12 minutes ago, Shack95 said:

 

 

I second you on Kamchatka 

1 hour ago, domkle said:

 I wouldn’t call Amman a megapolis but the flight from Tel Aviv to Amman, over the Jordan valley and Jerusalem is certainly something I look very much forward to ! 

 

You're right, Amman does belong more with the old world capitals.

And yes, TLV-AMM is certainly a gorgeous routing. Reasonable length for GA, or if you're more into airline traffic this is a route operated by everything from a Q400 to the 787 IRL

I would fly to other areas of the world other than the Western U.S. if there was actually anything interesting to see.

Everywhere else is covered with lifeless and unexciting repeating scenery.

For instance, last week I flew a short trip between Brussels and Paris on a whim.

The scenery between the two points was perfectly flat and dull with nothing to see to make the trip interesting.

I have my flying area covered with addon sceneries of various types as that is the limit I'm willing to invest in time and money to build the area.

This is where the new sim can shine and give us a reason to explore our world instead of going through the motions of conducting a flight.

We are explorers at heart and exciting destinations and seeing things you've never seen before is one of the things that makes flying so interesting.

It's about discovery.

 

Edited August 26, 20196 yr by skully

1 hour ago, skully said:

I would fly to other areas of the world other than the Western U.S. if there was actually anything interesting to see.

Everywhere else is covered with lifeless and unexciting repeating scenery.

For instance, last week I flew a short trip between Brussels and Paris on a whim.

The scenery between the two points was perfectly flat and dull with nothing to see to make the trip interesting.

I have my flying area covered with addon sceneries of various types as that is the limit I'm willing to invest in time and money to build the area.

This is where the new sim can shine and give us a reason to explore our world instead of going through the motions of conducting a flight.

We are explorers at heart and exciting destinations and seeing things you've never seen before is one of the things that makes flying so interesting.

It's about discovery.

 

I agree with all you said. Unfortunately there is absolutely nothing to see between Brussels and Paris!

I've always been impressed on various around-the-world flights with pure stock scenery (in P3Dv4) how much variation there is between regional land classes and autogen.  Interesting that Kamchatka was mentioned above;  I really like the ground texture there.

A Pacific crossing via Hawaii, Midway, Wake, Guam and the Philippines had at least three obviously different land classes.  Italy is different from Greece which is different from France and eastern Europe.  Flying over Cambodia I saw odd looking white irregular geometric shapes and thought it was a bug until I looked on Google Earth.  India looked a bit odd with the same rural land class tile repeated out to the horizon in all directions, but was interesting.  Some places aren't as nice as others, others are incredibly beautiful. 

There is plenty of room for improvement and I'm looking forward to the new sim.

Hook

9 hours ago, domkle said:

The devs tend to do sceneries where their customers live with the idea that we only fly where we live.  Not true, at least for me. There are huge swaths of the globe utterly neglected. I still fly in these forgotten lands with Global+Vector+Pilot's mesh and some old LC maps but the quality could be better. The exception is Japan where there is also an excellent freeware LC Map.  A lot of airports are misplaced with roads and rivers crossing the perimeter.

One of the things I look forward to in the new sim is at last a balanced cover of the planet, with a special eye to the Philippines and Indonesian archipelagoes (EDIT with Malaysian Borneo and PNG !).

Have you your own forgotten lands you look forward too ?

 

That's really what is so fascinating about the new sim for me if it really has a global photorealistic /photogrammetry coverage.

Landclass-based scenery never satisfied me and I almost exclusively use photorealistic scenery. It has no appeal for me to discover a landclass region. When I see that even a high quality landclass product like Orbx GEN / GES in many places has little in common with reality at all I don't feel like exploring a region I do not know in reality with a landclass product because I know that it does not really look like what I see in the sim with its landclass scenery.

The result for me is that I only fly in the same few areas for which I have a nice photorealistic scenery.

 

But I would be very eager to discover other places all around the globe if I can expect the sim to really look like real worldwide (without having to buy and store Terabytes of photorealistic addon scenery).

 

2 hours ago, Noooch said:

I agree with all you said. Unfortunately there is absolutely nothing to see between Brussels and Paris!

I am sure there at least some good places to eat and maybe some trees 

If I'm never going to be flying over a region in real life, does it matter if the land class and autogen is exact?  I'm more interested in varied and interesting and hopefully attractive scenery.

Many years ago I was visiting areas of the world where people I chatted with online lived.  When I visited Greece I saw a lot of houses with blue roofs and asked my Greek friend about them, if they were accurate.  He said they were and it was typical of the islands.  How accurate does it have to be? 🙂

When flying the Cannibal Queen route, I'd read the book and fly the leg described, then read the book again.  The scenery matched what Coonts described.  This took me all over the USA.  All with pure stock scenery.

One area the stock scenery falls down is in desert areas of the southwestern US.  I will definitely be making a flight in the new sim from Las Vegas to Los Angeles to compare.  After seeing that screen shot of the Meteor Crater I'm expecting a huge improvement.

Hook

Namibia and the skeleton coast in all it’s glory.  

11 hours ago, domkle said:

The Caribbean, from the Bahamas to T&T is certainly a region which deserves better. It is still a mystery to me why OrbX hasn’t done it.

So true! It's like area 51, or maybe the Bermuda Triangle the reason all the devs stay away from the Caribbean? I mean Orbx could develop a beautiful Caribbean "True Earth", think of how the framerates wouldn't even suffer like an area such as say, London... and.. no need for 4 seasons!!!  omg. 

12 hours ago, domkle said:

The devs tend to do sceneries where their customers live with the idea that we only fly where we live.  Not true, at least for me. There are huge swaths of the globe utterly neglected. I still fly in these forgotten lands with Global+Vector+Pilot's mesh and some old LC maps but the quality could be better. The exception is Japan where there is also an excellent freeware LC Map.  A lot of airports are misplaced with roads and rivers crossing the perimeter.

One of the things I look forward to in the new sim is at last a balanced cover of the planet, with a special eye to the Philippines and Indonesian archipelagoes (EDIT with Malaysian Borneo and PNG !).

Have you your own forgotten lands you look forward too ?

 

You ask for the impossible, the world is simply to big! There will always be the forgotten lands. The majority of the 3D cities on Bing Maps comes from North America so that tells you everything. Also just getting good scenery vector and satalite data to work with will be difficult and impossible in some cases.

Having said that traditionally Microsoft Flight Simulator has at least tried to reflect POI, autogen buildings, vector and landclass data on a global scale so we'll get the best representation of the world out of the box than any previous sim that has been produced.

 

7 hours ago, dtrjones said:

You ask for the impossible, the world is simply to big!  

I do no expect photogrammetry cityscapes for the whole world. But autogen can be overlaid anywhere as it is  already now. And we do expect more varied autogen, don't we ? If OrbX can do it with its orthos (TE) and its buildings (HD buildings), I suppose the FS20 team also can.

Now the maps. They are better than you think. There is a world outside of the US which is almost as much observed as the US is. And not only Europe.

I'll take two examples, my forgotten lands, real boondocks : an oasis North of the Taklamakan desert (the silk road) in West China and  the villages north of  Palu in Sulawesi (The Celebes).  If you go there, you will be surprised by the precision of what you see. There are colorimetry issues etc. but nothing that AI cannot smoothen up.  

If the maps are not already done ? The sat/aerial map data bases  are not  dead repositories. They are accrued everyday and with better resolution maps.   If we don't get something today for the Iranian desert or Northern Mali (a beautiful region) , we'll get them tomorrow. Hopefully. 

If I've learned something from 40 years of PC flight simulation, it is that notihng is impossible. Hope that the FS20 team will not belie me.

Edited August 27, 20196 yr by domkle

 

9 hours ago, LHookins said:

 

  I am sure the LAX-LAS corridor will be much improved  as it is a widely popular region. My point is, will MS deliver for any region ? The Greek islands are a good example. As for the Caribbean, I still don't understand why we don't have a good LC or ortho scenery there with a nice autogen. I look forward to it with the new sim. 

14 hours ago, skully said:

 

It's about discovery.

 

Precisely !

PS You don't fly between Paris and Bruxelles, you take the train  😏 (1h 20 minutes, even less from CDG ) and then the landscape is not so bad. 

I look forward to see the tepuys in South America and the Eye of Africa!

Edited August 27, 20196 yr by Noooch