April 14, 20206 yr 38 minutes ago, captain420 said: I'm concerned about issues such as leaking and potentially damaging all your components I had that concern back in 2015. I decided to have the system built for me just to feel secure (Microcenter store). Have not looked back. Frank Patton Corsair 5000D Airflow Case; MSI B650 Tomahawk MOB; Ryzen 7 7800 X3D CPU; ASUS RTX 4080 Super; NZXT 360mm liquid cooler; Corsair Vengeance 64GB DDR5 4800 MHz RAM; RMX850X Gold PSU;; ASUS VG289 4K 27" Display; Honeycomb Alpha & Bravo, Crosswind 3's w/dampener. Former USAF meteorologist & ground weather school instructor. AOPA Member #07379126 "I will never put my name on a product that does not have in it the best that is in me." - John Deere
April 14, 20206 yr If you are going to wait for the next generation of GPUs, you might as well wait and see what Zen 3 will bring to the table. If the IPC increase is about 10-15% as rumoured, those CPUs will be better than Intel's offerings when it comes to single-threaded and gaming performance. Comet Lake has minimal improvements over Coffee Lake, and while it can boost higher, those clocks come with the cost of insane power draw. With Zen 3 you will have two important advantages, much better power efficiency and better thermals which means you can pick a PSU with a smaller wattage and possibly eliminate the need for water cooling or a high-end air cooler (depending on your heat and noise tolerance), and PCIe 4.0 support. You will not be getting the full speed benefit of the Sabrent Rocket with the Intel platform. Also evidence suggests that Microsoft Flight Simulator is going to be a lot more GPU-bound, and as a result you might not have to go with a high-end CPU after all. But looking at your initial build concept, it appears that the build's cost is not a concern. But the overall point is, by the end of the year you can have a system performing similarly to that at a much lower cost, or one that performs much better at the same cost. Regarding the other components, it is absolutely safe to order them now as long as you make sure they are compatible. For example, a case that can fit an ATX motherboard and the storage that you're planning to buy. Edited April 14, 20206 yr by ChaoticBeauty
April 14, 20206 yr Leaks are a risk, but a very minor one with the AIO units. And last time I looked, their warranty covered damage from a leak. In my experience, the most likely mode of failure is a pump going out. All that said, an air unit will never, ever leak. Worst that could happen is a fan that stops turning. One other thing the water coolers will do for you is give you lots of clearance around the CPU for tall memory DIMMS. Most of the good high-speed RAM modules use big passive cooling packages that stick way up high. Bob Scott | President and CEO, AVSIM Inc ATP Gulfstream II-III-IV-V Sys1 (MSFS20+24/XPlane12+11): AMD 9800X3D, water 2x240mm, MSI MPG X670E Carbon, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, nVidia RTX4090FE Alienware AW3821DW 38" 21:9 GSync, 2x4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2x2TB Samsung 990 SSD, EVGA 1000P2 PSU, 12.9" iPad Pro Thrustmaster TCA Boeing Yoke, TCA Airbus Sidestick, Twin TCA Airbus Throttle quads, PFC Cirrus Pedals, Coolermaster HAF932 case Sys2 (P3Dv5/v4): i9-13900KS, water 2x360mm, ASUS Z790 Hero, 32GB GSkill 7800MHz CAS36, ASUS RTX4090 Samsung 55" JS8500 4K TV@60Hz, 3x 2TB WD SN850X 1x 4TB Crucial P3 M.2 NVME SSD, EVGA 1600T2 PSU Fiber link to Yamaha RX-V467 Home Theater Receiver, Polk/Klipsch 6" bookshelf speakers, Polk 12" subwoofer, 12.9" iPad Pro PFC yoke/throttle quad/pedals with custom Hall sensor retrofit, Thermaltake View 71 case, Stream Deck XL button box Sys3 (DCS/P3Dv4/ATS/ETS): AMD 7800X3D, MSI MPG X870E Carbon, Noctua NH-D15S, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, EVGA RTX3090 Alienware AW3420DW 34" 21:9 GSync, Corsair HX1000i PSU, 4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2TB Samsung 970Evo Plus, TM TCA Officer Pack, Saitek combat pedals, TM Warthog, TM RS300 FF wheel/pedals, Coolermaster HAF XB case
April 14, 20206 yr Author As for the i9-10990 series, seems like it's already out. I see it on amazon for $744, It's not the K model but the X. I couldn't find the K model. 10cores/20threads vs 8/16 of the 9900k. Doesn't the 10990 Comet Lake require a different socket motherboard though? I don't see any motherboards out that can fit the new comet lake 10990 cpu's. Not sure if I'll see much difference between the i9-9900k vs the 10900k version when it comes to gaming. Especially curious if I'll see any benefits with current and nextgen flight sims like P3D v5, XP11 Vulkan, and the upcoming MSFS 2020. ASUS ROG Maximus Hero XII ▪︎ Intel i9-10900K ▪︎ NVIDIA RTX 3090 FE ▪︎ 64GB Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro ▪︎ Windows 10 Pro (21H1) ▪︎ Samsung 970 EVO Pro 1TB NVME SSD (OS Drive) ▪︎ Samsung 860 EVO 2TB SATA SSD ▪︎ Seagate 4TB SATA HDD ▪︎ Corsair RMx 850W PSU
April 15, 20206 yr 16 hours ago, captain420 said: As for the i9-10990 series, seems like it's already out. I see it on amazon for $744, It's not the K model but the X. I couldn't find the K model. 10cores/20threads vs 8/16 of the 9900k. Doesn't the 10990 Comet Lake require a different socket motherboard though? I don't see any motherboards out that can fit the new comet lake 10990 cpu's. Not sure if I'll see much difference between the i9-9900k vs the 10900k version when it comes to gaming. Especially curious if I'll see any benefits with current and nextgen flight sims like P3D v5, XP11 Vulkan, and the upcoming MSFS 2020. Completely different parts. "X" SKUs are intended for the HEDT market and use different silicon than "K" SKUs. Think of these as Xeon chips for home users that need more cores than what they can get out of a typical i5/ or i7. 10900K will be better for gaming. 10900X is actually a really bad value proposition and Intel should probably eliminate it from their lineup as it's just not very competitive. A 12 core Ryzen 3900x (let alone a 16 core 3950x) are going to be as.fast or faster in just about any workload while costing significantly less in the case of the 3900x or about the same for the 3950x (while being much faster).
April 16, 20206 yr Author So while I wait for upcoming video cards and the new intel CPU, is it safe for me to order the following now: NZXT ATX Case 750w Power Supply NZXT Z72 Kraken AIO Corsair Vengeance DDR4-3200MHz-CL16 RAM I'm primarily concerned with 3 and 4 on that list. Will the Kraken Z72 AIO liquid cooler be compatible with Intel's next gen CPUs and also will the the RAM be compatible with the upcoming CPU as well or should I hold off on getting 3 & 4? ASUS ROG Maximus Hero XII ▪︎ Intel i9-10900K ▪︎ NVIDIA RTX 3090 FE ▪︎ 64GB Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro ▪︎ Windows 10 Pro (21H1) ▪︎ Samsung 970 EVO Pro 1TB NVME SSD (OS Drive) ▪︎ Samsung 860 EVO 2TB SATA SSD ▪︎ Seagate 4TB SATA HDD ▪︎ Corsair RMx 850W PSU
April 16, 20206 yr 3) Intel's upcoming LGA1200 socket is said to be the same physical dimensions as existing 115x sockets, just a higher pin count so existing cooler are expected to work. 4) this RAM is ok, though you could get more performance from either higher clock speed or lower CL - e.g. 3200 CL14 or 3600 CL16 are good choices that are widely compatible. Also you didn't list the capacity so I'm not sure if you're talking about 16, 32, 64, 128, or even 256GB RAM here, 32 is the preferred amount today by most simmers, and is more than enough for any sim scenario I've seen.
April 16, 20206 yr Author I was going to get 64GB RAM (3200MHz-CL16 Corsair Vengeance) So even if I wait for the new 10th gen intel motherboards with Z490/LG1200, It will be backward compatible with the memory I plan on getting? ASUS ROG Maximus Hero XII ▪︎ Intel i9-10900K ▪︎ NVIDIA RTX 3090 FE ▪︎ 64GB Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro ▪︎ Windows 10 Pro (21H1) ▪︎ Samsung 970 EVO Pro 1TB NVME SSD (OS Drive) ▪︎ Samsung 860 EVO 2TB SATA SSD ▪︎ Seagate 4TB SATA HDD ▪︎ Corsair RMx 850W PSU
April 20, 20206 yr On 4/16/2020 at 11:10 AM, captain420 said: I was going to get 64GB RAM (3200MHz-CL16 Corsair Vengeance) So even if I wait for the new 10th gen intel motherboards with Z490/LG1200, It will be backward compatible with the memory I plan on getting? Should be. DDR5 exists only on paper at this point so any DDR4 you buy today will likely work with tomorrow's chipsets. Edited April 20, 20206 yr by TechguyMaxC
April 20, 20206 yr 4 hours ago, TechguyMaxC said: Should be. DDR5 exists only on paper at this point so any DDR4 you buy today will likely work with tomorrow's chipsets. the mems is ok, cpu " little stronger mem controller clock probaly same as a very good KS ," time will tell , cryptic yes , ha ha http://
April 20, 20206 yr 5 minutes ago, westman said: the mems is ok, cpu " little stronger mem controller clock probaly same as a very good KS ," time will tell , cryptic yes , ha ha That's encouraging, good to hear from you Hasse.
April 20, 20206 yr On 4/16/2020 at 11:10 AM, captain420 said: I was going to get 64GB RAM (3200MHz-CL16 Corsair Vengeance) So even if I wait for the new 10th gen intel motherboards with Z490/LG1200, It will be backward compatible with the memory I plan on getting? If it were me -- if I were waiting as you seem to be -- I would wait on the memory, too. I like to plan out my cpu, motherboard/chipset and mem sticks all at once. The last thing you want to do is buy memory that is great now, but 6 months from now there is a better option. Rhett 7800X3D ♣ 96 GB G.Skill Flare ♣ Gigabyte 4090 ♣ Crucial P5 Plus 2TB
April 20, 20206 yr Author 8 minutes ago, Mace said: If it were me -- if I were waiting as you seem to be -- I would wait on the memory, too. I like to plan out my cpu, motherboard/chipset and mem sticks all at once. The last thing you want to do is buy memory that is great now, but 6 months from now there is a better option. Mace, that is good advice and makes a lot of sense. I appreciate that! Would it be safe to get the AIO liquid cooler first while I wait for the others? Edited April 20, 20206 yr by captain420 ASUS ROG Maximus Hero XII ▪︎ Intel i9-10900K ▪︎ NVIDIA RTX 3090 FE ▪︎ 64GB Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro ▪︎ Windows 10 Pro (21H1) ▪︎ Samsung 970 EVO Pro 1TB NVME SSD (OS Drive) ▪︎ Samsung 860 EVO 2TB SATA SSD ▪︎ Seagate 4TB SATA HDD ▪︎ Corsair RMx 850W PSU
April 21, 20206 yr 46 minutes ago, captain420 said: Mace, that is good advice and makes a lot of sense. I appreciate that! Would it be safe to get the AIO liquid cooler first while I wait for the others? As long as you are sure what socket size your cpu will be. I think I'd wait on that too, again, if you are waiting for the new nvidia gpus, the 10-series intel cpu's, and the AMD Zen or whatever is coming this year. Incidentally my flight sim machines have been water cooled since about 2008 and I haven't had any issues with leakage, in any of them. Even so, at work I have built some mission-critical machines that are all air cooled, mainly because they don't run any overclock (not that air can't do some good overclocks) but the main reason is that I just want to stick the fan in there and be done with it. At work I do not have time to monitor those machines hardware, set up radiators, etc. and just need them to do their thing day-in-day-out. Whereas on my personal flight sim machines -- they are a labor of love -- so I spend more time doting on them, and their water setups, not that I have had any issues with them, either. I have a NZXT case too, powering my P3D rig. An S340 Elite in white. If I could mention one thing about cases -- the S340 Elite is good looking, but it's not the easiest for getting in there and fiddling around. Take that into consideration when you pick your case, depending on what your needs are with the machine -- I've never found the best case balance between utility/accessibility vs. aesthetics and if any of you come across one, let me know :) Rhett 7800X3D ♣ 96 GB G.Skill Flare ♣ Gigabyte 4090 ♣ Crucial P5 Plus 2TB
April 21, 20206 yr Author Nice, yes I am also a big fan of NZXT. I am getting the H710i in white/black. It looks very minimal and I love how clean it looks. It's bigger than my curious case, which should give me more room to work with. It's going to be a beautiful build that I will definitely want to be the centerpiece on my desk. ASUS ROG Maximus Hero XII ▪︎ Intel i9-10900K ▪︎ NVIDIA RTX 3090 FE ▪︎ 64GB Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro ▪︎ Windows 10 Pro (21H1) ▪︎ Samsung 970 EVO Pro 1TB NVME SSD (OS Drive) ▪︎ Samsung 860 EVO 2TB SATA SSD ▪︎ Seagate 4TB SATA HDD ▪︎ Corsair RMx 850W PSU
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