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MoBo Advice Please.......Asus ASUS PRIME Intel Z390-P 9th Ge

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Have the 9th Generation Intel i7-8086k, MSI GTX 1080Ti and am contemplating a motherboard for it. I'd like to seek advice/opinions/suggestions,et al, here from fellow experienced hardware-orientated simmers

I have ruled out anything that carries the name Gigabyte, so please do not even mention it to me, please. After their diabolical support with replacing a goofed GPU, in Ca., of all places, I will not touch any of their products with a barge-pole!

Have read up on the Asus Prime Z390 9th Generation, as it has PS/2 rear connectors which is what I want. Asides from the niceties of how this or any other motherboard performs, at the end of the day, what is this motherboard's good/better features? Can the CPU be either air-cooled or water-cooled? Can it hold a good steady o/c like my current Asus Z-87-A has done with an i5-4670k o/c'd, air-cooled, for years now?

Thanks for the advice/opinions/suggestions I hope I will get.

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These days everyone likes to overclock so a board that has better capacitors is always advantageous.   I use an ASRock board with a 9900k and am very happy with it.  Check out youtube for many other ideas and reviews.

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Thanks, I did have a look at an ASRock. Will check it out.

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I have the same CPU with an asus rog maximus X code. I get a 30% overclock with a corsair liquid CPU cooler, turning off multi-core enhancment (MCE) in UEFI and running AI suite config with HT enabled. 32% with HT disabled (though I haven't rerun that for HT disabled since a bios update). still runs cool and quiet.
obviously other components (and luck) make a difference.

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31 minutes ago, jpf said:

same CPU with an asus rog maximus X code

Thanks, but I don't think it has PS/2 rear I/O.

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assuming a ps/2 to usb converter is no use, can I ask what you're connecting?

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1 hour ago, jpf said:

assuming a ps/2 to usb converter is no use, can I ask what you're connecting? 

That is not the point. I have built so many systems since 1996, and 9 times out of 10, when resolving an USB interface issue, such as when I delete every single USB item under USB controllers, I thank my lucky stars I still have a PS/2 keyboard and mouse to resolve USB connectivity issues, which is why I do want a PS/2 motherboard. I know all about PS/2 to USB converters.

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I know exactly what you're talking about but I haven't seen those sort of issues since PCIe took over from PCI.
in the server environment, I've always been very impressed with super-micro boards. they have always had a PS/2 fallback on board. I see now that they have moved into the enthusiast arena with a range of super-micro gaming boards. I've seen a review or two which indicate they have carried over their enterprise quality components and build into gaming. they're not the 'fastest' but I wouldn't doubt their stability.

good luck with your search.

 

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6 hours ago, vc10man said:

Have the 9th Generation Intel i7-8086k, MSI GTX 1080Ti and am contemplating a motherboard for it. I'd like to seek advice/opinions/suggestions,et al, here from fellow experienced hardware-orientated simmers

I have ruled out anything that carries the name Gigabyte, so please do not even mention it to me, please. After their diabolical support with replacing a goofed GPU, in Ca., of all places, I will not touch any of their products with a barge-pole!

Have read up on the Asus Prime Z390 9th Generation, as it has PS/2 rear connectors which is what I want. Asides from the niceties of how this or any other motherboard performs, at the end of the day, what is this motherboard's good/better features? Can the CPU be either air-cooled or water-cooled? Can it hold a good steady o/c like my current Asus Z-87-A has done with an i5-4670k o/c'd, air-cooled, for years now?

Thanks for the advice/opinions/suggestions I hope I will get.

The PS/2 port is going to limit your choices.  IMO in the z390 class the Asus boards are lackluster over clockers.  It’s a shame u had such a bad experience with Gigabyte as there z390 boards are excellent.  Very good value as well.  But I do understand where you are coming from.  I would look at AsRock.

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I'm happy with the ASUS Maximus XI Hero (running the 8086K at 5.3GHz on water).  It does have a PS/2 connector...but really, a USB-to-PS/2 adapter is like $5, so I wouldn't think twice about letting that limit my choices.

It overclocked easily, has a good, flexible BIOS, and the temps on the voltage regulators and chipset heatsinks (measured with a Fluke IR thermometer) are running fairly cool on air.

The 6/8-core CPUs with aggressive overclocks are going to load up the power delivery circuits more than the previous generations of quad cores.  The Prime is a bit of a lightweight in that department, which is why I went with the Maximus series.  There was a lot of noise and heat in the overclocking community about phase counts, but when the rubber hits the road, the board runs stable and cool at significant overclocks.

Regards

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53 minutes ago, w6kd said:

I'm happy with the ASUS Maximus XI Hero

 

Glad it's working well for you.  My third XI Hero seems to be a keeper... the first two went Tango Uniform in two weeks.  Been building systems with ASUS motherboards for 25 years, but a few weeks ago I built a 9900K based system on a ASRock Z390 Taichi that easily overclocked to 5.1 GHz on air.  Nice motherboard... well designed, solids components, OK manual, and very easy to configure once you push the GO button the first time.

Greg

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7 hours ago, mpw8679 said:

The PS/2 port is going to limit your choices.  IMO in the z390 class the Asus boards are lackluster over clockers.  It’s a shame u had such a bad experience with Gigabyte as there z390 boards are excellent.  Very good value as well.  But I do understand where you are coming from.  I would look at AsRock.

Thanks, Matt, yeah, I was reading up on an ASRock board too.

6 hours ago, w6kd said:

ASUS Maximus XI Hero

Is it a Z370 or a Z390 board, Bob?

6 hours ago, w6kd said:

USB-to-PS/2 adapter is like $5,

You missed the point I made earlier, where I have had to uninstall the USB controllers, every one of them, to resolve a USB connection problem, and without at PS/w2 keyboard or mouse, to scroll through each USB controller, I'd be floundering relying on an USB input  when my whole aim is to flush out the USB connections to the board.

6 hours ago, w6kd said:

Prime is a bit of a

Noted, Bob. Thanks

5 hours ago, lownslo said:

third XI Hero s

That vouches for it.

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I have the Prime-P although it is the Z370 version.  It's their lower end board, but got my 8700k to 5.0ghz without issue.  I only paid about £95 for it.

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1 hour ago, Charlatan said:

I have the Prime-P although it is the Z370 version.  It's their lower end board, but got my 8700k to 5.0ghz without issue.  I only paid about £95 for it.

Thanks for that, Charlatan. £95 is a steal, but moreover you managed 5.0GHz with no issues. Will bear that in mind.

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I have the Maximus X Code also. Fantastic motherboard, but no, sadly for you Rick, no PS/2. 

I'm a fan of Asus boards, I know some say they have has issues with Asus but i still have no issues with them. However.... do check out EVGA motherboards, really great motherboards and fantastic EVGA support. 

Z390 Dark is a great motherboard and does have a PS/2 port. Expensive though. 

 

https://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=131-CS-E399-KR

Asus Tuf Z390, Z390 Pro Gaming, and one or two others have PS/2 ports. 

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1 hour ago, martin-w said:

I'm a fan of Asus boards, I know some say they have has issues with Asus but i still have no issues with them.

Same here, Martin.

1 hour ago, martin-w said:

However.... do check out EVGA motherboards, really great motherboards and fantastic EVGA support. 

Heard of their graphics cards but motherboards? Never heard of it although I did see it on Scan's website

1 hour ago, martin-w said:

Z390 Dark is a great motherboard and does have a PS/2 port. Expensive though.

Thanks, I'll check it out.

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9 hours ago, vc10man said:

Is it a Z370 or a Z390 board, Bob?

You missed the point I made earlier, where I have had to uninstall the USB controllers, every one of them, to resolve a USB connection problem, and without at PS/w2 keyboard or mouse, to scroll through each USB controller, I'd be floundering relying on an USB input  when my whole aim is to flush out the USB connections to the board.

The Maximus XI Hero is a Z390 board.

No, actually, I didn't miss that...I just don't see any good reason you'd ever have to disconnect or uninstall all of the USB controllers and hubs at the same time--there are several on most modern mobos.  If one controller or hub is misbehaving, uninstalling drivers or devices on a different hub or the hub/controller itself is not going to help.  So there is always the option of moving the keyboard/mouse to a USB port served by a different controller if one of them is having trouble.  Honestly, I'm surprised that the PS/2 port hasn't gone the way of the old serial RS232 port, also in favor of USB.  But...your build, your specs.  Jusat pointing out that it's likely to be a self-limiting choice.

Regards

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23 minutes ago, w6kd said:

The Maximus XI Hero is a Z390 board.

No, actually, I didn't miss that...I just don't see any good reason you'd ever have to disconnect or uninstall all of the USB controllers and hubs at the same time--there are several on most modern mobos.  If one controller or hub is misbehaving, uninstalling drivers or devices on a different hub or the hub/controller itself is not going to help.  So there is always the option of moving the keyboard/mouse to a USB port served by a different controller if one of them is having trouble.  Honestly, I'm surprised that the PS/2 port hasn't gone the way of the old serial RS232 port, also in favor of USB.  But...your build, your specs.  Jusat pointing out that it's likely to be a self-limiting choice.

Regards

Bob, that's great news that its a Z390.

Virtually every tech site I have been to, when diagnosing a USB device driver not being able to initiate a USB device in CP, the recommended 'cure' was delete every 'Universal Serial Bus controller' in Device Manager and I have lost count of the number of times I have lost the very USB input device(e.g keyboard) I needed to sift through these controllers. So, it was back to let Windows start all over again and let it rebuild,then back to square one. Which is why I now stipulate, for me at least, it has to have PS/2 ports. Hope I make myself clear.

Not really limiting my choice as ASRock have an excellent Z390 MoBo as does Asus as does EVGA. So, I can have my cake and eat it as the parlance goes.🤣

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To be honest, it's ages since I had a board with PS/2. Never any issues.

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I understand Ricks want for PS/2.  I've just had my Corsair keyboard replaced for the 3rd time! If I'd listened to what Rick was saying, back when I needed a new mobo, I would definitely have gone for a PS/2 option.

I now have a spanking new keyboard, that (apparently) has nothing wrong with it, yet I'm forced to physically unplug and replug it every time i power off my PC.

 

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1 hour ago, Dougal said:

I understand Ricks want for PS/2.  I've just had my Corsair keyboard replaced for the 3rd time! If I'd listened to what Rick was saying, back when I needed a new mobo, I would definitely have gone for a PS/2 option.

I now have a spanking new keyboard, that (apparently) has nothing wrong with it, yet I'm forced to physically unplug and replug it every time i power off my PC.

 

 

Tried this...

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-hardware/usb-keyboard-and-mouse-not-working-unless-unplug/e41b93b8-427f-4d07-8808-1f5554780a28

I would update the Corsair keyboard software and also update the motherboards USB drivers from the motherboard manufacturers web site. 

I've had several Corsair iCue updates since I had my Corsair keyboard. No issues at all. 

 

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Thanks Martin.  Hope you're ok - long time no chat.

The USB thing is a bizarre issue for sure.  Corsair (eventually) took me through a very similar process to no avail:-(

Does your keyboard work without iCue installed?

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2 hours ago, Dougal said:

 

Does your keyboard work without iCue installed?

 

Yep, believe so. I recall I installed the software after I plugged in and used the keyboard. Cant recall for sure, but I think it was displaying a random LED multicoloured pattern, as the keyboard has on-board memory. Software required to control the LED colour of course. I assume it was using the generic USB driver initially 

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