6 hours ago, richfx said:

You're not funny...

Erm - yes he is

53 minutes ago, Christopher Low said:

Do we know if the NG3 for the new MFS will be the same 737-800/737-900/737-900ER combo as NGXu for P3D? I assume that this will be the case.

From PMDG directly:

WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN NG3 and NGXu?

We have confused folks a bit with naming conventions, which is understandable- so here is some clarification:

• P3Dv4 and MSFS development are two very very different animals, with very very different capabilities.
• P3Dv4 and MSFS are two different simulation platforms.
• PMDG 737NGu is the P3Dv4 generational replacement to the 8.5 year old NGX.
• PMDG 737NG3 (based upon the same work) will be the MSFS version of our replacement for NGX

To put it slightly differently, NGXu and NG3 are the same core airplane delivered on different platforms. We are branding them differently because they are different platforms, different products and will have vastly different qualities due to their target platforms.

A year from now when both are on the market simultaneously, you will thank us for giving them different names

$140 dollars for an addon is a joke

Not only they come back to an entertainement market, MSFS will have the biggest player base ever and PMDG products would even be visible in-game in the marketplace.They will have number of sales that they wouldn't even dreamed before, on an entertainement platform and yet without shame they keep raising the prices.

I have no doubt there will be competition and they will end up reducing these prices, but it's sadly going to take some time. I'm also sure the freeware community will reborn and it will also greatly impact these prices. I can't wait for the end of these 50+ dollars addon price trend that started after P3D

Based on that final sentence, it looks like the NG3 will be available close to the release date for the new MFS......

I'm pretty sure they managed to get NG3 already functionning on the tech alpha that Microsoft gave to them.They only have to create what's necessary to make use of the new air dynamics and improve graphics to take full advantage of what the new platform offers.

Edited November 9, 20196 yr by cepact

139$  is a bad joke. PMDG has clearly left the reality.

I would have made an effort for a top quality plane around 60-100$, and I think for most of the simmers, this is quite a lot. I already have their MD-11 and it was around 60$.

But I simply can't afford a 139$ plane, that's more than twice the MD-11.

If they think they can treat us like word not allowed sheep, I won't be one of them.

I might reconsider if the NG3 has features like Advanced Ground Handling, advanced personalized announcements or animated crew or copilot, but I highly doubt we will see one of those in the base pack.

1 hour ago, cepact said:

 

Is 139 USD a joke ? I don’t know the market will see to that.  Maybe Randazzo prefers to have fewer customers with a higher margin on each sale ? When I read this forum and the shameful abuse thrown at the 3PD community, I can’t blame him.

Anyway, the high prices are here to stay. Anybody having dealt with making addons knows that it gets more and more complicated, needs specializations (read : teams) and the users are now demanding a very high level of quality.  And that is good for it means wonderful toys.

Yes, there always be a crazy (in the good sense) individual putting a little marvel on the market for free. But less and less. By the way have you made any freeware yourself ? I’ve seen so often that the most vocal people, opposing freeware and payware, have never contributed on their own ?

Edit : sorry for the larger first paragraph font, the iPad played me a trick

Edited November 9, 20196 yr by domkle

They can keep it at 139. They just won't receive my money for it.
It was already atrocious and disrespectful what they did from FSX to P3D. And it's even more atrocious considering they justified it because P3D was supposely going to be the professional simulator and coudn't be used for entertainment.

And now here we are, with a 100% entertainment product coming and their addon having a +40% price increase.

The only "defense" i can give PMDG, if anything, will be if they split the NGX and the Max versions so you can get to pay 60 dollars or so for just one version. But do i really expect it to happen? Not at this time.

I suspect you will find that the base NG3 pack will be the 800/900/900ER. The 600/700/BBJ/BBJ2 and MAX will be expansion packs, so that will be over and above the $140.

It is good that I am not specially fond of sport cars because I find myself the price of Lamborghini atrocious. And being more a big car type of guy, the price that Bentley demands is just disrespectful for all the people left behind with their old jalopies. 

Edited November 9, 20196 yr by domkle

They’ve already started dropping in phrases like ‘vastly different’ to prep the market for price hiking. I am in the fortunate position to be able to afford stuff like this, but I think it’s obscene, personally, to spend that much money on something like this.

One sneaky hope I have with the new sim is that the market does grow substantially and we end up with more competition and competitively priced add-ons (as well as lots of really good free stuff), like practically every other game genre out there. 

I hope people will be smart enough to not buy the NG3 once it's released at 140 dollars. It's without a doubt that this price will reduce significantly over time. This pricing is a very bad decision by PMDG because it opens to door to easy competition, a smaller team could get a 737 at a ZIBO quality and sell it at 30 dollars and I can assure you that PMDG will lose 99% of their market. Most people don't use and don't need the complex features of PMDG aicrafts, especially I expect the new casual player base would be easily satisfied by lesser quality aircrafts

Edited November 9, 20196 yr by cepact

24 minutes ago, cepact said:

 

You just made a case for PMDG price 😁 : product differentiation, opening of a healthy competition ...

And I love when some simmers give advice to a guy who has built over 20 years one of the most successful businesses in the addon sector.

Just for the record, PMDG has built his business with high price products when there were much cheaper alternatives, some free (default 737), some almost as good (iFly for instance). Even when asking to pay several times for comparable products. Doesn’t that say something to you ? Brand recognition is not based only on prices.

That you are angry not to afford one shouldn’t muddle your judgment.

PS as I said before, I am not a PMDG customer, so no fanboyism here. Just an old simmer, glad to see such a remarkable company in my hobby.

 

Edited November 9, 20196 yr by domkle

21 minutes ago, domkle said:

You just made a case for PMDG price 😁 : product differentiation, opening of a healthy competition ...

And I love when some simmers give advice to a guy who has built over 20 years one of the most successful businesses in the addon sector.

Just for the record, PMDG has built his business with high price products when there were much cheaper alternatives, some free (default 737), some almost as good (iFly for instance). Even when asking to pay several times for comparable products. Doesn’t that say something to you ? Brand recognition is not based only on prices.

That you are angry not to afford one shouldn’t muddle your judgment.

PS as I said before, I am not a PMDG customer, so no fanboyism here. Just an old simmer, glad to see such a remarkable company in my hobby.

 

It's easy to be the most succesful when there is no serious competition, and the only time there was, as you said the iFly 737 was almost and even for some people seen as even better than PMDG at the time. The comparison to the default airplane is ridiculous.

I'm interested to know, how do you know I can't afford one ? How do you assume I'm "angry" ? So being "some simmer" I'm not allowed to criticize any succesful addon company, why is that  ? 

Your arrogance and lack of respect only shows that you're the one who is angry.

1 hour ago, Christopher Low said:

I suspect you will find that the base NG3 pack will be the 800/900/900ER. The 600/700/BBJ/BBJ2 and MAX will be expansion packs, so that will be over and above the $140.

And that’s the more important thing. It isn’t even a complete product. The expansions will rise the price. This is absolutely out of hand. 

I’m not going to be the one who pay this for a sim. Sorry. Happy for the ones who want. 

I only hope default aircrafts are good enough to be playable.