3 hours ago, Casualcas said:

Then I guess Asobo best not release this with the weather enhancements  (active sky) fully operational cockpits ( pmdg), ortho scenery (orbx) 

Technology moves on, the base product gets better, and we get more value.

Just because something 'may' be included doesn't mean it will be the best solution. Microsoft added Concorde in FS2000 but the flight model was less than realistic. I remain of the opinion that 3rd party addons are better than the default and will remain so for the forseeable future.

49 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

Just because something 'may' be included doesn't mean it will be the best solution. Microsoft added Concorde in FS2000 but the flight model was less than realistic. I remain of the opinion that 3rd party addons are better than the default and will remain so for the forseeable future.

I remain of the opinion that 200 devs can do more than any 3rd party can ever dream about...

If they intend to provide study-level planes on the base sim, they are capable of. They have the numbers, money, technical help of the plane manufacturers.

Will they do it?! I don’t know... I’m just pointing out they have the ability to do so if they really want.

All the 3rd parties we have behind this hobby are small companies. Some are professional ones with full-time devs, some just have people working on add-ons on their spare time. We can’t compare 3rd parties VS MSFS2020 team (MS + Asobo).

21 minutes ago, ca_metal said:

I remain of the opinion that 200 devs can do more than any 3rd party can ever dream about...

If they intend to provide study-level planes on the base sim, they are capable of. They have the numbers, money, technical help of the plane manufacturers.

Will they do it?! I don’t know... I’m just pointing out they have the ability to do so if they really want.

All the 3rd parties we have behind this hobby are small companies. Some are professional ones with full-time devs, some just have people working on add-ons on their spare time. We can’t compare 3rd parties VS MSFS2020 team (MS + Asobo).

Yes, they may have the expertise but what you may be overlooking is time. They don't have unlimited amounts of time and it's the bean counters that decide when the product will be released, not the techies.

A small company does not mean that they have less knowledge than giants. They excel in their area of expertise. The MFS team will go so far with an Airbus but they'll never match the level of expertise of a 3rd party company. The product would cost a great deal more if they added all that detail and the vast majority of users would never use it. I have no interest in flying Airbus preferring Boeing and others have the opposite opinion.

When it comes to Concorde which I sincerely hope with be developed by FSL no-one, absolutely no-one in the world has the knowledge of that aircraft that FSL has.

1 hour ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

Yes, they may have the expertise but what you may be overlooking is time. They don't have unlimited amounts of time and it's the bean counters that decide when the product will be released, not the techies.

A small company does not mean that they have less knowledge than giants. They excel in their area of expertise. The MFS team will go so far with an Airbus but they'll never match the level of expertise of a 3rd party company. The product would cost a great deal more if they added all that detail and the vast majority of users would never use it. I have no interest in flying Airbus preferring Boeing and others have the opposite opinion.

When it comes to Concorde which I sincerely hope with be developed by FSL no-one, absolutely no-one in the world has the knowledge of that aircraft that FSL has.

No company has unlimited ammounts of time and money, the 3rd parties also have time and money constraints (actually they have greater constraints). What I've pointed out is they (MS and Asobo) can do things way faster than any 3rd party would do as they have more resources (money, number of devs and access to technologies). 

About expertise, I wouldn't be so sure. I don't know the credentials of the devs behind the modeling of each aircraft on the new sim. They have the data/partnerships and they appear to have talented devs on their team. We will see what they can  bring to the table when the sim is released. 

About the Concorde, I don't think Asobo would be interested on developing one, as it is an aircraft just a few people would care about and they seem to be focusing on the aircrafts most people would want to fly.

39 minutes ago, ca_metal said:

No company has unlimited ammounts of time and money, the 3rd parties also have time and money constraints (actually they have greater constraints). What I've pointed out is they (MS and Asobo) can do things way faster than any 3rd party would do as they have more resources (money, number of devs and access to technologies). 

About expertise, I wouldn't be so sure. I don't know the credentials of the devs behind the modeling of each aircraft on the new sim. They have the data/partnerships and they appear to have talented devs on their team. We will see what they can  bring to the table when the sim is released. 

About the Concorde, I don't think Asobo would be interested on developing one, as it is an aircraft just a few people would care about and they seem to be focusing on the aircrafts most people would want to fly.

3rd Parties cannot develop until they have the SDK. Thereafter accuracy comes before time constraints. Always has done otherwise they waste time on bug fixes. But why would MS and Asobo develop things only a tiny minority of customers would be interested in? That’s why there’s a booming market for addons that only the enthusiasts want.

No way can MS/ASOBO develop aircraft to study level. Not economically viable. Again, only a tiny minority want that and it pushes the cost up as well as extending the development and testing time.

No way would I want a Concorde in the supplied sim. Far too specialist for them. You may be surprised how many are looking forward to a FSL Concorde. Many held back from the 32-bit version because compromises had to be made to the virtual cockpit. Those restrictions no longer apply and I believe such a beautiful aircraft would appeal to a far bigger market. Time will tell.

Edited January 5, 20206 yr by Ray Proudfoot
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17 hours ago, goates said:

the next generation Xbox is looking to be quite powerful on its own. Probably somewhere in the range of what an upper mid-range PC will be when it's released. For those that just want to fly without worrying about hardware specs, drivers etc., it could be a good choice, especially as it will only cost a few hundred dollars

Probably around $500-$600 but I get your point.

Edited January 5, 20206 yr by Brandon0110

13 hours ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

3rd Parties cannot develop until they have the SDK.

That's probably not completely true.  They can build the interior and exterior models,  But the SDK will tell them how to tag and animate parts, create gauges, etc.

6 hours ago, andyjohnston.net said:

That's probably not completely true.  They can build the interior and exterior models,  But the SDK will tell them how to tag and animate parts, create gauges, etc.

Yes but bear in mind the exterior models are already built for aircraft from FS Labs and PMDG plus many others. Just some tweaking required for those depending on what the SDK reveals.

I really hope it's a relatively easy job for them as it means they could be available far quicker than if they have to start from scratch.

8 hours ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

I really hope it's a relatively easy job for them as it means they could be available far quicker than if they have to start from scratch.

That is assuming that the compiled format for the sim is the same as in the past, which is not a safe assumption to make, especially given the ~1,000 points of active surfaces...

43 minutes ago, n4gix said:

That is assuming that the compiled format for the sim is the same as in the past, which is not a safe assumption to make, especially given the ~1,000 points of active surfaces...

I suppose it depends on how much difference multiple active surface points make to an already accurate flight model. How many can be utilised in P3D? Where would aircraft designers go for the raw information? Sounds horrendously complicated.

On 1/6/2020 at 5:16 PM, n4gix said:

That is assuming that the compiled format for the sim is the same as in the past, which is not a safe assumption to make, especially given the ~1,000 points of active surfaces...

 

On 1/6/2020 at 6:03 PM, Ray Proudfoot said:

I suppose it depends on how much difference multiple active surface points make to an already accurate flight model. How many can be utilised in P3D? Where would aircraft designers go for the raw information? Sounds horrendously complicated.

 

Worth noting that MSFS will be backwards compatible with the previous flight model so we might see developers porting over the aircraft and later updating the flight model to take advantage of the 1,000 points of active surfaces. 

Edited January 7, 20206 yr by highflyer2020

5 minutes ago, highflyer2020 said:

Worth noting that MSFS will be backwards compatible with the previous flight model so we might see developers porting over the aircraft and later updating the flight model to take advantage of the 1,000 points of active surfaces. 

It would depend on the downside of doing that. I can’t imagine it would port across ‘cleanly’.

On 1/2/2020 at 11:04 AM, Casualcas said:

Oh lord , we've stooped to dad jokes. 

Airports are so much more than traffic,  whether MS, does it, or third party. Liven it up with humans, nothing turns me off more than a fuel truck driven by nobody. Find a open random open parking spot at give me a human flagging me in. 

How many GA airports / airfields have ‘humans flagging you in’? 
I’ve been to many county airfields and small airports where there is zilch. And hardly any GA action either. 
 

Lets not get TOO excited here. Next we’ll want virtual coffee served at every FBO. 😄

Already 2020 has wiped the floor with P3D and X-plane (RIP to both) with its visuals and flight dynamics. I’m sure they have plenty more surprises they’re keeping close to their chest.