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Ultimate Traffic Live with ICAO change

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Hi guys,

For those of you who are using Ultimate Traffic Live - I was wondering if there's any solution to this particular problem: in South Africa, Johannesburg International was renamed to OR Tambo international a few years ago. The ICAO also changed from FAJS to FAOR. In addition to this, FADN (Durban International) was closed and a new airport FALE (King Shaka International) was opened nearby.

UTL doesn't see either of these two airports, however. P3D natively still seems them as FAJS and FADN, but if you install payware airports it changes the ICAO codes within P3D correctly to FAOR and FALE, respectively. However, if you go to FAOR, it's completely empty - because UTL still thinks traffic should depart from / land at FAJS, instead of FAOR.

With the lack of a powerpack, is there any way at all to fix this? FADN/FALE might be trickier since it's a completely new airport, but if I can at least get FAJS renamed to FAOR within UTL it will at least give me a major hub airport's traffic back.

 

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No it won't because the schedules of UTL will still send the planes to the airports with old codes.

Edit: and this applies also to the stock P3D traffic because this schedules also has the old codes. AI traffic at new airports will only then arrive when you also alter the schedules.

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The schedule data they have uses iata not ICAO codes. 

For example JNB is FAOR and JNB was also FAJS. 

Same with Durban.  

All they have done is imported last summers sabre / gds schedules. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, tooting said:

The schedule data they have uses iata not ICAO codes. 

For example JNB is FAOR and JNB was also FAJS. 

Same with Durban.  

All they have done is imported last summers sabre / gds schedules. 

 

 

I've noticed that the flightboard still shows Johannesburg traffic when I'm in FAOR, yes - which is great. However, the situation on the ground doesn't reflect what the flight board says at all. Reason being, FAOR is completely devoid of any AI traffic. When I go to FACT, it works fine and has upwards of 10 aircraft (which is normal for a small airport like that), but in FAOR there should be 30+, not zero. The only AI i see in FAOR are 1 or 2 planes 20nm out with nothing parked at all.

Any ideas?

 

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2 hours ago, JoeFackel said:

No it won't because the schedules of UTL will still send the planes to the airports with old codes. ...

Another proof of improper use of "live" in the product title.

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2 minutes ago, Nemo said:

Another proof of improper use of "live" in the product title.

Or wrong assumptions 😉

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10 minutes ago, JoeFackel said:

Or wrong assumptions 😉

Well, considering that FAJS changed to FAOR in 2013, and FADN was replaced by FALE in 2010... I don't think it'd be unreasonable to expect that they're renamed properly in any schedules, really. Seeing as the schedules containing FAJS has to be at least 6 years old by now.... ouch.

However, not the point of this thread :) I've accepted that it's not in there, so be it - but I'm hoping there's a way to get it to at least *somewhat* work.

 

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1 hour ago, aktorsyl said:

Well, considering that FAJS changed to FAOR in 2013, and FADN was replaced by FALE in 2010... I don't think it'd be unreasonable to expect that they're renamed properly in any schedules, really. Seeing as the schedules containing FAJS has to be at least 6 years old by now.... ouch.

Take a look from the other side: whats with the peole which has no 3rd party airports and relay on the stock airports? If UTL is updated with new schedules they will loose their AI traffic in favor of addon users.

Theres no joy without sorrow 😉

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4 minutes ago, JoeFackel said:

Take a look from the other side: whats with the peole which has no 3rd party airports and relay on the stock airports? If UTL is updated with new schedules they will loose their AI traffic in favor of addon users.

Theres no joy without sorrow 😉

Hahah indeed. Maybe if we could edit the files somehow. I tried editing all the xml's and txt's in the AppData folder to replace FAJS with FAOR, but that just broke everything. Reverted it back to stock for now. If the schedules are using IATA codes then they should be fine (since the IATA is still just JNB), just not sure why the airport's empty - the parking positions haven't changed between FAJS and FAOR except for a few new ones in GA.

 

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Just a thought here... You could try the UT Live forums, perhaps someone there has had the same or a similar issue, and knows of a workaround. Might be worth a try...

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2 hours ago, aktorsyl said:

I've noticed that the flightboard still shows Johannesburg traffic when I'm in FAOR, yes - which is great. However, the situation on the ground doesn't reflect what the flight board says at all. Reason being, FAOR is completely devoid of any AI traffic. When I go to FACT, it works fine and has upwards of 10 aircraft (which is normal for a small airport like that), but in FAOR there should be 30+, not zero. The only AI i see in FAOR are 1 or 2 planes 20nm out with nothing parked at all.

Any ideas?

 

 

Go in the information.xml (I believe under Appdata) and look for FAOR. There you will probably find: hasParking = False. Change it to hasParking = True and you should be fine. That's how I activated traffic on quite a few airports, that don't exist in the default database (i.e. VTBS, UGTB, and others... ). I am sure it will be the same for FAOR

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2 hours ago, aktorsyl said:

Well, considering that FAJS changed to FAOR in 2013, and FADN was replaced by FALE in 2010... I don't think it'd be unreasonable to expect that they're renamed properly in any schedules, really. Seeing as the schedules containing FAJS has to be at least 6 years old by now.... ouch.

However, not the point of this thread :) I've accepted that it's not in there, so be it - but I'm hoping there's a way to get it to at least *somewhat* work.

 

I've been raising this issue since UT2 days, also now with UT Live. You will see my remarks in their forum. I never found a work around so have just lived without traffic at those locations. Strangely enough, I have recently installed Traffic Global (early access) and FAOR and FALE are populated with aircraft.

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46 minutes ago, officercrockey said:

 

Go in the information.xml (I believe under Appdata) and look for FAOR. There you will probably find: hasParking = False. Change it to hasParking = True and you should be fine. That's how I activated traffic on quite a few airports, that don't exist in the default database (i.e. VTBS, UGTB, and others... ). I am sure it will be the same for FAOR

Great stuff. Will try this sometime.

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7 minutes ago, Peter Webber said:

I've been raising this issue since UT2 days, also now with UT Live. You will see my remarks in their forum. I never found a work around so have just lived without traffic at those locations. Strangely enough, I have recently installed Traffic Global (early access) and FAOR and FALE are populated with aircraft.

I've actually been looking into TG, but wasn't too sure if it's a good idea. As far as I know it uses bgls instead of injection (as UTL does), so doesn't performance take a hit?

PS: Does TG have Kulula, Mango and Safair?

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2 hours ago, aktorsyl said:

I've actually been looking into TG, but wasn't too sure if it's a good idea. As far as I know it uses bgls instead of injection (as UTL does), so doesn't performance take a hit?

PS: Does TG have Kulula, Mango and Safair?

Has Mango, SAA, BA. No Safair or Kulula. But at least I see FAOR, FALE populated. Haven't had time to check further into it but no performance hit noticed. The only difference is to set the air traffic sliders within P3D.

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4 hours ago, officercrockey said:

 

Go in the information.xml (I believe under Appdata) and look for FAOR. There you will probably find: hasParking = False. Change it to hasParking = True and you should be fine. That's how I activated traffic on quite a few airports, that don't exist in the default database (i.e. VTBS, UGTB, and others... ). I am sure it will be the same for FAOR

Unfortunately FAJS does seem to have parking enabled, so it's not that easy of a fix 😞  Seems the issue must be with the ICAO, then (FAJS vs FAOR). Again, though, changing FAJS to FAOR in all the xml files just causes UTL to go into a loop and crash when you start a flight. Suspect it's because the schedule files (which we cannot edit) contains FAJS and it gets all upset when it doesn't find FAJS in the xml's.

   <airport_information>
      <iata>JNB</iata>
      <icao>FAJS</icao>
      <name>Johannesburg Intl</name>
      <city>Johannesburg</city>
      <state />
      <country>South Africa</country>
      <iso>ZAF</iso>
      <location_name>Johannesburg, South Africa</location_name>
      <isoTZ>Africa/Johannesburg</isoTZ>
      <hasIntl>true</hasIntl>
      <isLarge>true</isLarge>
      <rank>3</rank>
      <loc>
        <Lat>-26.1336945</Lat>
        <Lon>28.24231667</Lon>
      </loc>
      <alt>5558</alt>
      <hasParking>true</hasParking>
      <parkingPacked>25|6|0|13|26|11|0</parkingPacked>
      <smlDestinations>FAPN|FAWI</smlDestinations>
      <medDestinations>FABL|FAMN|FAPH|FASZ|FAUL|FBTP|FXMM</medDestinations>
      <lrgDestinations>FABL|FADN|FAEL|FAKM|FAPH|FAUL|FAUP|FBFT|FBMN|FQMA|FQVL|FVBU|FVWN|FXMM</lrgDestinations>
    </airport_information>

 

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I wouldn't try to CHANGE the airports in the .xml but instead to ADD them! Copy FAJS, add it at the bottom of the airports informations, change the data to FAOR etc. and try again.

And as always: first backup the .xml and use notepad++

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11 hours ago, Nemo said:

Another proof of improper use of "live" in the product title.

Is not live, the recent schedules they used as an update a few weeks ago are from summer 2018 which they have released in winter 2018-19, the  current season. 

Not only is it not 'live'  the winter update schedules are not winter either they are summer and some 4 months old if you take mid August, the busiest week of the year as a reference point. 

 

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11 hours ago, JoeFackel said:

Or wrong assumptions 😉

Explan how any aspect of the 'live tag line' is accurate please, just one please. 

I'll agree with dave yvr that Its the best out there, but there's nothing 'live' about it 

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30 minutes ago, tooting said:

Explan how any aspect of the 'live tag line' is accurate please, just one please. 

The problem is that some people readed something into this word "LIVE" that never was advertised as function.

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They also don't and never have advertised it as Live Traffic, it's written right in the product description.

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7 hours ago, Dave_YVR said:

They also don't and never have advertised it as Live Traffic, it's written right in the product description.

I think the point is being missed here. As the OP has mentioned, such as myself, he is choosing to fly outside of the more popular flight sim areas of the planet (US, UK, Europe, etc) and we are finding over the years that some products are simply not compatible with other areas in the world. I have been using UT2, and went to UT Live based on the advertised "real world AI flights worldwide" (notice the words "real" and "world"). Once again, MAJOR airports in southern Africa are completely devoid of traffic and flying into MAJOR hubs (FAOR, FALE) is similar to flying into a ghost town. Now understandably, this would not matter to the majority of users who choose to fly in the areas of the world where most of these products are designed for, but in other areas, they simply do not work. I really thought UT Live had "real world schedules". How can FAJS be real world? My sim is up to date with airports in southern Africa but I am penalized for taking the time and money to get my sim that way? I am not "knocking" the product! It's great that developers are active in our hobby. But I have been trying over the years to get the product to work "world wide". I have been on their forum with the same concern but it seems to fall on deaf ears (where was it advertised as live, etc, etc). We just want it to work world wide! not only in US, UK. In fact, the updated schedule "removed" more AI traffic from FACT. This is what I also experienced with UT2. So the bottom line is they should be providing "real world AI flights worlwide" as advertised and not schedules that are made to work with out of date simulators.

Regards.

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19 hours ago, JoeFackel said:

Take a look from the other side: whats with the peole which has no 3rd party airports and relay on the stock airports? If UTL is updated with new schedules they will loose their AI traffic in favor of addon users.

Theres no joy without sorrow 😉

I humbly disagree. If you mainly fly in European airspace than this probably would not really affect you. I purchased the product due to "real world AI flights worldwide". So those with stock airports should understand the product will not work with any out of date scenery. And the powerpack should then allow those with stock airports to modify the utility to be able to be used with old scenery, not the other way around. We need to move on. Not be trapped in 2006. It's the "real world AI flights world wide" that got me hooked! Only to be disappointed once again.

 

Regards.

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