1 hour ago, Kevin_28 said:

To be fair, that was shortly after they released the trailer well before they actually started engaging the community and the devs. They took a cautious approach seeing what MSFT did with flight, etc. With all the new info that has come out, and the change of hearts from those most critical (froogle), I think it's probably safe to say PMDG is a bit more open than they previously were.

Edit: Also to be fair about ATC, PMDG also realizes that many people fly on online servers such as VATSIM, PE, etc, so it's not like the radio feature is completely useless.

That's assuming the "Radio Feature" is even implemented upon release....

 

It's entirely possible there won't be a functioning radio feature, on release, if MS hasn't even figured out how they are going to use it down the road via ATC etc...

 

I can only imagine this game online with Vatsim on Xbox...  The Xboxers would be playing smash up derby on the runways while making fart noises...LOL!

Edited October 4, 20196 yr by Kilo60

Again, why should we expect and rely on only PMDG for high quality Boeing jetliners when there could be other people who could do as good a job if not a better job on them? The only reason why they get my money is because nobody else has a competing product, and I think the community suffers as a result.

7 minutes ago, stevphfeniey said:

The only reason why they get my money is because nobody else has a competing product

Well, that's why.

I don't see the need for two high-end 747's in the marketplace because I think almost everyone will buy one or the other, and that will dilute profits to the point where it may not be worth making either one.

But I definitely see room for a PMDG 747 and some other company's 727.

 

I definitely see a need for different levels of the 'same' products.

https://www.avsim.com/forums/topic/560215-i%E2%80%99m-curious-about-how-the-marketplace-will-work/?do=findComment&comment=4066559

iFly Jets 737 and 747 are good alternatives to PMDG's offerings for the more price sensitive simmer. Additionally, Aerosoft provide a less resource heavy and value version of A32x compared to FSLabs. Yet the more expensive developers bring a whole load of extra detail.

Not to mention, competition drives innovation - shared cockpit, for instance.

Different levels, certainly. But two *high end* 747s would just hurt each other's sales.

 

3 minutes ago, eslader said:

Different levels, certainly. But two *high end* 747s would just hurt each other's sales.

 

Right, but they're 2 different companies so the money goes to different places.  I don't think anyone is suggesting PMDG should make 2 new 747s for MSFS and compete with themselves.

19 hours ago, Kilo60 said:

Let’s see how committed PMDG are to bringing heavies into MSFS when it won’t even have ATC...?

ATC is not a requirement for for PMDG or any other aircraft developer to  offer their products for MSFS.

On a more serious note nobody even knows yet if radio com frequencies will be in this sim and it’s quite possible they won’t if there’s nobody on the other end to talk with...  Which could be a big problem for VATsim users (but hey we’re getting VR!)

What? You have absolutely no idea that MS  won't include radio com frequencies in the new sim. Would seem ridiculous if there weren't as it's a basic part of aircraft functionality.

I just don’t see PMDG wasting the considerable time and effort to develop a study level heavy for this if they know they might have to go back and completely add working coms to the AC based on what MS may do regarding A/A A/G communications...  PMDG just doesn’t operate that way...

Good grief... PMDG and all other aircraft devs will do everything possible to have their product lines line available as soon as possible. That's how a business operates.

Either way I see it being several years post release before a PMDG AC may show up...  Look at XP11 and PMDG for instance.  If you look at their future development cycle it’s easy to see which sim they are “all-in” for the foreseeable future!

Wow, just wow...

.Somebody please pass the DRAMAmine..

 

2 hours ago, Kilo60 said:

That's assuming the "Radio Feature" is even implemented upon release....

 

It's entirely possible there won't be a functioning radio feature, on release, if MS hasn't even figured out how they are going to use it down the road via ATC etc...

  

I can only imagine this game online with Vatsim on Xbox...  The Xboxers would be playing smash up derby on the runways while making fart noises...LOL!

Catstrator said he managed to do radio procedures on his flight tests on the event. The G1000 and G3000 didn't had some of the features (they were still not finished, a dev explained to him) but the radios were working right. The robin was fully functional, the G1000 and G3000 were the one lacking some features, but the radios worked right on the Cessna and the TBM.

You can hear it here:
 

 

Edited October 4, 20196 yr by ca_metal

10 minutes ago, ca_metal said:

Catstrator said he managed to do radio procedures on his flight tests on the event. The G1000 and G3000 didn't had some of the features (they were still not finished, a dev explained to him) but the radios were working right. The robin was fully functional, the G1000 and G3000 were the one lacking some features, but the radios worked right on the Cessna and the TBM.

You can hear it here:
 

 

Well that’s great to hear!

Thanks for the info!

Oh please Kilo60, can't you get the big picture, if you want ATC go register for Pilot Edge or even use Vatsim or Ivao. Seriously, no software will replicate good ATC environnement ever because if you were an experience pilot you would now that nothing never goes as planned in IFR as well as VFR operation. This is pure waste of time. MSFS is a PLATFORM, it should take care of recreating the world and expose an SDK, then you plug your PMDG aircraft and you talk to a real ATC human controller, that is the only way to do it properly.

The insanity in the flightsim community is real. Some deserve to stay with Xplane or Prepar3d forever with their garbage software ATC addon, which by the way all are.

8 minutes ago, tarere said:

Oh please Kilo60, can't you get the big picture, if you want ATC go register for Pilot Edge or even use Vatsim or Ivao. Seriously, no software will replicate good ATC environnement ever because if you were an experience pilot you would now that nothing never goes as planned in IFR as well as VFR operation. This is pure waste of time. MSFS is a PLATFORM, it should take care of recreating the world and expose an SDK, then you plug your PMDG aircraft and you talk to a real ATC human controller, that is the only way to do it properly.

The insanity in the flightsim community is real. Some deserve to stay with Xplane or Prepar3d forever with their garbage software ATC addon, which by the way all are.

Hopefully the multiplayer mode will allow people to be pilots or controlers and we will have this kinda sorted out if they can create multiplayer sessions with, let's say, 500 - 1000 people connected on the same session (arbitrary number, based on the ammount of people I've seen on IVAO/VATSIM sessions).

Like that 🤣:
 

 

Edited October 4, 20196 yr by ca_metal

MS took the "magic screenshot" AKA "bullshot" to a whole different level with that commercial!

31 minutes ago, tarere said:

Oh please Kilo60, can't you get the big picture, if you want ATC go register for Pilot Edge or even use Vatsim or Ivao. Seriously, no software will replicate good ATC environnement ever because if you were an experience pilot you would now that nothing never goes as planned in IFR as well as VFR operation. This is pure waste of time. MSFS is a PLATFORM, it should take care of recreating the world and expose an SDK, then you plug your PMDG aircraft and you talk to a real ATC human controller, that is the only way to do it properly.

The insanity in the flightsim community is real. Some deserve to stay with Xplane or Prepar3d forever with their garbage software ATC addon, which by the way all are.

I did but got no controllers at any of my home airfields at the times I wanted to fly!

 

Will you volunteer to stay up in the middle of the night to be my personal controller whenever I wish to fly????

 

42 minutes ago, tarere said:

you talk to a real ATC human controller, that is the only way to do it properly.

The insanity in the flightsim community is real. Some deserve to stay with Xplane or Prepar3d forever with their garbage software ATC addon, which by the way all are.

 What an asinine attitude. Some of us want a good-enough ATC that will cover us from gate to gate and not have us landing on top of other planes. We also don't want to irritate our spouses with several hours of radio chatter. VATSIM can't do that. There are significant chunks of airspace that have no coverage. How you can claim that's realistic is beyond me.

At any rate, the idea that those of us who want offline solutions don't "deserve" a better sim is absurd.

 

Edited October 4, 20196 yr by eslader

That is because Kilo60 is so painfull to read, I quote

"On a more serious note nobody even knows yet if radio com frequencies will be in this sim and it’s quite possible they won’t if there’s nobody on the other end to talk with...  Which could be a big problem for VATsim users (but hey we’re getting VR!)

I just don’t see PMDG wasting the considerable time and effort to develop a study level heavy for this if they know they might have to go back and completely add working coms to the AC based on what MS may do regarding A/A A/G communications...  PMDG just doesn’t operate that way..."

So the dev teams tell you they are doing a proper flight simulator, they are calculating 1000 physics points for flight model, they are exposing "much more" external variables than previously with outdated FSUIPC utility, they are listinening to the community, and YET you come to whine speculalting without the shadow of a clue that they won't add a simple NAV/COM freq on MSFS which is basically a few lines of code in comparison to every other aspect ?!

Proper COMMS freq simulation is in FlightSim since Sublogic Flight Simulator 1.0 so please get some sleep.
That's just exhausting to read such limited views on software developpment.
So much whining. I give up.