This is a video showing the activity at EDDF yesterday March 20, 2020:

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Very sad!

I think it will be quite a shock how many airlines go down because of this in a few months time and some probably still after a rather long time because they'll still be suffering and not be able to recoup the losses made.

I am wondering what they will do when operations resume. Offer deals to get people back to flying or ask for maximum fares to cover cost and losses? Same applies for the hospitality business. 

I will have to travel as soon as it is possible because I have family abroad but for leisure trips the pricing may well influence my decision, among other things like safety of locations of course. 

Never seen anything like it. My prediction is the older fleets like 747 757 767 and older 777s and more of those A380s won't be back, they will reduce capacity overall to increase the demand on travel and charge more per seat, Some airlines won't be back due to bankruptcy but the ones that do will decrease the supply to increase the demand and this is the likely scenario moving forward. 

Edited March 21, 20206 yr by Matthew Kane

just wait, some healthy buyers will come and get all this technology and hardware at an incredible low price.

12 minutes ago, Nedo68 said:

just wait, some healthy buyers will come and get all this technology and hardware at an incredible low price.

The older stuff no one will want for passenger service, When Delta operates its 757s or 767s for decades now they have the know how to keep them operating, when someone else buys them the maintenance bill will eat away at the profit margins and they operate at a loss. Best example was WestJet trying to operate used 767s from QANTAS, they lost heaps of money not having the technical know how to keep something that old in the air with no operational experience with them.

Reality if the older stuff won't be back no new customers will have the expertise to keep them flying, and A380s will be harder to fill. Only use for these older stuff will be freight conversions.

WestJet 767 are the best example why no one will want them for passengers:
https://centreforaviation.com/analysis/reports/westjets-767-operational-problems-cloud-a-significant-low-cost-long-haul-revenue-opportunity-293046

Edited March 21, 20206 yr by Matthew Kane

I watched a live feed from KATL yesterday very few flights for such a large airport.

Matthew, WestJet made a tonne of money off the 767. It was the test bed for international widebody flying. If the program wasn't successful they wouldn't have committed to the 787 fleet.

To say they didn't have the Technical know how couldn't be further from the truth. Many of the AME's at Westjet already had 767 endorsements and the ones who didn't quickly got trained and up to speed.

The issue was with the overhaul company Boeing chose to bring these aircraft back into service. AAR out of Lake Charles. The quality of workmanship coming out of that base was appalling.and it took awhile to get on top of all the issues. You fixed one thing, another thing broke.Thank god they no longer overhaul aircraft there.

After this week you wont be seeing these flying passengers other than repatriation flights. They will be cargo birds from here on out.

 

Edited March 22, 20206 yr by Garys

4 hours ago, Garys said:

Matthew, WestJet made a tonne of money off the 767. It was the test bed for international widebody flying. If the program wasn't successful they wouldn't have committed to the 787 fleet.

Have you got numbers to back that claim? It was a stop gap measure until delivery of the 787 but not lucrative, and grounded far too often for mechanical issues, It was a pain for them more then anything. If you think buying an operating a 30 year old airliner was going to be easy give your head a shake. Just because you can fill them only means you have aircraft filled with angry passengers when they don't fly

Edited March 22, 20206 yr by Matthew Kane

To the contrary do you have numbers to back up your claim? Your just reading articles which were true at the time. Once the major issues were ironed out they operated just like any other 767 with reliability close too and even better than AC. They still have reliability problems, they are old  (one of the airframes just passed 100,000 flight hours) but trust me when I say Boeing compensated WestJet nicely for the reliability and damage to the reputation.  Management where too aggressive with the schedule, it was a hard lesson learned but angry passengers are a given on any airframe regardless of the type and age however if the price is right they will come back. The 767 is always full and the loads on the 787 are strong to Europe and Hawaii all year round. WestJet are an airline that if it isn't working, they dump it and the only reason they are dumping the 767 is because they are coming up for the huge expensive checks needing new engines and landing gears and the fact they didn't replace each 767 as the 787 came online is proof.

After tonight the airport here is going to be a storage yard as well with only domestic traffic. Its very eerie to see major international airports bought to a standstill. Hopefully with fingers crossed this doesn't last long and the job losses can stop

 

Edited March 22, 20206 yr by Garys