6 minutes ago, Pete Dowson said:

I thought RC used FSUIPC to get traffic data? It doesn't matter to FSUIPC whether you use injected traffic or BGL traffic. Did you never use UTLive? i used it for a while and that is all injected.

Injected AI traffic is seen in the same way by FSUIPC and would be removed in the same way too. It may get re-injected afterwards, but I doubt it.

Apart from the following of proper routes rather than great circles, one advantage of injected traffic is that the start-up time for P3D is reduced somewhat because the BGLs don't need scanning.

Anyway, you have the option, as already stated. The new flight plans have to be specifically enabled.

Pete
 

 

55 minutes ago, ha5mvo said:

Ray,

Once spawned, AI get handled by the sims ATC regardless of whether it was injected or generated from bgl data. At least that's how it works when combining an injector such as UTLive and AIG bgt traffic.

3rd party ATC programs should function with either as they interact with the sims ATC. At least that's the case with my setup + pro-atc. I have no reason to suspect that it is any different for RC.

 

I had UTLive for a while but because it was injected interaction with RC appeared less frequent than with BGLs. RC reads the status of the aircraft and responds accordingly. So when the status changes from Sleep to Clearance you’ll hear the aircraft request clearance and RC issue it. When Ai is injected is the aircraft in ‘sleep’ mode or some other status?

6 minutes ago, Pete Dowson said:

I thought RC used FSUIPC to get traffic data? It doesn't matter to FSUIPC whether you use injected traffic or BGL traffic. Did you never use UTLive? i used it for a while and that is all injected.

Injected AI traffic is seen in the same way by FSUIPC and would be removed in the same way too. It may get re-injected afterwards, but I doubt it.

Apart from the following of proper routes rather than great circles, one advantage of injected traffic is that the start-up time for P3D is reduced somewhat because the BGLs don't need scanning.

Anyway, you have the option, as already stated. The new flight plans have to be specifically enabled.

Pete
 

It does Pete. See above regarding UT Live. Providing Ai are injected in sleep mode as they are with BGLs then it should be okay.

Yes, startup time will be greatly reduced and for now I’ll play safe and stick with what I’m used to.

Traffic Injected as ATCAircrafts (thats what AIGTC is doing with all airplanes) will follow the default traffic states like sleep, pre flight support, clearance..., post flight support, sleep and back to start.

44 minutes ago, Kaiii3 said:

Traffic Injected as ATCAircrafts (thats what AIGTC is doing with all airplanes) will follow the default traffic states like sleep, pre flight support, clearance..., post flight support, sleep and back to start.

Ray Proudfoot, could you share you current thoughts on the above?

Thanks

As it was said above, traffic is spawned according to the timetable set in the flightplan (bgl or the 3rd party injector) with some variance that stems from the logic of either the sims ATC algorithm (if its bgl) or the injecting program that decides where and in which state the AI plane should appear given the database parameter and the sims time.

This variance may be significant and cause all sorts of issues, this is where the art of optimizing the flightplans comes into play, though here I digress  from the original question.

49 minutes ago, Dirk98 said:

Ray Proudfoot, could you share you current thoughts on the above?

Thanks

It would appear to give the same results as when BGLs are used. I don’t have any of these new files yet so can’t text things. If you want to try yourself then use a new plan file for a major airline and remove all BGLs from the folder. With just that one airline running go to a major hub, load a plan into RC4 and start it.

See if you hear Clearance etc for Ai. Use AiCompanion to find flights if it can read the new files.

3 hours ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

When Ai is injected is the aircraft in ‘sleep’ mode or some other status?

It might be just entering the "bubble" in flight from elsewhere, or spawned at the gate.

3 hours ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

So when the status changes from Sleep to Clearance

With injected traffic it tends to be spawned less time before clearance than BGL traffic. But after that I think it just follows the flight plan provided when injected. It isn't the same as with the on-line RealTraffic application which is controlling the traffic all the time and therefore has no real interaction with the default ATC.

I never noticed any problem with RC during the time I used it and UTLive. 

1 hour ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

If you want to try yourself then use a new plan file for a major airline and remove all BGLs from the folder. With just that one airline running go to a major hub, load a plan into RC4 and start it.

So far I think there are only AIGFP files for the ESAI (Corporate) flights. KaiIII3 said they'll be appearing for all airlines in time, as they are updated I think -- that usually happens when there are new schedules and/or liveries, but there are version 2's and 3's as well, for some.

Mind you, I don't think any of us will want this Summer's schedules though, will we? So few flights. 😞

Pete

 

 

short explanation on how AIGTC is spawning stuff in the Sim:

AIGTC is using a much smaller Grid then the default sectors to check when an aircraft is in the Sim bubble (I am currently still trying to get both in the same size....). If TC is identdifiying that an aircraft should be in the SIm based on this secotos inbound/outbound times it will spawn it. This means there is actual no difference in the spawning logic to the default AI System. Parked aicrafts will be spawed at theier current airport, and about 5 mins before their STD TC will generate the PLN file and send the set flightplan command. After this is send the internal AI system starts with the pre flight support phase.

Hi Pete / Kaiii3,

Thank you both for your views. It sounds as though I don't need to worry about how Ai will be treated by RC. When a major airline has an AIGFP file I'll backup the equivalent BGL and test with the new one.

Pete, I haven't updated in over a month fearing schedules may have been drastically reduced.

AIG is only pushing updates for airlines that are not operating on a major reduced level.

Chris is currently focusing on bringing the GA plans to OCI.

AIG Team is currently updating some Cargo Airlines and we might try to get small regional airlines done, that are not yet in OCI.

Hello

i have a problem with a little number of planes whose after TO stay gear down and turn around over the airport at 2000ft example american 53 lkpr kphl 10 min stay over lkpr austrian 706 same csa 886 same. What is the problem 

1 hour ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

I haven't updated in over a month fearing schedules may have been drastically reduced.

That would be Summer 2020 files which probably wouldn't have been ready till next month or later anyway.

1 hour ago, Kaiii3 said:

AIG is only pushing updates for airlines that are not operating on a major reduced level.

Ah! Good. Thanks Kaiii3.

Pete

 

1 hour ago, grandfred29 said:

Hello

i have a problem with a little number of planes whose after TO stay gear down and turn around over the airport at 2000ft example american 53 lkpr kphl 10 min stay over lkpr austrian 706 same csa 886 same. What is the problem 

seems like a bug within the AI System of P3D. Do you have any other Addon controlling AI?

I use AiFlow 1.1 but when I saw something goes wrong with Ai not all the Ai I stopped the tool, but that not release the traffic so they continued to turn around over the airport

have you restarted the Sim after stopping the addon?

No because my flight was started