I think 4K will be the most common with MSFS new XBOX and 4K tv will be standard setup on game console, the PC ??? 

On 17 September 2019 at 12:07 AM, Murmur said:

Flight sims are the only dinosaurs where the current user community considers 33ms/30fps good performance.

There's an obsession with FPS which has been going on for years in the gaming community and flight sims are no different. It's rarely that relevant. What is relevant is what the graphics look like! If they look smooth, then who cares what FPS you're getting. That's what tends to set flight sims apart from other games. In an existing flight sim, 30 FPS can look smooth whereas a framerate that low in most other games would look like a slideshow.

13 hours ago, TechguyMaxC said:

The fact is that as of today, the community of active flight simmers includes close to zero kiddies with XBox controllers, i.e. the kind of people who might be likely to perform pointless aerobatics for 30 seconds and then move on to something else.

You ask others to provide evidence for their statements but you provide none for yours. Please give us your sources for no one flying aerobatics or using game controllers, otherwise it's just speculation.

13 hours ago, TechguyMaxC said:

My comments have nothing to do with a right or wrong way to use the simulator, they are only an analysis of how the sim is used by real simmers.

See my comment above. What actual data do you have to support your claims?

Well get ready for the kids gamers who spend as much if not more a year on games than some simmerers spend on addon`s, I suspect the third party dev`s would welcome them with open arms new income.

16 minutes ago, rjfry said:

Well get ready for the kids gamers who spend as much if not more a year on games than some simmerers spend on addon`s, I suspect the third party dev`s would welcome them with open arms new income.

It's a good thing for everyone.

8 hours ago, Greazer said:

Please submit your analysis work that brought you to the conclusions you argue. Let's see that.  How many hundreds of flight sim hobbyists did you interview?  

Answer: Zero, because your just like media panelists on CNN or NBC, it's all fake news Lol.

🙄 

This one's pretty easy folks.  How many sub-forums and topics are dedicated to the simulation of commercial aviation on this site?

Compare that to the number of sub-forums and topics dedicated to aerobatics.

Which one is bigger?

/end discussion

4 hours ago, vortex681 said:

There's an obsession with FPS which has been going on for years in the gaming community and flight sims are no different. It's rarely that relevant. What is relevant is what the graphics look like! If they look smooth, then who cares what FPS you're getting. That's what tends to set flight sims apart from other games. In an existing flight sim, 30 FPS can look smooth whereas a framerate that low in most other games would look like a slideshow.

You ask others to provide evidence for their statements but you provide none for yours. Please give us your sources for no one flying aerobatics or using game controllers, otherwise it's just speculation.

See my comment above. What actual data do you have to support your claims?

You clearly don't understand the concept of a debate.  I am not the one making claims, I provided a counterpoint to his claim, and suggested that if he wanted to prove his claim, that he collect and provide evidence to support it.

Get it now?

9 hours ago, FDEdev said:

The only utterly absurd thing is your (intentional?) inability to quote and/or understand what I actually wrote.

I never said that those who are using the sim for commercial aviation (which I do as well of course) are not doing actual simulation. 

I know you want to walk it back now that it's clear your hot-take back-fired, but you definitely said this, and it's being preserved for posterity: 

20 hours ago, FDEdev said:

You have clearly no idea what you are talking about. 

FYI the virtual aerobatics championship is being judged exactly the same way like real aerobatic contests (and by real judges) and it's as difficult to perform as a real one.

Flying straight and level on autopilot at FL330 for 10hrs has not much to do with FLIGHT simming.

Strange why all FS versions since 95 include aerobatic planes 😉

 

So the simulation of activities that take place onboard commercial aircraft around the globe on a daily basis is "not much to do with FLIGHT simming"?

Sure thing buddy.  

Not sure if you are serious with the very weird things you are posting, or if you are simply trolling.

It's apparently impossible to discuss anything with you due to your heavily distorted perception and the inability to understand what I wrote.

24 minutes ago, TechguyMaxC said:

🙄

This one's pretty easy folks.  How many sub-forums and topics are dedicated to the simulation of commercial aviation on this site?

Compare that to the number of sub-forums and topics dedicated to aerobatics.

Which one is bigger?

/end discussion

You clearly don't understand the concept of a debate.  I am not the one making claims, I provided a counterpoint to his claim, and suggested that if he wanted to prove his claim, that he collect and provide evidence to support it.

Get it now?

This is by no means the only flight sim community on the Internet. Furthermore, the number of forums for a particular subject is not an accurate indication of the popularity of that subject. There are no forums specifically for floatplanes, bushplanes, vintage aircraft or classic scenery, for example, but that doesn't mean that no one's interested in them.

/end discussion!

As for debates, I think you clearly don't understand the concept of them either. If you simply questioned his opinion, or asked him to provide evidence for his statement, then I'd agree with your argument. However, a debate is two-sided and when you offer opposing "facts", then you also need to be prepared to provide evidence for your comments.

Edited September 18, 20196 yr by vortex681

Just now, vortex681 said:

This is by no means the only flight sim community on the Internet. Furthermore, the number of forums for a particular subject is not an accurate indication of the popularity of a subject. There are no forums specifically for floatplanes, bushplanes, vintage aircraft or classic scenery, for example, but that doesn't mean that no one's interested in them. 

As for debates, I think you clearly don't understand the concept of them either. If you simply questioned his opinion, or asked him to provide evidence for his statement, then I'd agree with your argument. However, a debate is two-sided and when you offer opposing "facts", then you also need to be prepared to provide evidence for your comments.

Yeah right.

Like there's any chance you would admit I am correct if I post a poll and prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that almost no one cares about aerobatic flight simulation.  You've already clearly formed your opinion about the subject and have created a defense already with your "this isn't the only flight sim community" remarks.  Ever hear of a representative sample?  Probably not.

Not going to waste another second on this.

11 hours ago, Rob_Ainscough said:

Per Raymond, using new spec AMD as a core ... Microsoft claimed 8K @ 120 FPS ... I think that's probably optimistic, but even half that 8K at 60 FPS is about what two Titan RTX's cards can do now on the PC side ... so $1000 XBOX Scarlett or $4800 Titan RTX's NVLink + CPU, RAM, Case, etc.  

You can bet I'll have an XBOX Scarlett on my desk, I'll need one for development/testing anyway. MFS in 8K at 60 FPS by 2020 for $1000 + subscription ... that would be a very nice Xmas gift ... but as ever, I'm cautiously optimistic.

 Cheers, Rob.

Yeah 8K at 120 FPS will never happen on the XBOX nor PS5 for that matter. Even 30 FPS is a tall order at 8K.

It will be revised when they finally announce the consoles, as resolution up to 8K and without specifying gaming.

35 minutes ago, TechguyMaxC said:

Like there's any chance you would admit I am correct if I post a poll and prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that almost no one cares about aerobatic flight simulation.  You've already clearly formed your opinion about the subject and have created a defense already with your "this isn't the only flight sim community" remarks.  Ever hear of a representative sample?  Probably not.

How have I "clearly formed an opinion about the subject"? Show me the post where I've said that you're wrong. I've just said that if you think others need to provide proof of their comments, so do you.

I like Avsim and find many of the posts here to be useful and informative. However, as popular as it is, it's not the final arbiter when it comes to flight sim matters so you could argue that it's not the only representative sample available.

Edited September 18, 20196 yr by vortex681

OK, this is as far off the rails as we need to get. Time to move along.  Locked.