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Observations with 7.42.

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Tried out a relatively simple VFR flight from an uncontrolled airport to a Class C airport. I did not notice anything different.

VoxATC still seems to have trouble with fsAerodata. For example: the Unicom frequency and CATF frequency for the airport are both 122.8. The Unicom frequency worked correctly, as did the FSS frequency for opening my flight plan. The CATF, However was 135.475. This is apparently a default frequency in VoxATC similar to 122.2 for Utopia Radio. 

I was handed off to Madison Approach on the correct frequency well outside of the 20 mile limit (earlier than a pilot would do it in real life). Listening to ATIS is still not required prior to the handoff nor is reporting your position, only your altitude (It is in real life). I was simply told to report the airfield in sight. When I did this I was handed off to the tower, again, on the correct frequency. I was given a sensible Right Base for landing on Runway 36 pattern entry instruction. I did have to make a slight adjustment to leave room for a Beechcraft landing in front of me, received clearance to land as I was making my turn on final. Was given a sensible exit right command, and was handed off to ground on the correct frequency. Taxi instructions were also sensible (and prevented 2 conflicts with other aircraft). frequency change to FSS to close the flight plan was also on the correct frequency. There may be some slight improvement in AI handling. It would be nice if the discrepancies from real life procedures I described were fixed, but overall, I considered this a very smooth flight. Tonight I’ll try reversing the route and see what it’s like to land at an uncontrolled airport. 

I would be curious to hear about the experiences of others. 

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I did the reverse trip tonight. Flew from Madison, WI to West Bend, WI VFR, but in IFR conditions, just to keep it interesting. Clearance, Ground, FSS, Tower, Departure all worked well. The same issue with VFR flights into uncontrolled airports still exists. Milwaukee Approach told me to report airfield in sight. After I did this (It wasn't because of the cloud coverage) I received no more prompts. I was able to raise West Bend Unicom on 122.8. CTAF was still 135.475. Thanks to fsAerodata, ILS functioned properly, I broke through the clouds at 400ft AGL, landed, and was able to contact Green Bay Radio on 122.1 (Correct frequency) and close my flight plan. I saw no difference compared with how it was functioning before the update.

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My experience is the same as yours. None of the bugs I experience seem to have been fixed. Performance seems to be improved but I have no objective measurement to stand on.

 

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4 hours ago, 503Kento said:

My experience is the same as yours. None of the bugs I experience seem to have been fixed. Performance seems to be improved but I have no objective measurement to stand on.

 

perhapd it would be useful for us to have a new thread just to list 7.42 bugs?

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Probably a reasonable idea, I don’t have any that have not already been reported. 

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Very disappointed that the issue regarding VFR into uncontrolled fields hasn't been fixed.  It was reported over one year ago,  I just reported it to Tegwyn - AGAIN

I haven't noticed any other differences compared to 7,41

Jay

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What about the Ultimate Traffic Live Bridge they have not announced about it?!

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53 minutes ago, Jellybaby said:

What about the Ultimate Traffic Live Bridge they have not announced about it?!

My understanding is that any obstacle here is with UT not vox...will people stop moaning about this please, if its not going to get fixed anytime soon why not just use another AI package? - theyre not expensive....

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Hi

to be fair, as much as I want to see updates to various bugs Tegwyn actually never stated anything else than improved AI schedules in the latest 7.42 release so no wonder Mad_Mac does not see any improvements with FSAerodata support, improved VFR and so on.

Mike

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It's not about "improved VFR".  VFR flight in to uncontrolled fields worked fine up until v7, so something got broken and was never fixed.  I reported it to Tegwyn nearly 2 years ago, when beta7 was released and he never addressed it.  Not asking for any improvement, just that it works the way it used to.

Jay

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43 minutes ago, jaybird1nyc said:

It's not about "improved VFR".  VFR flight in to uncontrolled fields worked fine up until v7, so something got broken and was never fixed.  I reported it to Tegwyn nearly 2 years ago, when beta7 was released and he never addressed it.  Not asking for any improvement, just that it works the way it used to.

Jay

Can you give me a generic description of how it used to work and what you see now so I can try to replicate any problem please? Cheers k

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Hi Kevin,

I can absolutely tell you how it used to work.  Now, we are only referring to VFR flights into uncontrolled fields. VFR flights into towered fields works fine.

Ok, so, you takeoff from your departure field, controlled or uncontrolled, doesn't matter. Soon after you are prompted to switch to a departure or some other interim frequency. There you report your position and altitude and request traffic advisories. You are then given a squawk code and given traffic advisories as needed enroute.  As you near your destination you are prompted to switch to the appropriate approach controller. Soon after you are prompted to "Report airfield in sight". When you do so, there is no further contact from Vox, only traffic advisories. Now, what should happen, and what USED to happen prior to v7 is that when you report airfield in sight is that you were prompted to switch to advisory (CTAF) frequency. You then asked unicom for field advisory and then were given prompts to 1.Report downwind, 2.Report Base, 3.Report Final, 4.Report clear of runway. (Possibly report going around, but not sure)

That's how it used to work. Without that final handoff to the CTAF there's no way to properly complete a VFR flight into a non-towered field. I reported this behavior to Tegwyn nearly 2 years ago.

Hope this helps.

Best,

Jay

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6 hours ago, kevinfirth said:

My understanding is that any obstacle here is with UT not vox...will people stop moaning about this please, if its not going to get fixed anytime soon why not just use another AI package? - theyre not expensive.... 

Why not use another ATC package??

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Even AIFP just got around to adding the  importing and exporting of UTL flightplans. UTL was in some kind of extended beta for a long time and its market penetration is still somewhat limited. It probably doesn't pay for freeware and small developers to try to reverse engineer the proprietary UTL database structure as a top priority.

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31 minutes ago, tjrush said:

Why not use another ATC package??

Feel free if that's your choice, find a way of getting what you need, just dont moan about it.  :) 

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Hi, UTL or not, asside from aircrafts, this addon alone is on the pricey side of the addons for the sim. Granted, it is brilliant when it works and might be just worth the money when it does, but more often then not we are left frustrated - v7 is in a half finished state. It is in alpha state of release only it isn't, it has been fully released. And that is going on for more than a year now. Users, who bought the addon (not just tried it for a limited amount of time) are very stoic about it. Hey nice of us, however this does not mean we believe we have got what we had paid for. And this is a second version bought (v6: 60eur! + v7:35eur discounted=95 eur!). v6 was very decent, v7 is not. UTL bridge was anounced by the developer himself if i remember correctly (and I prefer the  injection of traffic the way UTL does it, without writing additional hundreds of files in world directory and most importantly it is an install and forget thing). VFR bug is there from the beginning. Choose Proceedure Pronunciation Editor and see what happens: nothing. Etc. Of course I could buy other addons, but I have invested in this one and want this one to finally work. When I get a one liner of fixed bugs and added features after a year I would prefer not to get an update at all, it feels like someone is mocking us. Such a minor fix does not even deserve an itteration number, the fifth decimal maybe. I'll take it all back if 7.43 comes out in a week with all major issues fixed, but even that would be half a year too late to not leave a bad aftertaste.

Matt

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15 hours ago, kevinfirth said:

My understanding is that any obstacle here is with UT not vox...will people stop moaning about this please, if its not going to get fixed anytime soon why not just use another AI package? - theyre not expensive....

What kind of AI package you use 

i am looking for schedule airline package and how will interact with VoxATC 

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14 minutes ago, Jellybaby said:

What kind of AI package you use 

i am looking for schedule airline package and how will interact with VoxATC 

I am using Traffic Global from JustFlight at the moment.  

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1 hour ago, kevinfirth said:

I am using Traffic Global from JustFlight at the moment.  

Is Traffic Global interact with VoxATC can i hear to the Traffic generated by traffic Global in the communications 

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But have anyone tried the only addition to 7.42, the AI Schedule improvements? I have not had the time yet but it sounds like a big thing to me if it does what it clames, generate real Schedules rather than just AI based on some logoritm that I never undertood :)

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Previous versions of the VOXATC Indexer scanned all your AI traffic BGL files and used a sample at one time of day for each airport.  This gave you the correct routes and airlines at each airport. The flight numbers were synthetic made up of a three character airline code and a random three digit flight number.

The new Indexer gives you the exact schedules that are contained in the BGL files. The flight numbers are also the same as in the BGL files. I haven't tested it fully yet but VOXATC does seem to match up with AIG flightplans. I am seeing less airline traffic at smaller regional airports at certain times of day, but that is realistic.

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21 hours ago, kevinfirth said:

Can you give me a generic description of how it used to work and what you see now so I can try to replicate any problem please? Cheers k

Just to add to what Jay said, which was quite accurate, after parking, you also used to be prompted to contact FSS to close your flight plan. 

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On 10/5/2018 at 1:00 PM, Mad_Mac said:

The CTAF, However was 135.475

I'm getting closer to figuring this out. This is a frequency known as "SafetyCom" used in the UK when a common traffic advisory frequency is in use at aerodromes that do not have a specific frequency assigned. In the UK it is currently 135.475 MHz. In Canada it is 123.2. You can read more about it here:

https://www.skybrary.aero/index.php/Uncontrolled_Aerodromes_-_Communications

For some reason, VOXATC isn't reading the CTAF frequencies correctly for non-towered airports. That we already knew. I'll poke around some more, as I'm not sure whether it's either something in fsaerodata or something in VOXATC.

 

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13 hours ago, jabloomf1230 said:

I'm getting closer to figuring this out. This is a frequency known as "SafetyCom" used in the UK when a common traffic advisory frequency is in use at aerodromes that do not have a specific frequency assigned. In the UK it is currently 135.475 MHz. In Canada it is 123.2. You can read more about it here:

https://www.skybrary.aero/index.php/Uncontrolled_Aerodromes_-_Communications

For some reason, VOXATC isn't reading the CTAF frequencies correctly for non-towered airports. That we already knew. I'll poke around some more, as I'm not sure whether it's either something in fsaerodata or something in VOXATC.

 

Thanks for looking into this. I suspect it is triggered by fsAerodata, as VoxATC works correctly when I disable fsAerodata. José from fsAerodata was very responsive when I reported it to him. He said he has attempted to collaborate with Tegwyn. I’m sure we can all imagine how that went.  

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I've looked at a bunch of airports  with ADE and I don't see how fsaerodata could be causing this, but I believe you, since I never saw this issue prior to using fsaerodata either. Didn't José add 122.80 as a unicom frequency to every airport that was missing a unicom frequency? Have you tried creating a version of West Bend, WI (KETB) without the unicom frequency and then check to see what happens? It almost seems like for non-towered airports, VOXATC assumes that if a CTAF frequency is present, it is also used for unicom. And when a unicom frequency exists, VOXATC assumes that it i used for CTAF also. But if both exist, then VOXATC gets confused and uses the safetycom fallback frequency for CTAF.

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