I thought this was very interesting. The video is slightly out of date, but that might make it even more relevant, as it shows how in a year, advertising and hype has made almost all of us buy into the sudden "need" to have 4k devices. 🤑

 

First person to go the full 18:36 gets the choccie fish!

I dug out one of my "old" 720P "HD" movies the other day.
Can't believe how cool we thought that was!

Second choccie fish goes to the first person who claims they can "see" 200fps... there's always one.

There is a third choccie fish, but that one can only get awarded when the thread is done to death 🙂

 

Thanks for that vid HiFlyer, makes perfect sense, I'm visually challenged so all this 4K stuff is lost on me, what the presenter says about the brain compensating where visuals fail is true in my experience, never known any different. Now if I could exclude those black floaty things which seem to float past my view and back that would be nice. Steroscopic 3D images are a complete waste of time for me at any resolution, glad that technology has been consigned to the clipping floor.
My friends and family have 4K TV's and the image looks to my vision (well as the presenter says) a soap opera effect (too crisp), this effect immediately makes me loose interest in the over-real onscreen visuals, I don't like it at all. I like the Old 1080p which sits more comfortably in my visual range, seems more in line with onscreen fantasy rather than reality.

Gaming and Flight simming, well 30FPS is just fine 1080p 1920x1080x32, seems fluid (smooth) enough for me.

Interesting video.

In any case, I've seen people on YT able to distinguish between 120 fps and 144 fps when playing fast-moving First Person Shooters. Of course, there are diminishing returns on higher and higher fps. The advent of VR finally demonstrated that very high fps (90 or more ideally) are needed to give the illlusion of a virtual reality.

And VR is also demonstrating that we actually need even more than 4K in that specific application.

 

I used to say all this stuff to people, and despite the fact that I train people in movie special effects and video editing and such, so one might reasonably assume I know what I'm talking about, I've long since learned that I might as well try flapping my arms to go to the Moon.

People are dazzled by marketing nonsense and insist they must have the latest bit of gear even when it will literally make no difference to them whatsoever. It's the same scenario when people see an advert for the latest shampoo or whatever, with whatever is the latest marketing flavour of the month ingredient added to it, or some preservative removed from it; they'll have to have that one because 'it's got jojoba oil in it' or because 'it doesn't contain parabens'. They don't even know what jojoba oil or parabens are, nor what they do or do not do, and they won't bother to find out either, they'll just believe it must be brilliant and that they must have it, because an advert said so.

Edited August 7, 20187 yr by Chock

Well, that was a very nice, entertaining, interesting and educating video! One thing though: we flight simmers usually don't sit far away from our screens as tv watchers do, so I suppose 4K is still interesting for us. When you are sitting 2 feet away from a monitor you do benefit of the smaller pixels. You also need less AA. And size of files isn't a problem at all like it is with movies on media. Still, I like my 1080 monitor and I also like how well it runs things compared to 4K, which is big benefit of that lower resolution. I never think 'O my, this looks pixelated', I never really notice the pixels, but well, maybe I will change my mind when I play Aerofly FS 2 on a 4K monitor...? Then again, things might look more real when they aren't utterly sharp...

I am thinking about getting a new monitor but I still don't know if I will be getting a larger 1080 one or a larger 4K one... I prefer the performance of 1080 but might like the look of 4K more, sitting up close all the time, regardless of what this guy is saying.

Entertaining, and next time I'm shopping for a TV I'll keep this in mind. But when shopping for a gaming monitor, give me 4K or give me death.😎

One significant advantage to using a 4K monitor in P3D version 4x is that it allows you to use a very low anti-aliasing setting, which improves overall sim performance. My VC and scenery graphics look great using only 2 x MSAA, which has far less performance impact than any of the SSAA AA that a smaller monitor resolution might require to look good.

 

When making my own system, I contemplated the performance hit vs the unproven advantages of running our current sims in 4K, and compromised with a very nice 2K monitor that I remain very happy with.

I can't tell the difference between 1280 x 720 and 1980 x1080 thank God 😁

The monitor I use compares favorably to, if not surpasses (no wires) the high performance CRT monitors I used back in the day ......and that says a lot, for you viewers younger than 45.

Edited August 7, 20187 yr by FunknNasty

10 minutes ago, FunknNasty said:

The monitor I use compares favorably to, if not surpasses (no wires) than the high performance CRT monitors I used back in the day ......and that says a lot, for you viewers younger than 45.

Of course, CRT's had the nice advantage that there was essentially no native resolution, and they didnt go all fuzzy if you changed things..... Though they did have a range beyond which they would just give you a black screen, or something.

Also, colors did not change as you moved your head. I brought an ISP monitor specifically to avoid that, but there is a cost premium for fast response time 2k or 4K 165hz ISP desktop monitors.

18 minutes ago, HiFlyer said:

.... but there is a cost premium for fast response time 2k or 4K 165hz ISP desktop monitors.

There is, but worth every penny.

Edited August 7, 20187 yr by FunknNasty

2 hours ago, HiFlyer said:

... performance hit vs the unproven advantages of running our current sims in 4K...

Unproven to you... completely justified to many, including me. Image quality alone makes the 4K choice a no-brainer.

Why do I need the unproven advantages of two eyes when I can see perfectly fine with one... said the Cyclops. 

Edited August 7, 20187 yr by odourboy

15 hours ago, HiFlyer said:

I thought this was very interesting. The video is slightly out of date, but that might make it even more relevant, as it shows how in a year, advertising and hype has made almost all of us buy into the sudden "need" to have 4k devices. 🤑

 

 

Sure, for viewing TV or movies I couldn't agree more.

My concern is that someone might think this applies to games and flight sim, where the true benefit is increased performance because the native 4K resolution means that you don't have to use AA.

Since moving to 4K FOR MY SIM, I just couldn't be happier!

MY SIM

 

Best wishes to everyone.