sit around 3ft from my 32" 1920*1080 TV and will be sitting the same distance from a possible 40" UHD TV.

I have a 40" 4k display and sit 36 inches from screen I also had glasses made for viewing from that distance(kind of like reading glasses). You will be fine. I'm will be going to Three 40" 4 k displays but need to wait for the next generation of video cards because a 1080ti cant run 3 displays in 4k very well. You will love the bigger display I'm also using a Samsung too.   Josh

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58" Screen, sitting 32" to 36" typically, zoom around 0.65 in VC (wide view) with TIR.

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Thanks Josh, that confirms the distance is about right.

@odourboy, that feels a little uncomfortable irrespective of the zoom factor. But I guess we're all different since you would continue with it were it uncomfortable.

What's the image quality like if you downscale to 1920*1080? I would need that for Concorde-X until a 64-bit version is available. Acceptable or not?

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